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Apparently all kinds of people can kill lions:
Random guy
Hot chicks
Little babies
Dentists
Fat people
I think it'll be fun.
Are Lions and Cheetahs not indigenous to India?
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Whaaaaat. You are the one doing Off topic on this thread. There is another thread for it you know.
To be honest at one point I actually thought you were a spambot.
lol again, no...I could bring in over a 100 accounts of lions killing tigers...but sticked to refutes on what specifically Thapar was saying...I'm not gona turn it into a L vs T, just covered the basics on what Valmik thapar said, did you even read Valmik thapars book? I'm guessing thats a big fat...NoExactly.
First he says in post #70:
Then a couple of posts later he starts his lion Vs. Tiger spamming BS
So what are you ranting about?
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And this is the best tiger. Its a wonder why Bose didn't make the AZF flag feature a LION. He got an alma meter in CAMBRIDGE.Yeah, right.
Seriously dude stop this BS and admit it Tigers are the best.
And stop giving blogs as source links.
surely netaji who went to CAMBRIDGE would have known better than to put a bakwas tiger on the battle flag as apposed to a glorious lion which was the national animal of the Empire. Like why such a garbage creature associated with Bharat Ma as apposed to a glorious Aryan looking symbol of the Raj
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Good for you....................Yeah I didn't read that coz everybody knows Tigers rule and lions suck.
I just pissed my pantsApparently all kinds of people can kill lions:
Random guy
Hot chicks
Little babies
Dentists
Fat people
I think it'll be fun.
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Lions follow the mega fauna...theres elephants in india hence there would be lions there too:
A lone lion who killed a pretty big elephant:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22this+male+killed+this+elephant+entirely+on+its+own%22&cad=h
All the art that hails from india shows things as lions in the wildreness...not as thapar claims, in cann hunts barricaded fences:
An the asian artifacts show the same all the way to china:
Qing dynasty 16th century:
http://www.cang.com/trade/show-5850966-2.html
A lone lion who killed a pretty big elephant:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22this+male+killed+this+elephant+entirely+on+its+own%22&cad=h
All the art that hails from india shows things as lions in the wildreness...not as thapar claims, in cann hunts barricaded fences:
An the asian artifacts show the same all the way to china:
Qing dynasty 16th century:
http://www.cang.com/trade/show-5850966-2.html
Example of the tigers neck not protected:Leave Valmik thapar he obsessed with Tigers,he want to call India as 'Tiger country' only as a great Tiger lover&conservationist.But recent govt. decision to change(just thought process) India's national animal as Lion like before (till 1980 lion was India's National Animal) hurt-ed him.May be this is the reason he became Anti-Lion and added conspiracy theory.
Anyway DNA results shows Asiatic lions are totally different(and separated many million years ago) species.As far as Bengal tiger Vs Asiatic/African...... 1 T Vs 3 L still T wins.
Heres two cases where a single small dog killed tigers:
Against everyone's expectations, it furiously sprang at the tiger's throat, and would not let go its hold, though torn by the nails of the infuriated beast, and finally both died
https://www.google.com/#tbm=bks&q=%2...d%2C%22+killed
Once Hideyoshi gave a live dog to his pet tiger as a treat; buf the animal, realizing the situation before the tiger did, seized the tiger by the throat and choked it to death before it could defend itself, though the dog too died from its wounds.
https://www.google.com/#tbm=bks&q=%2...its+wounds.%22
Again, its pretty sad how you all wish so much genocide for tigers in ranthambore, and near by paces to lions in gujarat. Where the lion is steadily having his powers return, you think that tigers can kill three lions, when they can hardly manage 3 wild dogs, even one is enough to have killed a tiger.
In that case, lions would make the suitable mega fauna balance, since they are the only ones that kill big game regularly, one or two big game from tigers doesnt balance out anything.
..Lionesses generally prey on ungulates, comfortably taking down those sized between 50-300 kg.
