Another victory for services veterans

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    ANOTHER VICTORY FOR VETERANS

    Vasundhra: ANOTHER VICTORY FOR VETERANS

    Honorable Supreme court has ruled today 24 Mar 14 on PIL and SLP filed by Sh Rajeev Chandrashekhar and Mrs Neela Gokhle that soldiers and their families can vote on peace stations (total approx 325 in number). Justice Lodha has over ruled the order of High court and Election commission where in they had asked that the soldiers should be permitted to vote only if they have a tenure of 3 years and are ordinarily residing with their family.




    Justice Lodha inquired from the MOD lawyer the meaning of ordinary residence when they could not explain the meaning of ordinary residence the Justice ruled that ordinary residence is the place where a person is residing while discharging his official duty. He has a right to vote at the place of his ordinary residence. MOD was asked to supply the list of stations where soldiers are ordinarily posted. MOD could not supply that is our MOD.




    Defence lawyer confirmed that there are 325 stations where soldiers are ordinarily posted during peace time. Honorable judge ruled that election commission should facilitate the soldiers posted since 1 Jan 14 on these station to vote in coming elections.




    IESM is thankful to Sh Rajeev Chandrashekhar FOH and Mrs Neela Gokhle and Gen Hoon for filing PIL/SLP for voting rights of soldiers.




    IESM is thankful to Sh Rajeev Chandrashekhar for supporting the cause of ex-servicemen for their rightful demands.




    VETERANS THIS IS A VICTORY WORTH CELEBRATING. THREE CHEERS





    Regards

    Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
    Gen Sec IESM
     
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    Government against allowing servicemen to vote at place of posting

    Government against allowing servicemen to vote at place of posting - Economic Times

    NEW DELHI: A suggestion for allowing defence personnel to cast their votes at the constituency of their posting has found little favour in the government, which feels it is not feasible because of strategic factors and other complexities.

    However, the government is yet to take the final call on the ticklish issue which is to come up in the Supreme Court tomorrow.


    There is a view in the government that granting right to defence personnel to cast their vote at the place of their posting is "not feasible" due to various reasons, sources said.

    "Allowing servicemen to cast their vote at the place of their current posting also involves the issue of security. If they exercise their voting right at the place of their posting, it could give out details of their deployment," a source said while explaining the hesitation.

    He claimed that granting such a right could also mean that in a forward area where soldiers outnumber local residents, the armed forces would be the deciding factor over the locals in the victory of a candidate.

    "As it is, their right to vote is protected. Defence personnel can take leave and cast their vote at the place where they are registered as voters. They can also use postal ballot. They are the only ones allowed 'proxy voting', by which they can authorise their next of kin to vote on their behalf for the candidate of their choice," said the source.

    But the government agrees that there is need to streamline the system of postal ballots as servicemen have often complained that they fail to get the ballot on time, denying them the opportunity to exercise their right.

    The issue has been discussed at the meetings of Committee of Secretaries chaired by the Cabinet Secretary.
     
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    Could someone tell me whay this Committee of Secretaries and Cabinet Secretary is so anti "Armed Forces" of the country?

    Strange but true.... How can any one be against basic democratic rights of the citizens as soldiers are citizens of the country ! How can a Cabinet Secretary recommend that Fundamental rights of part of citizens be abrogated ?? and such political advise be accepted by the Government.
     
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    i see many defence person are more inclined to bjp! My view!
     
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    That is a political choice , any thing wrong in that ?

    But I feel otherwise ... the section to which majority of Armed Forces soldiers belong have been traditional Congress supporters.

    Congress and bureaucracy historically, traditionally and attitudinally has not been able to mange and understand the Armed Forces. These two have always been at loggerhead with Forces including the retired Veterans. For them management of Armed Forces means suppression of their genuine rights and aspirations.
    That is the opinion most of the commenters carry.
     
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    Faujis can vote as general voters. Kinda. | StratPost



    Although the Supreme Court has allowed armed forces personnel to vote as general voters, there are significant caveats and its interim order is likely to benefit only a small percentage of service voters in the General Election.

    The Supreme Court has ordered the Election Commission of India to allow armed forces personnel to vote as general voters in the constituencies where they reside.

    In its interim order, the Court directed the ECI to register defence personnel as general voters in constituencies where the election process has not commenced, making the order applicable to peace stations and to personnel posted since January 01, 2014 who continue to be stationed there.

    It is important to note that this is an interim order and the final decision of the court on the writ petition is still awaited. Also, this order is likely to benefit only a small percentage of service voters.

