Anglosphere - India's Future?

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Again you are not looking at the big picture. How the hell is the environment going to change from pure leftist BS to a classical liberal one when everyone one in their age is fed the same BS about leftism? And the ones you talk about those who go with the flow without any opinion are most like going to go with the flow again when you try reasoning about classical liberalism. They are more likely to nod to your pressure to reason than come to a decision on their own, seeing how they dint come to a conclusion in their schools and college. So how does one bring about classic liberal thinking as majority here?

And seriously you should take up my challenge. It is fun and would teach you a lot more than you think.
This is blue blood Silicon Valley, literally the only places where leftism is the consensus opinion is amongst high school seniors. Even in the famed leftist Berkeley, leftists are a minority and at Stanford they are a shunned outcaste. On the east coast things are different, but out here libertarianism is quite a strong force. Even if she ended up at a college and made leftist friends, when she got out she would have to find a job, and all the cool kids want to work in finance/vc/consulting, the nerdy ones in engineering and the more grounded ones become doctors. In none of those fields could you survive as a leftist.

Since you insist, she called me for help on the homework assignment, saying that she looked for sources in american texts which legitimized the thesis that her teacher had proposed, but hadn't found any and was perplexed since "it was so obviously true". I said she was unlikely to find much, unless she looked into the writings of confederate leaders. She ended up writing that there was an interest amongst some southerners in maintaining their racial privilege, but by and large slavery was looked on as a problem but one too difficult to solve at that time. That sounds fair enough.
 
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This is blue blood Silicon Valley, literally the only places where leftism is the consensus opinion is amongst high school seniors. Even in the famed leftist Berkeley, leftists are a minority and at Stanford they are a shunned outcaste. On the east coast things are different, but out here libertarianism is quite a strong force. Even if she ended up at a college and made leftist friends, when she got out she would have to find a job

Since you insist, she called me for help on the homework assignment, saying that she looked for sources in american texts which legitimized the thesis that her teacher had proposed, but hadn't found any and was perplexed since "it was so obviously true". I said she was unlikely to find much, unless she looked into the writings of confederate leaders. She ended up writing that there was an interest amongst some southerners in maintaining their racial privilege, but by and large slavery was looked on as a problem but one too difficult to solve. That sounds fair enough.
Hmm. You say only high school is leftist. Interesting. I heard that all colleges are Marxist dens in US except economics and business colleges. Is that false?

Also, people who likely don't have an opinion by end of their college are unlikely to have an opinion at any point in their life. They always go with the flow.

And unfortunately the present flow is overwhelmingly leftist among the youth of USA(people <40). The conservatives are very old demographic. Even the MSM is so full of shit, and the Hollywood, including its TV is full of shit.I don't know on what basis you claim that these leftists get sense knocked into them by their working a job. Even there they are fed a massive entitlement about how they are supposed to hate their employers , CEOs and rich if we go by the TVs and Hollywood
 

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BTW, just read that MI6 Facilitated the deal between Pakistan and Afghan, to make Afghan a terrorist background of Pakistan. So the Anglosphere can officially go fuck itself now
 

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Some departments at college (feminist studies, minority studies etc) are dominated by leftists, who tend to be very noisy and control the campus newspapers etc. Most kids aren't political and are more interested in partying, being popular and studying enough to get a job or into a grad school that would meet their parents' expectation & enough prestige to keep up with their peers.
 

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This is hilarious. I think even a leftist jhola-chaap moron from JNU thinks bigger for India, an idea in which India grows into the most prosperous and the most powerful nation in the world. Any self-respecting nation will strive to preserve her native culture and a powerful and prosperous India will do the same.

Nations do not run on the basis of Profit-and-Loss. Take Russia for example.

We do not wish to become another Japan or South Korea. Why join them when we can rule over them?
 

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Hmm. You say only high school is leftist. Interesting. I heard that all colleges are Marxist dens in US except economics and business colleges. Is that false?

Also, people who likely don't have an opinion by end of their college are unlikely to have an opinion at any point in their life. They always go with the flow.

And unfortunately the present flow is overwhelmingly leftist among the youth of USA(people <40). The conservatives are very old demographic. Even the MSM is so full of shit, and the Hollywood, including its TV is full of shit.I don't know on what basis you claim that these leftists get sense knocked into them by their working a job. Even there they are fed a massive entitlement about how they are supposed to hate their employers , CEOs and rich if we go by the TVs and Hollywood
Yeah but the kids in my cousin's milieu are more likely to be employers, investors, executives and rich (like their parents). They aren't a majority by any means, but within that consensus you cannot be a leftist. And this is America, the dollar reigns supreme, so the main question is what the people in power think.
 