..But male lions are also very good hunters,..They also take more risks in hunting and occasionally prey on much larger
animals. They can fiercely take down bull buffaloes, giraffes and even hippo.
http://globalsojourns.com/imagedump/Web_Articles/Articles_All_Africa/African_Lion.pdf
sorry, but you nasing scavanging rates out of thin air, this chart shows they hunt more than they scavange:
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/Percentageofscavenging.jpg
the males kill more buffalo than the females:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5098/5541641483_f30058bc2b_b.jpg
..In Contrast to that of the lion, the tigers habitat is typically closed, containsrelatively fewer and smaller prey
..90% of tiger kills were found in riverine forest/grasslands..Most of the prey killed by tigers weigh 50-100 kg,
http://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/zoology/pdf_hi/sctz-0336.pdf
lol Too bad all the things saty calls the lion like scavengers are just mythos, they hunt more than they scavange...awww, is there where you bring in more of your fake laugh icons? Pft, again sad that you all want the tiger to be ripped limb from limb by lions...the asiatic lions prowess and power is slowly returning, do you think tigers will be able to handle this type of heavy competition:
But of course, you dont care, because tigers can kill a hundred lions in just a few weeks because they use an extra paw for fighting and that they are 50 kg heavier...never mind what the scientist say their sizes are lol...poor tiger, not even the tiger fans care for his safety, welfare and well being, they wish instant death upon him...for shame.
Yet again you let the two british haters troll anything I post.
How can something on point be random, and yeah....saying britshits is logical, twisting sites and lieing is logical...denying science and making up your own statistics is logical lol
Facts to you people rely nothing on the truth, facts is what ever you want it to be.
Sure he does:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36072
Where? In your dreams?
Nah, you made up your mind with your bias rants, allowing trolls, liars and fact twisters to hound the thread and contradicted your self that you cre for some kind of logical, truthful an concise debate, when all you wanna do is abuse your mod ship so you can play expert and act as if you know what you're talking about...like your troll friends said....admit it already, the tiger is a god, an lions dont amount up to anything....Pah ha ha....so go back to derailing the thread, blaming anything on british...an propagating your ill bias.
Aha ha ha ha ha, yet thats why lions can kill 900 pound bears, a weight tigers have never reached in the wild:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3889729
http://sanjaygubbi.blogspot.com/2013/06/exotic-aliens-lion-and-cheetah-in-india.html
lol
Cheetah with hyena:
Indias mega predators aint got nothing compared to africas:
It is only the tiger who could never handle the rough and toughness of africas competition, hence he is the only big cat connected through the middle east that never breached the african border.
If cheetahs chose open lands, then how are the tigers suppose to get at them? Leopards live in africa too, along with wild dogs. Contradict much? Tigers are too chicken to venture into open lands, because it runs the risk of being killed by the mighty 40 lb d'hole, yet cheetahs co-exist with the puny 200 lb spotted hyena who roles in only small clans of upto 50+...yet they were never killed off entirely....whaw tiger fans, always making things up.
Maybe tiger numbers are so low, its not because of the poachers, its because tigers get killed more times from wild boars and crocodiles:
Female boar kills full grown male bengal tiger:
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19130706.2.141.19
another tiger killed by a boar:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH18890223.2.52.10
wild boar kills tiger, and croc kills tiger
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn87093407/1914-02-03/ed-1/seq-3.pdf
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Aha ha ha ha ha, yet thats why lions can kill 900 pound bears, a weight tigers have never reached in the wild:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3889729
http://sanjaygubbi.blogspot.com/2013/06/exotic-aliens-lion-and-cheetah-in-india.html
lol
Cheetah with hyena:
Indias mega predators aint got nothing compared to africas:
It is only the tiger who could never handle the rough and toughness of africas competition, hence he is the only big cat connected through the middle east that never breached the african border.
