'Ancient Indian Planes Could Travel From One Planet to Another'

[Peter]

There are takers of this, atleast History Channel believe it in too in their famous Ancient Alien series and seems obsessed with it too.

Yeah who can forget this man. Hs has become famous. Strange how nutjobs like this "everything aliens" guy become famous but real scientists hardly get their due.

 

[Mad Indian]

I know that you are excellent of showing old Indian inventions and glorious kingdoms as a proof of "Indian Greatness", but isn't this a little too much. Try to make the Tejas ready first and concentrate on these planes later. Maybe Tejas project was also actually started already that time? Talk about long development period...

When your people were raping and looting and were basically barbarians, our ancestors were dreaming about making aeroplanes and stuff. Thats an achievement in and of itself. Now stop embarassing yourself on a regular basis with such nonsense posts

And We have already inducted Tejas into our IAF. How many warplanes have your country designed and made??

 

[Mad Indian]

The point which people here fail to realise(even the right wing Hindus) is that these imaginations themselves merit a damn medal on their own.

Think about, our civilisation was so advanced even 5000 years back that we had the time and culture to think about flying machines(not saying they invented these stuff) instead of thinking about looting the neighbors and taking their food like the barbaric Finns at the time.

The reason why works like "Thirukkural" , "Vedas" , "Puranas" etc are such big indicator of our past glory is because it is a testimony of our cultural progress at the time! No one in an empty stomach is going to write about principles to live by. No King is going to patronise creation of arts and culture when his kingdom is starving. It means that our civilisation was wealthy enough to have conquered the poverty of its time(compared to its neighbors and less civilised barbarians like the Finns at the time for instance) , so that it was ready to involve in producing arts and culture.

Why is that USA is the present cultural superpower of the world? Why is that whatever they introduce in Hollywood/broadway is aped in the world? BEcause they are most economically sophisticated country in the world right now and hence their civilisation has moved on from combating poverty to culture and arts. This was the sophistication of our ancestors 5000 years back my dear friends. And that is the reason we should be proud about these works!


I mean we had a working government, working principles of kings and his responsibilities, and code of conduct during warfare at a time when most of the world was populated by barbarians who just raided and looted their neighbouring barbarians(like the Finns of modern day Finland). It took the european morons 20th century to come up with Geneva Conventions(something our ancestors came up with 3000 years earlier on the conduct of your armies during wars) . Is that not an achievement?

Other than that, claims like we already "invented" flying machines are just complete garbage! @jouni @Peter @Razor

 

[DingDong]

I know that you are excellent of showing old Indian inventions and glorious kingdoms as a proof of "Indian Greatness", but isn't this a little too much. Try to make the Tejas ready first and concentrate on these planes later. Maybe Tejas project was also actually started already that time? Talk about long development period...

Last time I checked, India has reached Mars and Finland (whatever) has not.

 

[sorcerer]

The point which people here fail to realise(even the right wing Hindus) is that these imaginations themselves merit a damn medal on their own.

Think about, our civilisation was so advanced even 5000 years back that we had the time and culture to think about flying machines(not saying they invented these stuff) instead of thinking about looting the neighbors and taking their food like the barbaric Finns at the time.

The reason why works like "Thirukkural" , "Vedas" , "Puranas" etc are such big indicator of our past glory is because it is a testimony of our cultural progress at the time! No one in an empty stomach is going to write about principles to live by. No King is going to patronise creation of arts and culture when his kingdom is starving. It means that our civilisation was wealthy enough to have conquered the poverty of its time(compared to its neighbors and less civilised barbarians like the Finns at the time for instance) , so that it was ready to involve in producing arts and culture.

Why is that USA is the present cultural superpower of the world? Why is that whatever they introduce in Hollywood/broadway is aped in the world? BEcause they are most economically sophisticated country in the world right now and hence their civilisation has moved on from combating poverty to culture and arts. This was the sophistication of our ancestors 5000 years back my dear friends. And that is the reason we should be proud about these works!


I mean we had a working government, working principles of kings and his responsibilities, and code of conduct during warfare at a time when most of the world was populated by barbarians who just raided and looted their neighbouring barbarians(like the Finns of modern day Finland). It took the european morons 20th century to come up with Geneva Conventions(something our ancestors came up with 3000 years earlier on the conduct of your armies during wars) . Is that not an achievement?

