Anglosphere - India's Future?

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So there is this guy who is a senior to me in college, who was pro dalit agitation and dalit activism. I worked with him for our struggle to get the work load off my fellow interns during my internship . he is a socialist in many cases and so I decided to challenge his views

So our conversation goes as this- I asked him if he has seen discrimination in private industry yo the extend in public offices and institution. He answered no. Then I asked him if the upper castes are represented higher in govt offices and institutions. He said yes. I asked him if discrimination is there, where would it be higher - govt or provate- he answered govt. And so I asked him which is the best way to deal with discrimination- he said private enterprises. But when I asked him so by that does it mean if privatisation and capitalism is better than socialism, he evaded the question as I guess it would have made him to become uncomfortable to think along that line.

After two months , he sent me a link to an article he wrote bashing traditional medicinal methods(he writes a lot of articles advocating his political positions and this was one of them) in which while he was bashing the traditional medicinal methods like Ayurveda and siddha , he was giving side jabs at capitalism too :rofl: . that's how bad his identity was defined by his ideology. He is an allopathy doctor BTW in case you are wondering why he would bash siddha and ayurveda
 

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40k who are relentless, resourceful, determined and rational will beat 100m given enough time.
Dude, 40k are the followers and not the actual no. Of free market propagandists. And they are massively underfunded and under working compared to the leftist scum who are ubiquitous in all forms of media from news magazines to TVs and bollywood's/kollywoods/tollywoods and what not.
 

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As a startup founder / angel investor, I see underdogs win all the time. Two guys in a garage can topple giant monopolies and change the world. It can happen .. and it happens all the time.

A liberal political & economic system is necessary for success, but it isn't sufficient. America's success lies at least as much on the irrepressible optimism of (a decent percentage) of its people .. the belief that if they want something badly enough, they can make it happen, no matter the odds.

Pessimism (you may call it "realism", but you know what I mean) is the enemy of success. Just listen to your own Prime Minister, he gets this .. this is why Indian-Americans have come to adore him, despite initial reservations. He's the ultimate underdog, chai walla to PM, international outcaste, to most desired guest.

By a stroke of unbelievable luck, you have a genuinely American PM. Make the best of it.
 

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As a startup founder / angel investor, I see underdogs win all the time. Two guys in a garage can topple giant monopolies and change the world. It can happen .. and it happens all the time.

A liberal political & economic system is necessary for success, but it isn't sufficient. America's success lies at least as much on the irrepressible optimism of (a decent percentage) of its people .. the belief that if they want something badly enough, they can make it happen, no matter the odds.

Pessimism (you may call it "realism", but you know what I mean) is the enemy of success. Just listen to your own Prime Minister, he understands this .. this is why Indian-Americans have come to adore him, despite initial reservations. He's the ultimate underdog, chai walla to PM, international outcaste, to most desired guest.

By a stroke of unbelievable luck, you have a genuinely American PM. Make the best of it.
Again I am not a pessimist. Pessimism is not the same as realism. Stop pulling strawmans. I am a realist. There is huge difference. I know India will shift to the right compared to now in the coming years due to internet, but a lasting change or a significant change is impossible without ground level change in thinking.

You can talk all this if you can convince your own cousin of liberalism .
 

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Those who call themselves "realists" have a narrow view of the world. The mistake such people make is they fail to see that there is irrationality in absolute rationality because you cannot be 100% certain of your assumptions, not even in physics (schroedinger, heisenberg) or even mathematics (godel) .. nor in philosophy (shakespeare):

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

All I'm arguing is that anything can be accomplished, despite the most extremely negative odds. You seem to believe strongly in liberalism, that's great .. now make it your dharma to make it a reality for your country.

It's funny .. being named "Arjun", I've always taken Arjuna's position vs. Krishna. But by arguing with various people, i've realized that maybe Krishna had a point in claiming to be an all-powerful god. Sometimes existential confusion and negativity are so ingrained that action is impossible w/out a bit of irrational confidence.
 