If cheetahs chose open lands, then how are the tigers suppose to get at them? Leopards live in africa too, along with wild dogs. Contradict much? Tigers are too chicken to venture into open lands, because it runs the risk of being killed by the mighty 40 lb d'hole, yet cheetahs co-exist with the puny 200 lb spotted hyena who roles in only small clans of upto 50+...yet they were never killed off entirely....whaw tiger fans, always making things up.
Maybe tiger numbers are so low, its not because of the poachers, its because tigers get killed more times from wild boars and crocodiles:
Female boar kills full grown male bengal tiger:
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19130706.2.141.19
another tiger killed by a boar:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH18890223.2.52.10
wild boar kills tiger, and croc kills tiger
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn87093407/1914-02-03/ed-1/seq-3.pdf
lol.........................................................You forget yourself sir
HISTORICAL CONSENSES
12th century
ENGLAND
King Henry the 3rd:
The Tower of London contained a zoo which housed a menagerie of wild animals, many of which were gifts presented to Henry lll by foreign monarchs Founded by King John in the early thirteeth century, the royal zoo existed for over 600 years. In 1235 the holy Roman emperor, frederick 2, reutedly presented the King with the castles first lions to honor his mirrage to Henrys sister, Isabella, and quite possibly to symbolically agknowledge the power of the King himself. In 1277 Edward the 1st, built the so-called lion tower, a semi circular structure which housed the great cats. Interestingly, in 2005 archaeologists discovered the skulls of three medieval cats, two lions and a leopard, in the moat; the oldest skull has been dated to between 1280 and 1385. In early 2008, scientist from the natrual history museum in london used DNA analysis to determine that two of the skulls were male barbary lions, which came from North africa. Edward's lion tower probably stood along side the moat at this point.
http://books.google.com/books?id=p_...a=X&ei=o5ZtUqX6D8n9iwK7ooHACA&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=ma...a=X&ei=37chUfmFBsS6iwLelYHQBA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
Now to implement, the tiger on the rock makes alot of sense, for we have records of modern accounts of this portraying the same thing.
Athenian heroes fought with Spartan there,
For ocean's empire, and both reap'd despair
So, while two tigers struggle for a prey,
The mightier lion bears the spoil away.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zP...a=X&ei=H5mBUoisJ4eniAKBjYG4Aw&ved=0CB0Q6AEwBQ
(15th century)
Edmund Spenser:
Are met at spoiling of some hungry prey,
Both challenge it with equal greediness:
But first the Tiger claws there on did lay;
And therefore loth to loose her right away,
Doth in defence there of full stoutly stond:
To which the Lion strongly doth gainsay,
That she to hunt the beast first took in hond;
And therefore ought it have, wherever she it fond.
http://books.google.com/books?id=dj...a=X&ei=w9whUZ3cOomEiwLE2IHwDg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAQ
(16th century)
Allen ramsey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Ramsay_(poet)
The savage tiger feels the potent flame: The grim majestic lion growls his love To the resounding forest.—Wilder thou Than nature's wildest race, spurn'st at that power To which all nature bows.—But why of these, Of the grim lion, or the spotted lynx, Or wily serpent ?—these have sense and feeling. Even trees inanimate confess the god: See how the vine clings with a fond embrace; The mountain fir, the pine, the elm, the beech, Have each their favour'd mate: they burn, they sigh, &c
http://books.google.com/books?id=A1...a=X&ei=jcshUZiDJrDXiAK18YDQAg&ved=0CF4Q6AEwCQ
(17th century)
Gotthold ephraim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthold_Ephraim_Lessing
~The Monthly Christian Spectator. 1851-1859
Lion kills a tiger by bite-ing him in the throat…
http://books.google.com/books?id=Cy...a=X&ei=tqQqUZPZDKediQKKg4DoBg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBA
17th -18th century
Alexander Wilson:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Wilson
The shaggy lion rushes to the place,
With roar tremendous seizes on his prey.
Exasp'rate see 1 the tiger springs away.
Stops short and maddens at the monarch's growl;
And through his eyes darts all his furious soul.