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This is hilarious. I think even a leftist jhola-chaap moron from JNU thinks bigger for India, an idea in which India grows into the most prosperous and the most powerful nation in the world. Any self-respecting nation will strive to preserve her native culture and a powerful and prosperous India will do the same.

Nations do not run on the basis of Profit-and-Loss. Take Russia for example.

We do not wish to become another Japan or South Korea. Why join them when we can rule over them?
:laugh: . yeah true, an India which is haven for jihadis and evangelicals but nevertheless an independent country
 

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Yeah but the kids in my cousin's milieu are more likely to be employers, investors, executives and rich (like their parents). They aren't a majority by any means, but within that consensus you cannot be a leftist. And this is America, the dollar reigns supreme, so the main question is what the people in power think.
Exactly. Unless you change that, trying to reason with the consensus is rather tiresome and inefficient. Its not even efficacious. The only way to combat it is to correct the education. Nothing else can change it
 

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Exactly. Unless you change that, trying to reason with the consensus is rather tiresome and inefficient. Its not even efficacious. The only way to combat it is to correct the education. Nothing else can change it
By the way, your writing sounds quite American, but your flag says India. Have you been here a lot? (I don't mean your English, rather the way you argue)
 

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You don't reason with the consensus to convert them to your full worldview, because as I think we agree, most people aren't that interesting in having a political worldview. You challenge the consensus on a piecemeal basis issue by issue. You just need to tilt it a bit in your favor, and things like this happen:

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-pace-of-social-change/
 

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By the way, your writing sounds quite American, but your flag says India. Have you been here a lot? (I don't mean your English, rather the way you argue)
No, I have not visited US even once. What you are saying is an example of the Power of American culture.:frown:

The power which it is going to lose soon thanks to its Marxism if not corrected :truestory:
 

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No, I have not visited US even once. What you are saying is an example of the Power of American culture.:frown:

The power which it is going to lose soon thanks to its Marxism if not corrected :truestory:
Well then, all the better :) You are proof that India is producing classical liberals despite your own claims.
 

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Or rather, still producing them. Of course there was Rajaji & the swatantra party. Btw, are you familiar with http://swarajyamag.com/ ? I just found it a few weeks ago, seems to be a revival of that party's official magazine.
 

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Well then, all the better :) You are proof that India is producing classical liberals despite your own claims.
That's because I never was a socialist from my schools. And I was the only one in my family to be that way. Then I converted all of my family members to free market :wink:. Then again, most of my cousins and their families brought up are socialists and proudly so. Guess who outnumbers who?

Your style will produce classical liberals now and then yes, but for it to become a mainstream thought or the majority, it must be instilled in schools.
 

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Or rather, still producing them. Of course there was Rajaji & the swatantra party. Btw, are you familiar with http://swarajyamag.com/ ? I just found it a few weeks ago, seems to be a revival of that party's official magazine.
Again dude they are minority of a minority. They can do jackshit in the political arena on their own and again even if they do manage something, it usually requires a huge energy in relation to what they are accomplishing. Much easier will be to clean up the educational institutes.
 

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Yeah well good luck to this approach.
I'm telling you it works. One of the things we were indoctrinated in when I was in middle school was the drug war. There were all sorts of programs with Orwellian acronyms. And when I got to college and tried to make a principled argument for drug legalization, everyone thought I was an extremist. These were people who smoked weed at least occasionally, and saw no contradiction in their position. These were people who supported Obama, who in his own autobiography admitted to using cocaine and weed, and who saw (and sees) little contradiction in the fact that had he been caught doing so his life could have been ruined.

Now the opinion is shifting. Few think the drug war is a success, most want to legalize at least weed and de-criminalize other drugs (treat them as health problems rather than criminal ones).
 

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Stick to your convictions, try to convince one friend to change their opinion on one issue, and then move on to another friend and another issue. Write publicly, use social media, make it known where you stand. I'm not saying your not doing this, but you seem too pessimistic.

By the way, that magazine has nearly 40k facebook followers in just a few months of existence.
 

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Stick to your convictions, try to convince one friend to change their opinion on one issue, and then move on to another friend and another issue. Write publicly, use social media, make it known where you stand. I'm not saying your not doing this, but you seem too pessimistic.

By the way, that magazine has nearly 40k facebook followers in just a few months of existence.
Go and check the following of other mags which are overwhelmingly left . 40k is hardly anything in India.
 

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40k who are relentless, resourceful, determined and rational will beat 100m given enough time.
 

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