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Those who call themselves "realists" have a narrow view of the world. The mistake such people make is they fail to see that there is irrationality in absolute rationality because you cannot be 100% certain of your assumptions, not even in physics (schroedinger, heisenberg) or even mathematics (godel) .. nor in philosophy (shakespeare):

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

All I'm arguing is that anything can be accomplished, despite the most extremely negative odds. You seem to believe strongly in liberalism, that's great .. now make it your dharma to make it a reality for your country.

It's funny .. being named "Arjun", I've always taken Arjuna's position vs. Krishna. But by arguing with various people, i've realized that maybe Krishna had a point in claiming to be an all-powerful god. Sometimes existential confusion and negativity are so ingrained that action is impossible w/out a bit of irrational confidence.
Again full of strawmans and non sequitors. Uncertainity does not preclude realism. Even the uncertainties are observations based on realisim and not hoping. Hoping that 2+2 will equal 5 somehow won't make that happen no matter how much one hopes. That's just pure realism.

Now coming on to pessimism, I find nothing wrong with pessimism. But I am not a pessimist. I never said leftism can't be defeated. So what you constructed is a strawmans. I am saying your approach to defeating leftism- trying to reason with them won't work- why else is there a growing leftism in your country? Your conservatives dint reason with your leftists? The only easy way to defeat leftism is to eradicate the BS in the schools so that they are open for reason when they are old enough rather than being ideological slaves
 

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Yes, but you conveniently delegate the solution to something out of your control. Fine, fix the education system .. how would you do that .. that's one of the most politicized aspects of society. So then, make a plan of action. How would you, as an individual, help change the education system?
 

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Yes, but you conveniently delegate the solution to something out of your control. Fine, fix the education system .. how would you do that .. that's one of the most politicized aspects of society. So then, make a plan of action. How would you, as an individual, help change the education system?
Simple. I am surprised you even asked. Vote in the politicians who are right leaning and actually give a shit about country's future. They would make sure that the leftist filth taught in schools is cleaned up.
 

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Where did you get this (now famous) concept of Angloshere ?
How does one define it and has it passed over to become Yankee sphere ?
Islam and ultra left are part of tools of angloshere and continue to be that way ?

How much prevalent is anglosphere in India ?
 

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https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2007/10/21/the-heart-of-anglospheric-thought/


The heart of Anglospheric thought

An interesting recent article brought back certain memories which underlined so clearly the kernel of Anglospheric thought. It was quite ironic: I was staying at that time as a guest in a well-appointed room at the Gonville and Caius College and had some fallow time before meeting a delightful friend, as I was escaping the grip of the kR^ityA that had settled on my head like the vetAla which had seized vikrama. I spent the time examining a voluminous book (A History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900) by an English propagandist Roberts, who clearly inspires the mlechChAdhipati-s like George Bush, Dick Cheney and their Anglo-Saxon henchmen. The book is narrower in its focus than a similarly conceived volume by the American far-right political raconteur Murray. In short while Murray makes the case for Leukospheric supremacy Roberts makes the case for Anglospheric supremacy. Why is all this relevant to a Hindu ? This cannot be fully answered in public, but a simple hint: emulate viShNugupta the luminary of Hindu thought.

To illustrate the central issue of relevance to Hindus in all this let us take the following example:
On 13th April 1919 on the day of the Baisakh festival the English general Dyer attacked unarmed Hindus and Sikhs at Jallianwala Bagh with the “weapons of mass destruction” of that era and killed about 500 of them in the least (some estimates place the numbers much higher). Dyer’s own words are the following:
“I had made up my mind I would do all men to death… It was no longer a question of merely dispersing the crowd, but one of producing a sufficient moral effect from a military point of view not only on those who were present, but more especially throughout the Punjab.” (emphasis added)