Half willed, yet half afraid to dare a bound.
He eyes his loss, and roars, and tears the ground.
http://books.google.com/books?id=V5...&sa=X&ei=BMIhUbytNInIiwKkzIAw&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA
Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller:
Occupation: German poet, philosopher, historian, and playwright.
The holy Roman empire and Schiller
http://books.google.com/books?id=qD...a=X&ei=Mhl-UqHMBKLhiALtioCoDQ&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAg
(18th century)
Robert Southey:
http://www.nndb.com/people/949/000095664/
Guardant before his feet a Lion lay,
The Saxon Lion, terrible of yore.
Who in his wither'd limbs and lean decay,
The marks of long and cruel bondage bore j
But broken now beside him lay the chain,
Which gall'd and fretted late his neck and mane.
A T.ion too was couch'd before the Bride;
That noble Beast had never felt the chain; Strong were his sinewy limbs and smooth his hide,
And o'er his shoulders broad the affluent mane Disbevell'd hung; beneath his feet were laid
Torn flags of France whereon his bed he made.
Full different were those Lions twain in plight.
Yet were they of one brood; and side by side
Of old, the Gallic Tiger in his might
They many a time had met, and quell'd his pride,
And made the treacherous spoiler from their Ire
Cowering and crippled to his den retire.
http://books.google.com/books?id=cT...a=X&ei=wL0hUeeHJsm2igKCk4CIAQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
7 year captive Lion fights 2 tigers in the tower of london
http://www.historytoday.com/sites/default/files/rb_fight.jpg
A asiatic (Indian) lion cub and his sister were a present to George IV from General Watson.
http://www.hrp.org.uk/MediaPlayer/ViewPlaylist.aspx?PlaylistId=123
An accidental but tremendous conflict took place in December, 1830, between a tiger and tigress, and a lion, in the menagerie of the Tower of London. While one of the under keepers was in the act of cleaning the dens in the menagerie, he unguardedly raised a door in the upper tier of cages, by which the lion and tigers were separated. No sooner did the animals see each other, than their eyes glared furiously. The lion erected his mane, and, uttering a tremendous roar, bounded on the male tiger, who seemed as eager for the conflict as his adversary; and he was seconded in the attack by the female. The conflict now became tremendous, and the roaring of the combatants resounded through every part of the Tower, and was even heard in Tower Hill, and the adjoining streets. The other animals of the menagerie became variously excited by the horrid sounds. The beasts of prey evinced strong combative feelings, and joined their voices in fearful yellings, making every effort to get out of their confinement; while the more timid creatures shrieked with terror, and vainly endeavoured to conceal themselves in some remote corners of their cells.
of him, and by this conjunction of strength, the poor lion was fairly pinned against the bars, and his action greatly diminished. Still, however, this did not damp his courage, for he redoubled his roar of fury, while, at the same time, he uttered yells of distress. The keepers now appeared with rods of iron heated red at the ends, and applied them to the mouths and nostrils of the furious tigers, which forced them to quit their hold of the prostrate king of the forest. But as soon as they were separated, the lion and tiger again united in conflict, and seizing each other, the one by the upper, and the other by the under jaw, they tore one another with a more deadly and terrible fury than before. The red hot bars were again applied to their nostrils, but so keen were they in the contest, that it was with much difficulty they were again separated. The lion was then forced to his den by following him with the hot iron, when the doors were immediately shut upon him. The lion had the worst of it; but this is not to be wondered at, as he had two animals to contend with, which had been little more than twelve months from their native forests. The tiger, however, lost one of his canine teeth in the last bout. This terrible battle lasted upwards of half an hour.