Other than that, claims like we already "invented" flying machines are just complete garbage! @jouni @Peter @Razor

Yes. All these are about the rich imagination and workable logic people thought of those days.. The half witted civilzations (so called) today cannot understand or dont want to accept the fact that there existed civilizations, not just India, but be it Egyptian or Greek who were far superior in workable logic.

Peope in ancient India... they thought about flying machines or inter space travel and tried to visualize the neccecities associted with it. Their imaginations are more Logical. (Like..food for space travel made should be made into paste form...which ofcourse is practiced today. Meaning logic those days seem more practical.)

...Oh yeah..Da Vinci drew some flying machines. BUt i didnt think he made any but he is considered a genius..

These days people think about having a lil graphical LIKE button or 'UnLike' buttons.or Poke Buttons... Wow!! thats progress!!!

 

[Bangalorean]

The point which people here fail to realise(even the right wing Hindus) is that these imaginations themselves merit a damn medal on their own.

Think about, our civilisation was so advanced even 5000 years back that we had the time and culture to think about flying machines(not saying they invented these stuff) instead of thinking about looting the neighbors and taking their food like the barbaric Finns at the time.

The reason why works like "Thirukkural" , "Vedas" , "Puranas" etc are such big indicator of our past glory is because it is a testimony of our cultural progress at the time! No one in an empty stomach is going to write about principles to live by. No King is going to patronise creation of arts and culture when his kingdom is starving. It means that our civilisation was wealthy enough to have conquered the poverty of its time(compared to its neighbors and less civilised barbarians like the Finns at the time for instance) , so that it was ready to involve in producing arts and culture.

Why is that USA is the present cultural superpower of the world? Why is that whatever they introduce in Hollywood/broadway is aped in the world? BEcause they are most economically sophisticated country in the world right now and hence their civilisation has moved on from combating poverty to culture and arts. This was the sophistication of our ancestors 5000 years back my dear friends. And that is the reason we should be proud about these works!


I mean we had a working government, working principles of kings and his responsibilities, and code of conduct during warfare at a time when most of the world was populated by barbarians who just raided and looted their neighbouring barbarians(like the Finns of modern day Finland). It took the european morons 20th century to come up with Geneva Conventions(something our ancestors came up with 3000 years earlier on the conduct of your armies during wars) . Is that not an achievement?

Other than that, claims like we already "invented" flying machines are just complete garbage! @jouni @Peter @Razor

Agreed, well said!!

I wish the stupid morons who make such statements like "we invented everything in the world" realize how to make the distinction you are speaking of.

 

[hit&run]

We are hearing such stories since childhood, no one took it seriously then no one going to do the same now. But suddenly there is a surge in News articles publishing such comments and then trying to associate it with a particular political thinking to portray that since they have come into power the scientific thinking in India has gone to the dogs and gradually being made recessive.

 

[rock127]

Innovation starts from a thought process so unless there is a thought or idea, no innovation can happen.It's no secret that foreigners stole ideas from ancient scriptures and then innovated it.

We have innovative brains but not enough resources to do so but things would catch up at snails speed.Thanks to our corrupt leaders.

 

[maomao]

Theoretical knowledge of flying was known to ancient Indians, as in the case many other civilizations. No body is saying we were interstellar travelers. However, disregarding old texts and theories is very secular in this nation and portraying India in perpetual dark ages is what the secular / leftist notion has been for various reasons, one being western civilization is more advanced than any and obviously the pay masters of secular morons which are religious zealots would like to portray ancient non-abrahmical past as something pagan and heretic devoured of Science which infact was the condition of Abrahmical faiths (believing in all sort of pagan beliefs including Heaven and Hell, Devil etc)

Vaimānika Shāstra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Vymaanika-Shaastra Index

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivkar_Bapuji_Talpade

 

[jouni]

When your people were raping and looting and were basically barbarians, our ancestors were dreaming about making aeroplanes and stuff. Thats an achievement in and of itself. Now stop embarassing yourself on a regular basis with such nonsense posts

And We have already inducted Tejas into our IAF. How many warplanes have your country designed and made??

Finland has developed one fighter and two training planes ingeniously: Myrsky, Vinka and RediGO. Myrsky was a little bit unlucky though, they used wrong glue which did not stand Finnish weather and the planes fell apart in mid air. We had to stick to ME 109´s after that. I hope Tejas has brighter future.