His superior, O’Dwyer declared that he had done the right thing. The committee inquiring into the event largely exonerated him by describing his actions as “…an honest but mistaken conception of duty.” The House of Lords approved of his valiant actions in saving the British empire from another “mutiny”. The Britons raised a purse of #26,000 and presented it to Dyer on his return to England with sword in support of his valorous deeds of killing unarmed Hindus. A white American woman sent him #100 hailing him as the protector of white women. Fast-forward to 1997, the mlechCha rAjan Phillip who was visiting Jallianwala Bagh looked a plaque there and commented that casualities listed there were inflated, and Dyer’s son with whom he had served in the English army had told him that they were far less. Then come to 2006, the propagandist Roberts (hailed as historian by the Bush-Cheney Anglo-Saxon junta) defended the massacre of Indians by Dyer as a necessary measure to maintain peace. In fact he is seen paraphrasing Dyer’s own words.

Let it be clear to every Hindu, that a long line of illustrious mlechChas starting from Kipling to Dyer to Churchill to the barbarian prince Phillip to the propagandist Roberts or their admirers from the Bush-Cheney gang have had the same essential view of pagan Hindu — the Anglospheric master from his high pedestal declares his acts as moral and the rest have to agree. You may point to the genocides committed by other Leukospheric peoples, for example Russians or Germans, but the genocides of the Anglosphere are out of bounds for discussion- they are Christian Angels after all.

Yet Manmohan Singh the Sikh ruler of India (yes, Sikhs were victims at Jallianwala Bagh) says in his address at Oxford University:
“Not just by the perceived negative consequences of British imperial rule… ”
“…it is possible for an Indian Prime Minister to assert that India’s experience with Britain had its beneficial consequences too. Our notions of the rule of law, of a Constitutional government, of a free press, of a professional civil service, of modern universities and research laboratories have all been fashioned in the crucible where an age old civilization met the dominant Empire of the day.” [emphasis added]
It is amazing to see how many a Hindu including the PM they have elected have internalized the propaganda of the Anglosphere and even hope to belong to it, as Manmohan goes on the state in his address.

As another example of the Anglospheric narrative on Hindus take the work of Professor Carroll Quigley, one of whose students was Bill Clinton, the puMschali-grAhin and ex-mlechChAdhipati. In his voluminous tome, “Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time”, which was very influential amongst many an American politician he outlines a history of India. Here he paints the Hindus as a depraved mass of imbeciles enslaved by Islam and Isaism. He narrates a history where the Hindu Marathas were brigands and thieves ruining the land through their depredations, when the British brought the rule of law.

Undoubtedly Billy imbibed his teacher’s word well. We hear him say the following in a preface of a recent book by M. Albright: “During my visit to India in 2000, some Hindu militants decided to vent their outrage by murdering 38 Sikhs in cold blood. If I hadn’t made the trip, the victims would probably still be alive. If I hadn’t made the trip, I couldn’t have done my job as president of the United States”.
Apparently he has edited it since, but there is no doubt about what the Anglospheric view on Hindus is.

From Jimmy Watson to the Anglospheric mafia ruling in the backyard they still insist in subtle and not so subtle ways that they are lords of the world. And we continue to buy into that…
 

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The Anglosphere and India: new events

One cannot rule out a complex ploy by the US decision-makers (the inner circle). Note the following carefully:
1) Many of the people on these “human rights” organizations have ties with neocons (ironic but true).
2) The core neocons have this remarkable love for Pakistan as evidenced by their deft use of 9-11 to prop up TSP, ignore its blazing role in 9-11, and go Eye-raq.
3) The neocons are closely allied with or plainly rule the major media outlets, which have revved-up a concerted anti-Hindu campaign in the past year or so with sepoys or their own hachetmen.
4) They say that the cold war is over, but Russia is persistantly targetted for down-sizing by the US. Note the consistent pro-Chechen stance of US, despite their awful atrocities in Russia.
5) Given that the cold war is not really over India is treated exactly the way it was during the cold war.