    It was pointed out that service voters could, so far, only vote as general voters if they had resided in the constituency for a period of at least three years.

    It was further pointed out that most armed forces personnel have tenures that amount to less than the period of three years and the argument was made that this prevented most service voters from exercising their franchise, even as other sections of the voting demographic are allowed to vote after having resided for, in some cases, no more than six months in a constituency.

    The Court appears to have accepted this contention and has reflected it in its interim order.

    According to figures that emerged during the hearings in this case, there are around 15 lakh (1.5 million) service voters. Out of these, around 13.6 lakh (1.36 million) have already registered themselves for voting by postal ballot. This order would, therefore, not be of benefit to them as they are already registered voters.

    Further, since the election process has already commenced in 225 constituencies, no unregistered service voter in these constituencies would be able to benefit from this order and vote as a general voter. This order would only apply in the remaining 318 constituencies.

    During the course of the hearings it was argued that allowing armed forces personnel to vote as general voters in the constituencies where they reside could create voting blocks in areas with large concentrations of armed forces personnel. It was further argued that this could even have the effect of turning a hitherto reserved constituency into an unreserved constituency because of the change in the qualified voter demography.

    While the Court left this matter to be decided on merit in its final decision, it allowed the Election Commission the right to continue to deny political parties permission to campaign in cantonments and military stations, pending its final decision


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    Interim Orders of the Supreme Court on voting rights of defence personnel

    Indian Military : Service Benefits and Issues

    As many readers would be aware, the Supreme Court is looking into the aspect of effective voting for armed forces personnel, including voting at their places of posting.




    The problem originates from the fact that the Election Commission of India by way of an order has ordained that only personnel with more than 3 years of residence at their place of posting would be permitted to register as general voters at the said place. Of course, this 3 year rule does not find basis in any statute.




    The case was listed today and it seems that the Apex Court has directed in its interim directions that armed forces personnel would be allowed to be registered as voters without insisting on the 3 year clause in all those constituencies where the poll process has not yet commenced. The main petition remains pending and may be decided by a larger bench.




    Readers may like to view an opinion on the subject on StratPost.




    More when the Supreme Court order is made available
     
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    That is because one required active national security and not merely hot air.

    Check the thread on running low on ammunition and the article by Pravin Sahni.

    And the way the Indian military is today totally immobilised.

    I saw Devils advocate yesterday on the Navy being headless for such a long time.

    One should have heard the retd Admiral's views!
     
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    Good For:- ( voting by service personnel in situ)
    Col Rajyavardhan, the candidate from Jaipur (rural) for LS ( BJP). He will get bulk votes of troops stationed in Jaipur ( SWC)
     
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    The Indian politicians only understand vote banks.

    Now they will learn to take the military seriously.
     
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    Indian Army is a citizens Army and a Volunteer force. I think they are not mercenaries. It will go a long way in their morale boosting and feeling good that they are given citizens rights much easier than others.

    It certainly will make them patriotic and more responsible.

    It is very unfortunate that Committee of Secretary and the Cabinet Secretary recommended not to allow them to vote.

    In Any constituency thousand or even ten thousand votes of soldiers can be a small block but would not drastically change the results except may be in J&K or Arunanchal or border areas. What about the nature of hundreds of constituencies that the politicians, bureaucrats and vested elements have permanently changed by demographic invasion like in Bengal, Assam, Delhi, all large Cities of India, Tripura etc. Delhi's original shape has changed in favor of Bangladeshis and Biharies. I am sure all Secretaries have Bangladeshi Ayas / maids working for them in Delhi. They are not bothered about that but they give strange arguments to deny soldiers voting rights.

    It is not possible that the defense secretary does not know that the soldiers are supposed to vote in all stations called Cantonments in the elections of Cantt Board (Local Municipal body) .. then why deny them voting in State level or National elections.

    These kind of attitudes on the part of bureaucracy is a sure shot way of pushing Service personnel into considering bureaucracy as deliberately anti services, pushing them into agitating and political arena.

    That was very unfortunate.
     
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    i know Ray-ji. I answering @Bhadra-ji's Q!

    //Could someone tell me whay this Committee of Secretaries and Cabinet Secretary is so anti "Armed Forces" of the country?//
     
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    That betrays the understanding of the Indian Army these bureaucrats have that they think and have given in argument before Supreme Court that soldiers would constitute a block. Indian Armed Forces personnel are composed of all races, regions, languages and even castes of India. Their understanding, preferences, poling patterns and behaviour would be different depending their current status, background and political choices. They may vote together only on military issues but Indian election are hardly ever military issue including at military times like in the aftermath of Kargil The BJP lost.