 

[Peter]

Theoretical knowledge of flying was known to ancient Indians, as in the case many other civilizations. No body is saying we were interstellar travelers. However, disregarding old texts and theories is very secular in this nation and portraying India in perpetual dark ages is what the secular / leftist notion has been for various reasons, one being western civilization is more advanced than any and obviously the pay masters of secular morons which are religious zealots would like to portray ancient non-abrahmical past as something pagan and heretic devoured of Science which infact was the condition of Abrahmical faiths (believing in all sort of pagan beliefs including Heaven and Hell, Devil etc)

Vaimānika Shāstra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Vymaanika-Shaastra Index

Shivkar Bapuji Talpade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I had already posted this in an earlier thread but I am posting this pdf again. Shivkar Bapuji Talpade`s works had been critically examined by IISC,Bangalore and they called it "poor concoctions". Here`s the pdf and a link to it.

http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Port...l/ACriticalStudyOfTheWorkVaimanikaShastra.pdf

The conclusion from the pdf.

3. General Comments and
Conclusions
Any reader by now would have
concluded the obvious – that the
planes described above are the
best poor concoctions, rather than
expressions of something real.
None of the planes has properties
or capabilities of being flown; the--
geometries are unimaginably
horrendous from the point of view
of flying; and the principles of
propulsion make then resist rather
than assist flying.
The text and the drawings do not
correlate with each other even
thematically. The drawings
definitely point to a knowledge of
modern machinery. This can be
explained on the basis of the fact
that Shri Ellappa who made the
drawings was in a local engineering
college and was thus familiar with
names and details of some
machinery. Of course the text
retains a structure in language and
content from which its 'recent
nature' cannot be asserted. We
must hasten to point out that this
does not imply an oriental nature
of the text at all.- -All that may be
said is that thematically the
drawings ought to be ruled out of
discussion. And the text, as it
stands, is incomplete and
ambiguous by itself and incorrect
at many places.
A large number of verses has been
devoted to the metallurgical and
material aspects, as stated earlier.Scientific Opinion--/ 12-- - 1974
Also, a number of cross references
indicated in BVS belong to the
subject of materials. (Incidentally,
these references are not to be
found in VS.) This is
understandable since our people
were leaders in this field in earlier
times. A number of materials made
of iron, brass, and bronze, in
existence since times immemorial
and even till this day, are proofs
enough of this feature.
Yet the description of materials and
their making in the text do not
seem to make much sense from
the point of view of making them in
actual practice.
Be this as it may, the text raises
some peripheral questions. One of
them concerns the kind of units
used.---The basic text uses 'vitasti'
for length, 'link' for speed, 'kaksha'
for heat, & 'link' again for electrical
force. The units of speed and
temperature are new and, to the
best of our knowledge, do not have
any easily decipherable meaning.
Some effort was made to
determine the internal consistency
of these units, but this did not
prove successful.
Also, no data have been given
about the weights of crafts and
their components. This is serious
since weight is fundamental to the
flying of heavier"than"air machines.
Moreover, the unit of mass does
not even appear anywhere is the
text.

Still one should not rule out any future discoveries that may have been hidden from us or has been long forgotten.


Anyway my point is that we Indians have many known discoveries like our own Sridhara Acharya`s Equation,the game of Chess and Tower of Brahma problem. India was IMHO the most advanced nation in mathematics and in philosophy during the classical era. Sadly the rot started with multiple invasions India faced which destroyed the livelihood of the Brahmins and other thinkers. What I cannot understand it why this captain is not highlighting the works of Shridhara Acharya(who was born in Hughli,Bengal) or the tower of Brahma problem.

Also captain Bodas is not affiliated with any political party as per the papers. He just seems to be a ignoramus.

Sridhara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Everyone probably knows this equation for solving quadratic equation.


Tower of Hanoi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(You/All DFIans should definitely check out the Tower of Brahma article on Wikipedia. It shows the ability of ancient Indian mathematicians to deal with really large numbers .)

Also we should not forget that the lifespan of one yuga and the age of Brahma were all done by our Hindu mathematicians. In fact Hinduism played a role in the development of mathematics. The reason why a number like 2^64-1 was thought of by our sages because it signified the end of the universe.
Sadly captain Bodas does not know of this true inventions of Indians and that`s why he is spreading pseudo science in Indian Science Congress.