Hindus have a problem- they are very gullible and talk in terms of “friends” rather than interests while refering to international politics. Hindus have low level of unity in addition.

The only thing that can counter this negatives is the mighty force of Hindu nationalism: 1) It is the true and only unifying spirit of the entity called India.
2) If it expresses itself it can transform India into potent competitor for the Anglosphere and the Leukosphere nations.
3) Its religious and ideological constructs are more ancient, more consistent and more robust than the modern ideological props of the West. It is a real alternative to all western models and can challenge them seriously. Given that the older intellectual layers of the west- ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt were ideologically very close to India, it is possible for Indic thought to cleanse the west of the current ideological cobwebs.

I suspect that the guardians of current ideological constructs in the Leukosphere (who disguise it in words like democracy) have seen the real nature of the Indian threat and are acting preemptively. They need a good handle to demonize the Hindus and make them targets for preemptive action. So, they will incite Hindus through devices like the Modi incident into acts of “anti-Americanism”. This will give them a good excuse then to get down to serious action against the Hindus.

As I see it there are only two paths that can play out in the ultimate future:
1) India continues to remain inconsequential and thereby easily trod over by the Leukosphere: we remain meek as grass.
2) India develops further and has a direct confrontation with the Leukosphere.

as they say: ” Just as there can be only one sword in a scabbard, there can only be either indra or vR^itra”

https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2005/03/21/the-anglosphere-and-india-new-events/
 

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The manufacture of opinion and suppression of freedoms
Many years ago I was being subject to an English examination by an American. The first question he asked me was what is freedom. I defined it for him. Then he asked if I came from a free country. I answered : “Sort of”. A bit surprised he asked: “What do you mean?” I replied: “It is a free country roughly in the same sense as you all imagine your country to be free.” He was a bit shaken, and said : “You mean I am imagining that my country is free. No, we really have freedom expression”. I held my ground and said: “I am not so sure, is it is only seemingly so”. Anyhow, to his credit, despite being rattled by a heathen alien, the said American passed me in English

The virile taittirIyaka gushed in the past about his momentous landing on the shores of madhyama mlechChadesha in krau~ncha dvIpa: “you truly feel like a free man in a free land the moment you are in the US”. However, my experience in the very same shores of krau~ncha dvIpa was hardly comparable. I feel I have about just the same freedom of expression as I had or have on the shores of jambu-dvIpa- some matters I can talk more freely here and others in bhArata. My freedom of expression is explicitly curbed by the officialdom in both countries. The American universities have a certain degree of freedom with respect to Internet but impose political correctness especially on issues of intelligence, race and sexuality. Civilian, unclassified American government funded research institutes were earlier similar in their freedoms, but post 9-11 have become increasingly heavy-handed in smothering freedom of expression and access to information. On the whole Chacha Sham has become paranoid and more and more willing to compromise freedom of expression/access to information after 9-11. India on the other hand despite its large internal Moslem and Isaist populations and numerous terrorist strikes exhibits far less paranoia in the directions that Americans do. But the Indian system prevents free expression with its own flavor of political correctness called secularism. India, just like certain US government institutions has a despicable track record with respect to internet freedom, perhaps worse.

However, a far more sinister issue I rapidly learned about in the US was the manufacture of opinion at which mlechCha-s are more notorious than anyone.

