Arabic words replace persian as fanatics entrench in Pak

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The very existence of two distinct brands of Islam, 'Shia' and 'Sunni', show that Islam can and has been divided. There is nothing particularly special about Islam that makes it immune to internal conflict and division.
Not according to how Muslims are supposed to follow it. Mullahs exerted this pressure to keep them in power doesn't make Iranians Muslim by origin.


Most Iranians are not political refugees in Western nations...
But most of them do use the reason as an excuse to get in fast into the West. Trust me, you get a lot of those there. I got a couple of team members who were like this on a project.

People adopt new faiths as history marches on. Religion is only one aspect of culture.
There was no adoption here as you're giving it a clean chit. It was mass plunder and destruction. Why do you think the Zoroastrians came to India, mate? Don't tell me trading because trading was done even before Islam or Christianity were born in middle east between ancient Iran and ancient India.

Religion and culture are not two different things in eastern world, man. That's something you've to gain awareness on. There is no two words about it. Religion (organized or way of life either) might be personally an option to you but not to an entire civilization brought to the brink of destruction.
 

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Islam can never be localized mate. It is one religion that has to be uniformly followed around the world. Their holy book mentions only one single form of practise which is only valid in Islamic communities. All these divisions are invalid in Islam. So you saying "Persianized Islam" is simply hobblegobble. It is not applicable.
Shia Islam is Persianized Islam ! True the schism happened long time ago, but the Persian intellectuals hijacked it and made it their own.

Read this: Safavid conversion of Iran from Sunnism to Shiism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Shia Islam started in Arabia itself with the followers of Ali (AS). He then shifted base to Kufa, modern Iraq in the city of Najaf. That's why Iran and Iraq are Shia majority.

In Shia itself there are numerous splits. Seveners, twelvers, Nizaris, Ismailis. Majority Shias are twelvers and based in Iran and Iraq.

The Quran remains central to all Muslims but the way it is followed and interpreted differs quite a bit. This whole Ummah or oneness is all a myth. There is enough factionalism in Islam with people after each other.
 

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Shia Islam started in Arabia itself with the followers of Ali (AS). He then shifted base to Kufa, modern Iraq in the city of Najaf. That's why Iran and Iraq are Shia majority.

In Shia itself there are numerous splits. Seveners, twelvers, Nizaris, Ismailis. Majority Shias are twelvers and based in Iran and Iraq.

The Quran remains central to all Muslims but the way it is followed and interpreted differs quite a bit. This whole Ummah or oneness is all a myth. There is enough factionalism in Islam with people after each other.
Lurker and Civ,

Here's your answer. Yusuf made it all clear for you guys.
 

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Pakistan should take care to spell the term 'Pakistan' in an US accent :D
 

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Pakistan should take care to spell the term 'Pakistan' in an US accent :D
Not necessary. PRC has its own name for East Turkestan (Xinjiang) and Tibet (Xīzàng). Once Pakistan becomes a province of PRC, they too will get a new name. :D
 

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since starting the paki elite wanted pakistan to have some relevance in intl polity or at least among muslim nations, just like arabs and turks- initial muslim nations whos invader or missionary what ever you may call spread islam over the world. this was supposed to get pakistan some support internationally in the name of prominent or forward muslim nation but it failed miserably. kashmir and afghanistan, two oppertunity identified by them led to radicalization of masses and death to its economy and industry.
now the only way to survive is alignment with the renounced or reputed muslim states and this seems to be the first step.

moreover interesting to see that islam population as a result of arab effort are more radicalized as compared to the turk-led Islamism.

they need to re-visit the mistakes made by Zia and his successors. they tried to include the lower rung of the society to contribute to jihad so that they get huge no of foot soldiers who are ready to sacrifice themselves on given orders and moreover it will take away pakistan's poor population away from the mainland into India and afghanistan.
 

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Not necessary. PRC has its own name for East Turkestan (Xinjiang) and Tibet (Xīzàng). Once Pakistan becomes a province of PRC, they too will get a new name. :D
Ping Pong sounds good considering they are being tossed around by big powers.
 

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Pakistan wants

1 Chinese money
2 Western weapons AND VISAS
3. FREE ARAB oil and GAS

And they want Indian Kashmir and Films and TV serials .

So pakistanis have been bending backwards to please their 3 masters in whatever they can

For pleasing the Arabs they imported WAHABI Islam and became talibanised

Now they somehow want to prove to the Arabs that Pakistanis are also Arabs
 
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Pakistan wants

1 Chinese money
2 Western weapons AND VISAS
3. FREE ARAB oil and GAS

And they want Indian Kashmir and Films and TV serials .

So pakistanis have been bending backwards to please their 3 masters in whatever they can

For pleasing the Arabs they imported WAHABI Islam and became talibanised

Now they somehow want to prove to the Arabs that Pakistanis are also Arabs
1 Chinese money-Chinese do not give aid or charity so this will be a fruitless effort. Chinese can do nothing for Pakistan in current IMF rejection.

2 Western weapons AND VISAS -the closer pak gets to the Chinese the less western weapons Pakistan will get in the future. Visas will also be less in the future since 90% of global terrorism has it's roots in Pakistan.

3. FREE ARAB oil and GAS -Arabs can give free gas to pak or sell gas to India and make money. SA can also give free gas to Pakistan and lose India to Iran.


And they want Indian Kashmir and Films and TV serials -No matter what they do they can not change their Indian ancestry and roots, they can claim to be turks,persians or arabs but in the end they speak an Indian language and follow same Indian customs.
 

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