Antony Must Cancel Rafale Deal!

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  1. Mariner HK

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    Antony Must Cancel Rafale Deal!
    by Rajinder Puri


    Fresh developments have made it imperative that the government cancel the Rs. 62000 crore Rafale fighter jet deal. The defence ministry is staggering from one corruption scandal to another. What is surprising is that even though warning signals are given in time the government refuses to heed them. Even while the government is mired in the Augusta Westland Helicopter scam the threat of the Rafale fighter jet scam is looming over its head. Readers might recall that one year ago in March 2012 it was pointed out in these columns that there was a cloud over the Rafale deal.

    Broadly three reasons were cited why the deal was questionable.

    First, the opposition shadow defence minister of Britain Ms. Seabeck criticized Prime Minister David Cameron for allowing Rafale to get the Indian contract over Britain’s Typhoon fighter jet also in the race. By implication Ms. Seabeck was alleging that the French got the contract because of superior public relations. Reading between the lines it meant that Britain did not attempt to counter kickbacks paid by the French. Thereby Britain lost many jobs while its employment situation was critical.

    Secondly, to reinforce this innuendo London’s prestigious newspaper The Guardian went a step further. It wrote: “He (Cameron) appears to have no links with India’s real decision makers, the Gandhi family… Power within India’s ruling Congress Party rests with the Gandhis.” The obvious question arose why the Gandhis were relevant when no member of the family had direct responsibility in the Defence Ministry. It might be noted that this Guardian report came much before Italian authorities had disclosed in their charge sheet on the Augusta Westland Helicopter scam that 28 million Euros bribe had been paid to “the family” in India. Nor is it without significance that one of the two key middlemen who allegedly paid bribes in the Augusta Westland deal was also a middleman acting for the Dassault Company that manufactures the Rafale fighter jet. He is Mr. Christian Michel based in London.

    Thirdly it was reported that two senior officials of the defence ministry who were members of the contract negotiation committee questioned the methods adopted by it to conclude that the Rafale fighter jet had the lowest bid for the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) deal. At the final stages Rafale had edged out the British fighter jet Typhoon while the other competitors from the US, Russia and Sweden had been eliminated earlier. Rafale knocked out the American F-16 and F-18, Russian MiG 35 and Sweden’s Gripen on the basis of technical performance. It defeated Britain’s Typhoon on life-cycle costs.

    It might be recalled that in April 2009 Raphael was officially debarred during the technical evaluation stage for non-compliance. The aircraft was disallowed participation in the next stage of field trials. There were gaps in the technical bid submitted by Raphael team. The defence ministry sought clarifications from the French company but received unsatisfactory answers. Thereafter the ministry excluded Rafale from further participation in the tender. But mysteriously a month later Rafale was back in the race! A defence ministry official said: “Since it was only paper evaluation and the French company Dassault Aviation has now supplied the missing answers, the Defense Procurement Board has decided to allow Rafale to take part in the actual field trials.”

    It is in this background that the latest omission by the Dassault Company which owns Rafale must be considered.

    From the details provided by the company it is not clearly specified that the costs quoted by it include the transfer of technology and training related to the Rafale fighter jet. The defence ministry has sought a written commitment from the company that these be included in the cost. The Dassault Company is not providing the written commitment. The earlier act of non-compliance by the company was subsequently papered over by the defence ministry through an unconvincing explanation. Surely the defence ministry should not accept this latest act of non-compliance. If the company does not promptly do the needful Mr. Antony should cancel the deal. Enough is enough.

    Mr. Antony as yet has a reputation for personal probity despite the scandals surrounding his ministry. People believe he is personally clean. But his reputation will be in tatters if he goes through with the Raphael deal. It is small comfort for the public if a minister does not personally accept bribes but allows those he cannot afford to displease to do so in order to safeguard his position. Mr. Antony cannot any longer afford to look the other way. He has to stop the rot. The ultimate tragedy is of course that even quality equipment sorely required by our armed forces is being denied to them because greedy politicians are not being prevented from putting their hands in the till. Because of corruption the nation is losing money. Because of corruption our armed forces are losing capability.

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  3. Kunal Biswas

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    I would say no ..

    Rafale deal is too important to our national security, we are also getting know how about lots of new technology which would be used in our national programs such as AMCA, FGFA & LCA MK2..
     
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    Antony Must Cancel Rafale Deal!