Simply defined “manufacture of opinion” is a process by which the certain opinions are manufactured via the medium of certain chosen academics and then presented as the correct, fashionable or proper opinion to be expressed by the masses. This might be carried out by the Anglosphere both on its own citizens, members of the extended Leukosphere and outsiders including other Abrahamists and heathens alike. There are numerous examples of manufacture of opinion:

1) The opinion was manufactured by some with vested agendas that the attack on Iraq was of paramount importance to the American future. So this became the majority opinion of the American people and they whole-heartedly supported their government’s decision to go to war on Iraq and kill Saddam and his henchmen.
2) The opinion was created that Musharaff rather than being at the heart of international terrorism and the cause of 9/11, was instead the front line ally of the US and the guardian of US from the raging beards. With this the opinion was created amongst Americans that Pakistan was an ally and Iraq, Iran and North Korea formed an “axis of evil” who need to be invaded though they had hardly anything to do with 9/11.
3) BJP is a Nazi-like party which would make make Indians believe that all physics stemmed from ancient Hindu texts, and exterminate Abrahamists in India. In contrast, the GOP is a legitimate political party – nobody quibbles too much about their evangelist fundamentalist support base which wants to convert all Hindus or insane policies in the Middle East (hey, how come no one is talking of Moslems dying there?) or the inclination to have intelligent design as an alternative to biology.
4) Jared Diamond’s book GGS is a must read and its universalist history is the correct picture of the making of the modern world for a young high school student.

These manufactured majority opinions soon make any questioner look like fool — in a city of nuts a sane man looks nutty. Along with these majority opinions certain norms or fashion are also encouraged in society such that everyone wants to conform to them — the same hair styles, the similar hair colors, similar opinions on what is “cool”.

We do not live in a perfect world, but it does amuse one to see how seriously educated adult people take their opinion on so many issues, without even suspecting that they have been manufactured for them.



https://manasataramgini.wordpress.c...cture-of-opinion-and-suppression-of-freedoms/
 

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Why the Anglosphere needs to be stopped
September 7, 2014 Rakesh Krishnan Simha

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2014/09/07/why_the_anglosphere_needs_to_be_stopped_38119.html

Alarmed by the rise of the BRICS and their own relative decline, the English speaking countries are renewing and reinforcing familial ties.

The US, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are the five countries of the Anglosphere. Post World War II they are so closely allied and their intelligence networks so well integrated that you could say the Anglosphere is a single country spread across five separate territories.

It is well known that their militaries are well synced but did you know that all three US Army Corps have Canadian deputy commanders? Or that citizens of Anglo nations serve as important exchange or liaison officers with top US commands?

CIA whistleblower Edward Snowden has revealed the nature and extent of teamwork among the Anglosphere members. The Five Eyes spying network – which scoops up phone, fax and email data from across the world – has undoubtedly led to commercial, diplomatic and political benefits for all five Anglosphere members.

New world order

However, the Anglosphere isn’t what it used to be. After the triumphant post-Soviet phase, in recent years there has been a sense of economic and military decline in all the five English speaking countries. The dramatic impact of the BRICS’ growing clout has also unnerved them.

There is a palpable sense of fear in the Anglosphere countries that with their dominance gone, they cannot write the rules any more. In America Alone: The End Of The World As We Know It, Canadian author Mark Steyn sees the US and England “facing nothing so amiable and genteel as continental-style ‘decline’ but something more like sliding off a cliff”.

On the other side of the world, The Australian newspaper laments that Canberra has become Asia’s mine, dependent on supplying commodity exports to emerging economies such as China: “We are to be attendants to an emerging empire: providers of food, energy, resources, commodities and suppliers of services such as education, tourism, gambling/gaming, health (perhaps), and lifestyle property.”

Perhaps the tipping point – when the Anglosphere’s fear turned into panic – was Russia’s aggressive diplomacy that blocked the US from bombing Syria. This is hardly a small matter. The English speaking world was baying for President Bashar al-Assad’s blood. “Hit him hard” The Economist, the British mouthpiece, headlined.

But the Russian block – with BRICS backing – stymied those plans. The Anglosphere realised the world had changed considerably since 2003, when Saddam Hussein was overthrown, with few countries daring to protest the illegal act.

Crimea and Ukraine are two other instances where the Anglosphere finds itself isolated.

With their dominant status now a thing of the past, the Anglosphere countries are panicking at the prospect of international isolation and irrelevance. This is making them close ranks. In this backdrop, the five countries of British origin have been making a number of moves towards integration.