    Indians hardly vote on national issues. What political preferences jawans of Madras regiment can have while voting in election being posted at Patiala. Or Sikh Regiment personnel in Chenia.

    The idea though should be that the soldiers must feel he is an honoured citizen of the country that he is exercising his franchise at Patiala or in Chenia. And that he is not under privileged being a soldier.

    What kind of national bureaucracy is this which want their soldiers to feel underprivileged.

    After all it is the exercise of these democratic right that makes the most underprivileged in India to feel that he is an Indian and citizen.
     
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    Army personnel get voting rights at place of posting

    Army personnel get voting rights at place of posting - The Times of India

    NEW DELHI: In a historic development for Army, Navy and Indian Air Force personnel, the Election Commission on Monday decided to permit them to vote at their place of posting in the coming general elections by treating them as ordinary residents of that constituency.

    Till now, the 15 lakh armed forces personnel used to exercise their franchise through postal ballot or by authorizing a relative in their native place as the proxy to cast the vote on their behalf.

    The concession from EC, after steadfast opposition to any third alternative to postal ballot or proxy voting, came after a bench of Justices R M Lodha and Kurian Joseph criticized the commission for adopting an obstructionist approach to rob armed forces personnel of their valuable right to vote.

    The court recorded the statement of EC's counsel Meenakshi Arora in its interim order on petitions filed by an Army officer's wife Neela Gokhale and Member of Parliament Rajeev Chandrasekhar.

    The EC said the decision to allow armed forces personnel to vote at their place of posting, as an interim measure, would be limited to "peace stations" and not include those posted at forward and disturbed areas.

    Significantly, the EC decided to give up its rule of three-year domicile with family at the place of posting to allow personnel from Army, Navy and IAF to cast their vote at the place of posting. For this general election, wherever the election process has not commenced, the armed forces personnel posted at "peace stations' would be registered as voters and would cast their vote if he/she has been working there since January 1.

    Arora said of the 15 lakh armed forces personnel, 13.5 lakh had already decided to vote through postal ballot or proxy. She said the EC decided to give postal ballots to Army within 48 hours of finalization of nominations and it was for them to get it filled and sent back to the commission.

    The bench directed the Centre to give the list of peace stations to the EC within two days and requested it to take all possible measures to see that filled postal ballots were returned to the commission expeditiously before the counting day so that they did not go waste.

    Prior to the change of stand, Arora had stridently opposed any third alternative to postal ballot or voting through proxy available to armed forces personnel. But senior advocates Harish Salve, Mukul Rohatgi and U U Lalit pointed out that the place of posting could not be a ground to deny voting rights to soldiers.

    The bench asked the EC, "What is the basis for fixing three years rule for service personnel? It is not his choice that he gets posted to a remote place. Why should a person who is posted at a remote place be not treated as an ordinary citizen of that place?"

    Arora said there was heavy deployment of armed forces personnel in disturbed and forward areas like north-eastern states and Jammu and Kashmir. "If they were treated as ordinary citizens at the place of posting, then it would dramatically change the demographic complexion of the place and impede the choice of the local population in electing a representative," she said.

    She also said allowing armed forces personnel to vote at their place of posting would encourage political parties to seek campaigning right in cantonments. Though the bench decided to refer the matter to a larger bench for final adjudication of issues raised by Gokhale and Chandrasekhar, it did not appreciate the EC's objections.

    The bench said, "It is a rather strange situation. On one hand the Election Commission wants every adult to be registered as a voter and encourages 100% voting. But on the other hand, it has taken a stand that deprives lakhs of armed forces personnel their precious right to vote."
     
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    An Indian citizen can reside anywhere in India.

    In certain areas, one can reside but not own property or conduct business.

    The issue is if one resides in a place, is he not affected by the local issues and should he be deprived of his or her voice and choice?

    Maybe this Arora has a different concept of citizenship.

    What is so special about disturbed areas?

    Unless these areas are treated at par with the rest of India, it will continue to be ipso facto 'out of India' and the people will never feel that they are a part of India.

    Integration and making people feel that they are a part and parcel of India is the key to all this false divisive tendencies.
     