Day of Brahma
With regard to Brahmā's day and night, each consists of 14 of his hours or 4.32 billion human years. "Brahma has four heads" (ÅšrÄ«mad Bhāgavatam 12.8.2–5)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma

Another example why Hinduism and mathematics went hand in hand with each other.

Satyaloka – abode of Brahmā[edit]
Satyaloka is by 120,000,000 yojanas above Tapoloka. Thus the distance from the Sun to Satyaloka is 233,800,000 yojanas, or 1,870,400,000 miles. The Vaikuṇṭha planets begin 26,200,000 yojanas (209,600,000 miles) above Satyaloka. "In the Padma Purāṇam it has been definitely stated that on the four sides of the spiritual sky there are four different transcendental abodes occupied by Vāsudeva, Sankarṣaṇa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha respectively. So also in the material sky also they are similarly placed on all the four sides. The Vaikuṇṭha sphere which is covered with spiritual water is inhabited by Vāsudeva and this Vaikuṇṭha is known as Devavatipur. Above the Satyaloka there is Viṣṇuloka where Sankarṣaṇa resides. In the middle of the Ocean of Milk there is an island called Śvetadvipa which is resided in by Aniruddha lying on the bed of Ananta."(Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila, Chapter 5

The above article shows that the reason why Indians valued zero and were able to operate on large numbers. I think it was religious zeal that led to the development of Indian mathematics.

@jouni @maomao @tarunraju @Mad Indian @Razor

I now hope you can understand why we stick to facts. We do not have any shortage of mathematical classics. One should show these things rather than claiming interstellar flight.

 

[jouni]

I had already posted this in an earlier thread but I am posting this pdf again. Shivkar Bapuji Talpade`s works had been critically examined by IISC,Bangalore and they called it "poor concoctions". Here`s the pdf and a link to it.

http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Port...l/ACriticalStudyOfTheWorkVaimanikaShastra.pdf

The conclusion from the pdf.



Still one should not rule out any future discoveries that may have been hidden from us or has been long forgotten.


Anyway my point is that we Indians have many known discoveries like our own Sridhara Acharya`s Equation,the game of Chess and Tower of Brahma problem. India was IMHO the most advanced nation in mathematics and in philosophy during the classical era. Sadly the rot started with multiple invasions India faced which destroyed the livelihood of the Brahmins and other thinkers. What I cannot understand it why this captain is not highlighting the works of Shridhara Acharya(who was born in Hughli,Bengal) or the tower of Brahma problem.

Also captain Bodas is not affiliated with any political party as per the papers. He just seems to be a ignoramus.

Sridhara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Everyone probably knows this equation for solving quadratic equation.


Tower of Hanoi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(You/All DFIans should definitely check out the Tower of Brahma article on Wikipedia. It shows the ability of ancient Indian mathematicians to deal with really large numbers .)

Also we should not forget that the lifespan of one yuga and the age of Brahma were all done by our Hindu mathematicians. In fact Hinduism played a role in the development of mathematics. The reason why a number like 2^64-1 was thought of by our sages because it signified the end of the universe.
Sadly captain Bodas does not know of this true inventions of Indians and that`s why he is spreading pseudo science in Indian Science Congress.



Brahma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another example why Hinduism and mathematics went hand in hand with each other.



The above article shows that the reason why Indians valued zero and were able to operate on large numbers. I think it was religious zeal that led to the development of Indian mathematics.

@jouni @maomao @tarunraju @Mad Indian @Razor

I now hope you can understand why we stick to facts. We do not have any shortage of mathematical classics. One should show these things rather than claiming interstellar flight.

Yes, quite impressive. Zero really is a great Indian invention, something that still today represents the Indian progress in many fields of life. Mathematics is one of Indian strenghts.

 

[Free Karma]

Here is a plastic surgeon from the U.S talking about the older methods of surgery, and also gives us a chart of older tools used for surgery in India

Original Indian ones:

The entire article is worth reading, it traces the origins, methodology, tools of surgery in India, and it's spread to other parts of the world.
The Impact of Indian Methods for Total Nasal Reconstruction · Larry S. Nichter, MD

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

VEDIC science is yet to be explored by modern scientists. So, " NO COMMENTS "........