August 19, 2014. Following days of racial riots in the American city of Ferguson, Missouri, the state’s Lt. Governor Peter Kinder lashed out at the rioters for seeking justice in the streets, and bizarrely demanded “Anglo American” justice. “One of the great advances of Anglo-American civilisation is we do not have politicised trials,” he declared.

May 20, 2014. The UK governmentannounced that the US, UK, Australia and Canada are establishing combined space operations among their armed forces. “Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States have furthered their defence cooperation by establishing a partnership on combined space operations," it said.

January 14, 2014. Canada’s defence department announced the formal signing of a long-term partnership with the US Department of Defence. Among other things “this partnership permits the Canadian Space Operations Centre to coordinate and share unclassified information and data in support of government agencies”.

November 21, 2013. The US Air Force Space Command announced it would relocate a tracking radar from Antigua to Australia. It would also deploy a new DARPA-developed optical telescope there. The telescope is especially useful for monitoring geosynchronous orbit where major spy satellites are located.

September 24, 2012. Britain and Canada announced they will establish joint diplomatic missions and share embassy offices abroad. The proposals involve ‘co-locating’ embassies and sharing consular services in countries where one of the nations does not have an embassy. Australia and New Zealand already have such an arrangement in place.


Isolated, these developments may not be considered noteworthy. But they are part of a growing trend where the Anglosphere is closing ranks to form a more cohesive unit to increase their weight in global affairs. Considering the US economy is still a very large economy and its military power projection capability is unmatched, there is a good chance the group could bounce back.

The five Anglos have jointly fought together in almost all modern wars – in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Their ability to stick together during conflicts is a key reason why group leader US is able to rush forces into conflict zones.

Checkmating the Anglo revival

The great rival of this war-obsessed group was the Russian-led Soviet Union, which is now history. That leaves the BRICS as the only group with the ability to take on the Anglosphere. For, as surely as day follows night, the Anglos will come swinging back.

So it is imperative that somebody be in a position to stop these countries from trampling on small countries and destabilising larger ones. The good news is Russia and China are strongly committed to the BRICS becoming a more political group. Brazil – ever since Snowden revealed the US was spying on Brazilian leader Dilma Rousseff – is now strongly opposed to the US.

The problem country seems to be India. Last week it signed a $2.5 billion helicopter deal with the US, which had last year publicly arrested an Indian woman diplomat and then conducted a shameful – and unnecessary – cavity search on her.

Despite its involvement in the BRICS, India is acting like a fence sitter. To be sure, India’s behaviour may be because of two centuries of brainwashing and Anglicising. Only a brainwashed person could have said what India’s Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in 2005: “If there is one phenomenon on which the sun cannot set, it is the world of the English-speaking peoples, in which the people of Indian origin are the single largest component.”

Like Singh, there are plenty of Indians suffering from chronic Anglophilia, and are prone to make such shameful and factually wrong statements. The good news is they are growing old and will disappear soon. The bad news is the Anglosphere can dangle carrots – such as university education, jobs etc – before the young generation.

The best defence against the Anglosphere’s reemergence is for the BRICS to stick together. As they have shown in recent crises such as Crimea, Ukraine and Syria, this rainbow coalition can stop the lily-white Anglosphere. To be more effective, the BRICS must coalesce into a political union and join their military forces to form a rapid reaction force. The Anglosphere can only beat small nations to pulp so a militarised BRICS will be more than enough to stop them.

Such a policy needs to be implemented only up to 2050. By then the US is projected to be a Hispanic majority nation. With its leader gone, that should be the end of the Anglopshere.
 

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Such a policy needs to be implemented only up to 2050. By then the US is projected to be a Hispanic majority nation. With its leader gone, that should be the end of the Anglopshere.
Sir, I don't agree with this statement. As, USA is more than their "pop culture" and strongly believe in American exceptionalism. They have strong community , both social and corporate to back up their ideas.
 