http://books.google.com/books?id=5A...a=X&ei=zEgTUeXOAaf8iQKSioHoAg&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
~1874 WILD BEAST FIGHT SCOURGE VATICAN COUNCIL KAULBACH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Cowley
Slaughter shall wear out these, new weapons get, And death in triumph on thy darts shall sit. When Judah's lion starts up to his prey. The beasts shall hang their ears, and <jreep away; When he lies down, the woods shall silence keep, And dreadful tigers tremble at his sleep.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=y...5PaoASux4DYAQ&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Heber
Of the feline tribe, the lion claims the first place. He is considered as the lord of the brute creation; and his whole appearance, the flowing and shaggy mane, the ample forehead, the kindling eye, and the muscular strength and compactness of the whole frame, so powerfully armed by nature for the purposes of destruction, concur to give an idea of majesty and power, which is further strengthened by the boldness and courage with which, instead of seeking a dastardly retreat in the forest or the jungle, he rushes forth to confront his enemies in the open plain, where he is generally shot by the hunters. But, in the event of his being only wounded, he is extremely formidable, from his vast strength and fierceness, and the immense weight of his body, especially towards the head, and the power of his tremendous claws.1 The lion is not nearly so common in Asia as in Africa, and is only found in the northern provinces of Hindustan.2 The tiger is the more common animal of India, abounding in all the forests and jungles, from the mouth of the Ganges to the Himalaya Mountains. He is not quite equal in strength to the lion, though superior in activity; and his undulating movements have more of ease, grace, and bounding elasticity; whilst his bright-yellow, tawny coloured skin,
http://books.google.com/books?id=...8f8oAS4koCoAQ&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA
The lion, we should submit, when compared with the tiger, is a noble animal; he possesses more confidence, and more real courage; he likewise differs in his permanent attachment to his mate, and protection of his young; while the tiger shows no partiality beyond the period of heat in the female, and is himself frequently the first and greatest enemy to his own offspring.
http://books.google.com/books?id=xe...X&ei=cJOgUIiFH-32igKS94HAAw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAzgo
Through out all the century's of europe lions were present there, either gifts to english by greeks, romans, italians ect, the lion was there since ancient greek way before BC times. Valmik is either ignorant or bias. The lions emblem and heraldry derives from watching his attitude towards other beast of old... like tigers, they always saw the lion dominate the tiger in cages, menageries and or arranged fights, hence they chose the lion as their monarchy animal, why would they choose the tiger who usually runs in a fight from a lion, is killed more often by the lion, is more cowardly and less noble?
They wanted a animal that resembles power, strength and unity, hence tiger have less, little or none of those qualitys compared to the lion. So again, thapar saying lions in euorpes history are more of mythological is wrong, these were real live lions they saw in each century.
12th century
ENGLAND
King Henry the 3rd:
The Tower of London contained a zoo which housed a menagerie of wild animals, many of which were gifts presented to Henry lll by foreign monarchs Founded by King John in the early thirteeth century, the royal zoo existed for over 600 years. In 1235 the holy Roman emperor, frederick 2, reutedly presented the King with the castles first lions to honor his mirrage to Henrys sister, Isabella, and quite possibly to symbolically agknowledge the power of the King himself. In 1277 Edward the 1st, built the so-called lion tower, a semi circular structure which housed the great cats. Interestingly, in 2005 archaeologists discovered the skulls of three medieval cats, two lions and a leopard, in the moat; the oldest skull has been dated to between 1280 and 1385. In early 2008, scientist from the natrual history museum in london used DNA analysis to determine that two of the skulls were male barbary lions, which came from North africa. Edward's lion tower probably stood along side the moat at this point.
http://books.google.com/books?id=p_...a=X&ei=o5ZtUqX6D8n9iwK7ooHACA&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=ma...a=X&ei=37chUfmFBsS6iwLelYHQBA&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
Now to implement, the tiger on the rock makes alot of sense, for we have records of modern accounts of this portraying the same thing.