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    List of 62 Cantonment Boards (Command wise)

    SI. No. Name of Cantonment SI. No. Name of Cantonment
    Board Board
    Central Command: Southern Command:
    1. Agra 1. Ahmedabad
    2. Allahabad 2. Ahmednagar
    ,3. Almora 3. Ajmer
    4. Bareilly 4. Aurangabad
    5. Chakrata 5. Babina
    | 6. Clement Town 6. Belgaum
    7. Danapur 7. Cannanore
    8. Dehradun 8. Dehuroad
    9. Faizabad 9. Deolali
    10. Fatehgarh 10. Jhansi
    11. Jabalpur 11. Kamptee
    12. Kanpur 12. Kirkee
    13. Landour 13. Morar
    14. Lansdowne 14. Nasirabad
    15. Lucknow 15. Pune
    16. Mathura 16. Saugor
    17. Meerut 17. Secunderabad
    18. Mhow 18. St.Thomas Mount Cum
    Pallavaram
    19. Nainital 19. Wellington
    20. Pachmarhi Western Command:
    21. Ramgarh 1. Ambala
    22. Ranikhet 2. Amritsar
    23. Roorkee 3. Bakloh
    24. Shahjahanpur 4. Dagshai
    25. Varanasi 5. Dalhousie
    Eastern Command: 6. Delhi
    1. Barrackpore 7. Ferozepur
    2. Shillong 8. Jalandhar
    3. Jalapahar 9. Jammu
    4. Lebong 10. Jutogh
    11. Kasauli
    Northern Command: 12. KhasYol
    1. Badamibagh 13. Subathu
    This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Sameer Bhujbalin Lok Sabha today.

    http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=90277
     
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    Abohar Bathinda Cantt Dehradun Cantt Gwalior Jamnagar Lalgarh Jattan Mohanbari Ranchi (Namkum) Suratgarh
    Agartala, Tripura Beas Punjab Delhi Cantt Haldawani Janglot Lansdowne Mumbai Rangapahar Talbehat
    Agra Cantt Belgaon Devlali Hattigor Cantt Jhansi Lehbong Nasirabad Rangiya Cantt Tenga
    Ahmednagar Bengdubi Dharangadhra Hempur Jodhpur Lekhapani Old Amritsar Cantt Ranikhet Tezpur
    Akhnoor Bhopal Dharchula Hissar Jorhat Liemakhong Manipur Pachmarhi Roorkee Thakurbari
    Alhial Bhuj Dharmshala Hyderabad Joshimath Lucknow Palampur Rupa Cantt Thill Rown,Dhar Road
    Allhabad Cantt Bikaner Dinjan IBH Kalimpong Ludhiana Pallavram Chennai Saharanpur Tibri Cantt
    Alwar Binaguri Faizabad Jabalpur Kamptee Madhopur Panagarh Samba Tripura
    Ambala Cantt Bowanpally Faridkot Jaipur Kanchrapara Mamun Panitola Secunderbad Trivandrum
    Anand Parbat
    New Delhi Cannanore Fatehgarh Jalandhar Cantt Kandrori Masinpur Pathankot Sevoke Road Udaipur
    Babina Cantt Chandimandir Fazilka Jalapahar Kankinara Mathura Cantt Phyang (Leh) Shikargarh,Jodhpur Udhampur
    Bakloh Chaubattia Rkt Ferozpur Cantt Jalipa Kanpur Cantt Meerut Cantt Pithoragarh Shillong Umroi Cantt
    Banar Chennai Gandhinagar Jammu
    (BD Bari) Kapurthala Mehdipatnam Pune Shimla Unchibassi
    Bangalore Chheoki Gangtok Jammu (Damana) Kirkee, Pune Mhow Raiwala Shiv Mandir Vadodra
    Baramulla Dakneswar Gaya Jammu (Kaluchak) Kohima Miran Sahib Rakhmuthi Sri Ganga Nagar Varanasi
    Bareilly Dalhousie Goa Jammu (Ratnuchak) Kolhapur Mirthal Ramgarh Cantt Srinagar Yol Cantt
    Barrackpore Dehradun (Clement Town) Gopalpur Jammu (Sunjuwan) Kolkata Misa Cantt Ranchi (Dipatoli) Sringar
    Basoli Dehradun (IMA) Guwahati Jammu Cantt Kota Misamari Ranchi (Dipatoli) Sukhna



    Indian Army Facilities
     
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    Babus have already scuttled the order as 225 constituencies are now closed for registration of voters. The SC should pass a special order to allow registration of the Service voters in those constituencies....
     
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    Indeed the SC should!
     

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