 

[Razor]

Guys @Mad Indian @Peter and others interested.

I once heard the story of a princess named Revati.
The princess was so beautiful, her father decided that he will ask Lord Brahma for his advice of the best man for the princess.

When the king and the princess arrived at Brahma;s abode, Brahma was watching a celestial dance (kinda like a party), so they waited for the dance to get over.
After sometime the dance was over and the king got a chance to speak to Brahma and he said to Big B that her daughter was too good and he needed Big B's advice on which of these men (that the king had preselected) would be best for her.
Brahma started laughing and said that all these men have perished and so have their children and their grand-children. In fact even their lineages have perished. The king was astonished and saddened.
Then Brahma told him that it's okay relax, Krishna and Balarama are present on Earth now. Go quick.

Anyway the point is the idea of time dilation is discussed here and it was discussed by so called "modern" world at the time of Einstein onlee (relativity.)

Interestingly in that story when the King and Princess go back to their realm on Earth they see that mankind has actually degraded. The environment shittier, man smaller and dumber. So who knows. But atleast the princess gets Balarama. :thumb:

Also @Peter read that post #32 again (esp the second sentence). Have you really understood what the sneaky one is saying ?

 

[DingDong]

HC Verma's Physics book quotes a Sanskrit Shloka from none other than Rigveda which gives correct figure for Speed of Light up to two decimal places. Wonderful isn't it? That is our most ancient Scripture. The Hymn can be found on the WIKI link given below.

Sayana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Portions of this person's work on Vedas were reproduced by Max Muller.

 

[The Messiah]

Nonsense like this results in genuine Indian inventions to be mocked as fraud

A thousand year into the future if some person invents the wrap drive then star trek should be given credit for inventing it instead of the person who invented it, ie if we go by the logic used here.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its too early to comment anything about ourselves to International community without proper solid logic and proof to back it up ..

One should follow China about restoring their cultural and historic near past, We Indians on other hand are nearly blank about our past`s cultural and historical events and technology, Under Colonial rule which even today influence our society design to think ourselves inferior ..

Disbelieve is a wrong approach, Research is proper way to unveil the truth within these claims ..

 

[Peter]

Guys @Mad Indian @Peter and others interested.

I once heard the story of a princess named Revati.
The princess was so beautiful, her father decided that he will ask Lord Brahma for his advice of the best man for the princess.

When the king and the princess arrived at Brahma;s abode, Brahma was watching a celestial dance (kinda like a party), so they waited for the dance to get over.
After sometime the dance was over and the king got a chance to speak to Brahma and he said to Big B that her daughter was too good and he needed Big B's advice on which of these men (that the king had preselected) would be best for her.
Brahma started laughing and said that all these men have perished and so have their children and their grand-children. In fact even their lineages have perished. The king was astonished and saddened.
Then Brahma told him that it's okay relax, Krishna and Balarama are present on Earth now. Go quick.

Anyway the point is the idea of time dilation is discussed here and it was discussed by so called "modern" world at the time of Einstein onlee (relativity.)

Interestingly in that story when the King and Princess go back to their realm on Earth they see that mankind has actually degraded. The environment shittier, man smaller and dumber. So who knows. But atleast the princess gets Balarama. :thumb:

Also @Peter read that post #32 again (esp the second sentence). Have you really understood what the sneaky one is saying ?

Nice post. TIL.
ALso another Indian sage had predicted about Anu or small particle which makes up matter about 2000 years before Rutherford`s experiment. The fact is we have several inventions/discoveries which are there and can easily be highlighted in that Science meet. We do not need to highlight things that captain did.

As for @jouni `s comment I re read it and removed my like. He seems to be devious in his words.

 

[jouni]

Its too early to comment anything about ourselves to International community without proper solid logic and proof to back it up ..

One should follow China about restoring their cultural and historic near past, We Indians on other hand are nearly blank about our past`s cultural and historical events and technology, Under Colonial rule which even today influence our society design to think ourselves inferior ..

Disbelieve is a wrong approach, Research is proper way to unveil the truth within these claims ..

I agree that you have inferiority issues. Finns are also blamed for being too modest and feel inferior when it is not needed. I have noticed that we have nowhere nearly as big problems as we think compared to Indians. Many people in this forum seems to be levelheaded and I think you also can grow healthy self esteem as time goes by.