Athenian heroes fought with Spartan there,
For ocean's empire, and both reap'd despair
So, while two tigers struggle for a prey,
The mightier lion bears the spoil away.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zP...a=X&ei=H5mBUoisJ4eniAKBjYG4Aw&ved=0CB0Q6AEwBQ
(15th century)
Edmund Spenser:
Are met at spoiling of some hungry prey,
Both challenge it with equal greediness:
But first the Tiger claws there on did lay;
And therefore loth to loose her right away,
Doth in defence there of full stoutly stond:
To which the Lion strongly doth gainsay,
That she to hunt the beast first took in hond;
And therefore ought it have, wherever she it fond.
http://books.google.com/books?id=dj...a=X&ei=w9whUZ3cOomEiwLE2IHwDg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAQ
(16th century)
Allen ramsey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Ramsay_(poet)
The savage tiger feels the potent flame: The grim majestic lion growls his love To the resounding forest.—Wilder thou Than nature's wildest race, spurn'st at that power To which all nature bows.—But why of these, Of the grim lion, or the spotted lynx, Or wily serpent ?—these have sense and feeling. Even trees inanimate confess the god: See how the vine clings with a fond embrace; The mountain fir, the pine, the elm, the beech, Have each their favour'd mate: they burn, they sigh, &c
http://books.google.com/books?id=A1...a=X&ei=jcshUZiDJrDXiAK18YDQAg&ved=0CF4Q6AEwCQ
(17th century)
Gotthold ephraim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthold_Ephraim_Lessing
~The Monthly Christian Spectator. 1851-1859
Lion kills a tiger by bite-ing him in the throat…
http://books.google.com/books?id=Cy...a=X&ei=tqQqUZPZDKediQKKg4DoBg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBA
17th -18th century
Alexander Wilson:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Wilson
The shaggy lion rushes to the place,
With roar tremendous seizes on his prey.
Exasp'rate see 1 the tiger springs away.
Stops short and maddens at the monarch's growl;
And through his eyes darts all his furious soul.
Half willed, yet half afraid to dare a bound.
He eyes his loss, and roars, and tears the ground.
http://books.google.com/books?id=V5...&sa=X&ei=BMIhUbytNInIiwKkzIAw&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA
Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller:
Occupation: German poet, philosopher, historian, and playwright.
The holy Roman empire and Schiller
http://books.google.com/books?id=qD...a=X&ei=Mhl-UqHMBKLhiALtioCoDQ&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAg
(18th century)
Robert Southey:
http://www.nndb.com/people/949/000095664/
Guardant before his feet a Lion lay,
The Saxon Lion, terrible of yore.
Who in his wither'd limbs and lean decay,
The marks of long and cruel bondage bore j
But broken now beside him lay the chain,
Which gall'd and fretted late his neck and mane.
A T.ion too was couch'd before the Bride;
That noble Beast had never felt the chain; Strong were his sinewy limbs and smooth his hide,
And o'er his shoulders broad the affluent mane Disbevell'd hung; beneath his feet were laid
Torn flags of France whereon his bed he made.
Full different were those Lions twain in plight.
Yet were they of one brood; and side by side
Of old, the Gallic Tiger in his might
They many a time had met, and quell'd his pride,
And made the treacherous spoiler from their Ire
Cowering and crippled to his den retire.
http://books.google.com/books?id=cT...a=X&ei=wL0hUeeHJsm2igKCk4CIAQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA
7 year captive Lion fights 2 tigers in the tower of london
http://www.historytoday.com/sites/default/files/rb_fight.jpg
A asiatic (Indian) lion cub and his sister were a present to George IV from General Watson.
http://www.hrp.org.uk/MediaPlayer/ViewPlaylist.aspx?PlaylistId=123
An accidental but tremendous conflict took place in December, 1830, between a tiger and tigress, and a lion, in the menagerie of the Tower of London. While one of the under keepers was in the act of cleaning the dens in the menagerie, he unguardedly raised a door in the upper tier of cages, by which the lion and tigers were separated. No sooner did the animals see each other, than their eyes glared furiously. The lion erected his mane, and, uttering a tremendous roar, bounded on the male tiger, who seemed as eager for the conflict as his adversary; and he was seconded in the attack by the female. The conflict now became tremendous, and the roaring of the combatants resounded through every part of the Tower, and was even heard in Tower Hill, and the adjoining streets. The other animals of the menagerie became variously excited by the horrid sounds. The beasts of prey evinced strong combative feelings, and joined their voices in fearful yellings, making every effort to get out of their confinement; while the more timid creatures shrieked with terror, and vainly endeavoured to conceal themselves in some remote corners of their cells.
