Aptitude test to replace optional subjects at IAS Prelims from next year

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  1. EagleOne

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    Initiating long-pending reforms in the selection process for the elite all-India services like the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) and Indian Police Service (IPS), the government has decided to introduce an aptitude test at the preliminary examination level while doing away with the assessment on the optional subjects.

    The Civil Services Aptitude Test, which will be common for all candidates, would be introduced from next year, Minister of State in the Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pensions Prithviraj Chavan said in an interaction with The Indian Express journalists at the ‘Idea Exchange’ programme here.

    “We have taken a decision that we will drop the 23 optional subjects at the preliminary stage and substitute that with a common aptitude test that will assess the reasoning ability of the candidates,” Chavan said. “There will be a test for minimal English language skills as well — of Class X level,” he said.

    In the existing system, the candidates have to sit for a test of general studies — which is common to all — and another on their elective subject. Both consist of objective type questions. Marks obtained in the optional subjects are normalised on a common standard so as to provide a level playing field for all candidates.

    Since the candidates are assessed in detail on the elective subjects in the main examination, it was decided to replace the optionals at the preliminary stage with an aptitude test that will judge the candidates’ decision making skills and aptitude for a demanding career in civil services. The new process would also do away with the need for normalisation since every candidate will have to answer the same question paper.

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    This is a way to reduce the number of candidates appearing for the civil services. And the target in particular are those from arts background and rural candidates. This is a stupid and biased decision as it will affect many. "it was decided to replace the optionals at the preliminary stage with an aptitude test that will judge the candidates’ decision making skills and aptitude for a demanding career in civil services" ----- that's bullshit.

    Does that mean that present IAS officers do not have decision making skills and aptitude ? I know a few of them are definitely retarded but there are plenty of good officers who do their job well and they did not appear for any aptitude test.

    The present system is a tried and tested system and it should not be changed. An aptitude test will definitely favor candidates from a mathematics or engineering background. This would be biased towards those who had taken up Arts in college.

    They also talk about the moral and ethical dimensions of decision making. How the hell will they test " the moral and ethical dimensions of decision making" with an aptitude test?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I cannot comment on the IAS examination, but if one draws a parallel with the SSB, then decision making and leadership tests, be a person from the urban and rural background. seamlessly merge and the best candidates, appearing for that term's batch, are selected.

    IAS chaps are good, but then it is the ethos of play safe that they are slow in taking quick decisions. That has been the bane of progress in our country - the CWG is a case in point including the pus-syfooting by the Sports Minister, who was but a bureaucrat before taking over as a Minister.

    Compare that with the decision making ethos of the Armed Forces who are selected through the SSB and are groomed to take spot decisions.

    Just a thought.

    It can be said that Kalmadi was an Air Force pilot, selected through the SSB. I presume too many years in Delhi hobnobbing with the elite (politicians and bureaucrat) made him a smart man.

    In many schools, aptitude test are conducted to discern which stream a student is ideally suited for, before the student takes the plunge.
     
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    Awesome news! I Love reasoning :)
     
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    Its not just the selection process that's responsible for a good armed force but the fact that its not a civilian organisation . Therefore there is relatively less corruption and decision making problems. Good IAS officers can easily be transferred by politicians if the do their job well. There is so much political interference.
    One cannot judge ethos in a written exam.People can fake their real nature in a examination.

    If the IAS has to be made better then Administrative reforms are the only answer not the selection process. There are plenty in the IAS who are ethical and have morals.
     
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    Sir, logical reasoning already exists in the present system.
     
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    Then what is it they are adding mate?
     
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    In Prelim exam the GS exam was so hard that we had to cover all the subjects even then it was kind of hard to know everything, almost everything under the sun could have been asked with choice to tick.

    optional subject are easy, but GS was different ball game.
     
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    so that there children can pass to next stage.
     
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    They are not adding anything. They are just doing away with the Optional subject that people can chose. They are introducing an aptitude test instead. And an aptitude test will favour only those from a mathematics background . Think about the scores of Arts candidates who can make good civil servants.
     
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    Still everyone have to clear each sections cutoff rite? So a person who is good at math need to clear general section too. imo its a good decision.
     
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    In GS each section has % of question so that all even if he has non maths or science background can do it. It was good system.
     
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    Mathematics is not everyone's cup of tea. But any one can be good enough in other GS if they work hard that is why its called GS.
    GS has something from every subject, this is a really inclusive paper unlike an aptitude test.
     
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    Saya they are not changing anything in GS. They are changing only the OS with Aptitude.
     
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    I am really bad at Mathematics!!! Now this means folks like me are doomed right?
     
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    I have few friends they can mug up almost any subjects without even having a single clue about it what good will come if they pass the exam ?
     
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    And as if this is not enough they are also proposing changes in the age limit _ 25 for general category. That is stupid. Maturity comes with age and experience. Maybe upsc does not value that.
     
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    I agree that age limit is a stupid plan.
     
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    Mugging up cannot help you in GS. GS was a check for guys like those.
     
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    Political interference and corruption are two issues that plague the government services.

    However, it is not insurmountable, if one wants to. There are many IAS and IPS people who have resisted, but of course, their careers have either suffered or became lopsided with frequent transfers.

    One may read this of Shanti Bushan, who was an Union Minister and who may go to jail over contempt of court since he has given a list of corrupt Chief Justices of India.
    Fearless Lawyers are Few

    Army not being a civilian organisation does not give it any extra zing to perform. It is selection of the acceptable material by the SSB that moulds the man into an acceptable decision making machine. Psychological tests at the SSB done in various formats shows up the man who wants to fudge his feeling since some tests are without time to think.

    Aptitude for a job matters or one finds that one is working with a square peg in a round hole.


    Just my thought.

    I may add that Logical Reasoning is but only one aspect of Decision Making and not the sole one.
     

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