    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
     
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    Rafale deal will never be cancelled , cancelling it wud produce security issue ,,, and by no manner a security issue can be hatched ,,,,,
     
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    Can anyone give any solution???? whenever I see any thread or research on corruption I find only the problems ,, no one comes up with an idea to fight with it,,, no one gives any valuable suggestions to make a corruption free state,,,, I will take a research on how to fight corruption after my exams ,,, and i will at first post it in DFI,,, i have many Ideas in my mind and many of those in form of notes and datas ,,, just I have to put them in presentable manner and data oriented ,,, such that it can be implemented without issues ,,, its a promise to my DFI fellows.... I am weary about this issue and it needs a permanent solution. If you people have good ideas please share with me so that I can put it forward in my research,,,,
     
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    There are lot of technical gadgets available to monitor the RFP to final purchase authorization but no matter how much research one does it is not going to solve or stop it until and unless there is "Will To Do" from top down.
     
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    Kickbacks... offsets... same thing, who cares? I am curious though, what is India planning to gain from the technology transfer that hasn't already been acquired the hard way via LCA?
     
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    India needs a Stalin. That is the only solution.
     
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    that being the case - head line should red

    " Anthony Should SPEED UP RAFAEL DEAL "
     
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    Even if there were Kickbacks, the deal must go through. We are way too short of fighter aircrafts. The deal can be canceled only if they decide that by default the Typhoon wins. We don't want another process of selecting a fighter that will last another 5 years with the same set of problems. I would say even an FMS with the US is Ok to get some Super Hornets with an option to get F-35s when they come around. But unless that is assured, no canceling the Rafale deal. Far too important for national security.
     
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    If this is true then its not good IAF sqadron strength has gone down to 30+ from sanctioned strength of 45 , All versions of Mig-21 will be phased out by 2017

    St Antony sir let us not take decision to show ur corruption free , pls take the decision keeping in mind National interest of the country & security

    Only new platform we would induct is 2 sqadron of LCA Mk1 & Super-30MKI 40+ numbers , Mk2 will be 2017 and beyond if things go fine

    FGFA & AMCA will be 2020 beyond , by that time whole fleet of Mig-21 would have gone for good & Mig-27 , Old Jaguars would be under process of phaseing out

    So Rafale is very much required
     
  13. JBH22

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    Buying EF-2000 would be a nightmare this plane is logistic nightmare right wing in 1 country left country in another country.
    Rafale is a good bet its going to be the mainstay of French airforce for years to come hence it has good growth potential as they will continue to invest in R&D
     
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    But I thought you dont like "mass-murdering" idealogues as PM.

    Is Stalin halal ?
     
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    Well we are talking about possible cancellation and what can be the only way to do it. Without immediate replacement we cannot afford to cancel. We need some birds. I hope the deal is not canceled. But if it came to it, either go with the Typhoon or the Super Hornet. Don't call for another sound of evaluations. But before they cancel the deal, they should also take into consideration the fact that others will jack up their prices and in the end, the potential loss will be far greater than the kick backs in monetary terms.

    Better stick to the deal even if the $2 billion that was alleged as kickbacks are true. In the end, if we are paying less than the Typhoon over life cycle cost in spite of the kick backs, why should we complain?
     
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    Stalin was a saint! :rotflmao:

    I guess left wing dictatorship is allowed and right wing not good
     
  17. Jagdish

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    Instead of Antony Must Cancel Rafale Deal! , Antony should resign as defence minister would have been better much better for Indian armed force & national security

    Better he should retire like many in UPA , that will save India

    Reason to show his clean image he has blacklisted many companies , without even bothering to find an alternative supplier for the same
    Eg: Bhim 155mm Self propelled howitzer project

    Has called for greater involvement of Indian private industry through microphone , in reality nothing more has happened
     
  18. Armand2REP

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    It sounds like the author is more butthurt over EFT losing than any potential Rafale corruption.
     
  19. lookieloo

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    Come on now. Is the threat of cancellation really that serious just because of some partisan media shrieks? Admittedly, the vagueries of Indian politics escape me for the most part, but if weapons programs got canceled every time vocal opponents turned up, the entire free world would stand armed with little more than crossbows.
     
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    Anything is possible in India. National Interests are sacrificed for political points.
     
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    don't worry mate IAF won'tcancel this deal at any cost even if God himself wants to cancel it!we need the Rafales A.S.A.P. to counter the growing strength of the PLAAF!and IAF knows this pretty well,so mark my words that this deal will be signed within the next 6 months.Period:ranger:!
     

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