of him, and by this conjunction of strength, the poor lion was fairly pinned against the bars, and his action greatly diminished. Still, however, this did not damp his courage, for he redoubled his roar of fury, while, at the same time, he uttered yells of distress. The keepers now appeared with rods of iron heated red at the ends, and applied them to the mouths and nostrils of the furious tigers, which forced them to quit their hold of the prostrate king of the forest. But as soon as they were separated, the lion and tiger again united in conflict, and seizing each other, the one by the upper, and the other by the under jaw, they tore one another with a more deadly and terrible fury than before. The red hot bars were again applied to their nostrils, but so keen were they in the contest, that it was with much difficulty they were again separated. The lion was then forced to his den by following him with the hot iron, when the doors were immediately shut upon him. The lion had the worst of it; but this is not to be wondered at, as he had two animals to contend with, which had been little more than twelve months from their native forests. The tiger, however, lost one of his canine teeth in the last bout. This terrible battle lasted upwards of half an hour.
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~1874 WILD BEAST FIGHT SCOURGE VATICAN COUNCIL KAULBACH
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Slaughter shall wear out these, new weapons get, And death in triumph on thy darts shall sit. When Judah's lion starts up to his prey. The beasts shall hang their ears, and <jreep away; When he lies down, the woods shall silence keep, And dreadful tigers tremble at his sleep.
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Of the feline tribe, the lion claims the first place. He is considered as the lord of the brute creation; and his whole appearance, the flowing and shaggy mane, the ample forehead, the kindling eye, and the muscular strength and compactness of the whole frame, so powerfully armed by nature for the purposes of destruction, concur to give an idea of majesty and power, which is further strengthened by the boldness and courage with which, instead of seeking a dastardly retreat in the forest or the jungle, he rushes forth to confront his enemies in the open plain, where he is generally shot by the hunters. But, in the event of his being only wounded, he is extremely formidable, from his vast strength and fierceness, and the immense weight of his body, especially towards the head, and the power of his tremendous claws.1 The lion is not nearly so common in Asia as in Africa, and is only found in the northern provinces of Hindustan.2 The tiger is the more common animal of India, abounding in all the forests and jungles, from the mouth of the Ganges to the Himalaya Mountains. He is not quite equal in strength to the lion, though superior in activity; and his undulating movements have more of ease, grace, and bounding elasticity; whilst his bright-yellow, tawny coloured skin,
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The lion, we should submit, when compared with the tiger, is a noble animal; he possesses more confidence, and more real courage; he likewise differs in his permanent attachment to his mate, and protection of his young; while the tiger shows no partiality beyond the period of heat in the female, and is himself frequently the first and greatest enemy to his own offspring.
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Through out all the century's of europe lions were present there, either gifts to english by greeks, romans, italians ect, the lion was there since ancient greek way before BC times. Valmik is either ignorant or bias. The lions emblem and heraldry derives from watching his attitude towards other beast of old... like tigers, they always saw the lion dominate the tiger in cages, menageries and or arranged fights, hence they chose the lion as their monarchy animal, why would they choose the tiger who usually runs in a fight from a lion, is killed more often by the lion, is more cowardly and less noble?
They wanted a animal that resembles power, strength and unity, hence tiger have less, little or none of those qualitys compared to the lion. So again, thapar saying lions in euorpes history are more of mythological is wrong, these were real live lions they saw in each century.
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Thapars theorys dont hold a candle in the light of the facts:
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