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India and China are already in the anglosphere, Pax Americana is behind the rise of both countries. Without it there would be no Indian or Chinese economy as we know it. "Culture" is only a footnote in the bigger scheme of things.
 

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India and China are already in the anglosphere, Pax Americana is behind the rise of both countries. Without it there would be no Indian or Chinese economy as we know it. "Culture" is only a footnote in the bigger scheme of things.
While I would like to agree with your prepositions, I wish to ask you if Indian continent and china had any economy at 1800 AD when America and UK both were ancient tribals? Moreover you seem to forget the great Greek or Roman empires which vanished in historical movements ??? :frusty:

To all my understanding India and China contributed about 25 per cent of world GDP each at that time. This is not an assertion in the air by findings of many Economic Historians.

Even in India only 5% of the population would know English to be bracketed into Anglosphere, India was a good and great civilisation without English and can again become a great country without English.

Moreover, my understanding and definition of Angloshere is a little different - It is a sphere where The Anglos still can manipulate , control and direct things by utilisation of various kinds of influences and historical factors because they once controlled that area. The elites, media, corroborators, traitors, education, industry, social devide, and political aspirations.... like Kuwait, Iraq, Indian , Pakistan..


But Not China ....:daru:
 
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While I would like to agree with your prepositions, I wish to ask you if Indian continent and china had any economy at 1800 AD when America and UK both were ancient tribals? Moreover you seem to forget the great Greek or Roman empires which vanished in historical movements ??? :frusty:

To all my understanding India and China contributed about 25 per cent of world GDP each at that time. This is not an assertion in the air by findings of many Economic Historians.

Even in India only 5% of the population would know English to be bracketed into Anglosphere, India was a good and great civilisation without English and can again become a great country without English.

Moreover, my understanding and definition of Angloshere is a little different - It is a sphere where The Anglos still can manipulate , control and direct things by utilisation of various kinds of influences and historical factors because they once controlled that area. The elites, media, corroborators, traitors, education, industry, social devide, and political aspirations.... like Kuwait, Iraq, Indian , Pakistan..


But Not China ....:daru:
While I would like to agree with your prepositions, I wish to ask you if Indian continent and china had any economy at 1800 AD when America and UK both were ancient tribals? Moreover you seem to forget the great Greek or Roman empires which vanished in historical movements ??? :frusty:

To all my understanding India and China contributed about 25 per cent of world GDP each at that time. This is not an assertion in the air by findings of many Economic Historians.

Even in India only 5% of the population would know English to be bracketed into Anglosphere, India was a good and great civilisation without English and can again become a great country without English.

Moreover, my understanding and definition of Angloshere is a little different - It is a sphere where The Anglos still can manipulate , control and direct things by utilisation of various kinds of influences and historical factors because they once controlled that area. The elites, media, corroborators, traitors, education, industry, social devide, and political aspirations.... like Kuwait, Iraq, Indian , Pakistan..


But Not China ....:daru:
You missed out the industrial revolution, because coal was too expensive to ship...unlike in Europe. You are only hitchhikers in the modern economy. We cant change the past or know the future, so lets enjoy this day. Maybe new economic revolution will start from India. Or maybe somewhere else.

http://www.weforum.org/reports/global-competitiveness-report-2014-2015

 

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You missed out the industrial revolution, because coal was too expensive to ship...unlike in Europe. You are only hitchhikers in the modern economy. We cant change the past or know the future, so lets enjoy this day. Maybe new economic revolution will start from India. Or maybe somewhere else.

http://www.weforum.org/reports/global-competitiveness-report-2014-2015

Yup ... we missed the industrial revolution..
There are thousand of reasons including invasions and colonization but the fact remains India missed a very "hard" and "fundamental" stage in human development.
Anyway I hope your govt. loosens that pension fund you have ... else it will contract due to inflation.
 

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