An end to socialist elitism?

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  1. Ray

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    Much that one may carp about 'Nehruvian socialism', in so far as contributing to the industrialisation by building mega projects in steel manufacturing and hydroelectric projects, one has to credit Nehru for the foundation that he laid.

    It maybe true that that type of 'socialism' has gone past its expiry date.

    However, what is dangerous and which has brought gloom and doom to India is the 'elitist socialism', where people using the constrictions that the socialist path entails have build personality cults, and used the same to feather their own nests and promote their loved and near ones. i.e. an oligarchy in the guise of socialist, secular democracy.

    With the advent of rank outsiders like Modi and his band of brothers, that era seems to have gone, or at least, will be less visible since many in the current dispensation, are of the old stock of ideas and have had a long stint of privileged lifestyle in Delhi.

    What is a breath of fresh air is that Poverty will no longer be worn as a badge of condescending discourse and honour to get rid of, but never rid of since it will rob the very leverage that the washed have over the unwashed.

    Omar Obdullah wondered how can Modi trust ministers when he clamps down that secretaries are not be chosen by them alone. Or for that matter no PA can be a relative of the Minister.

    One would rather applaud that this is what is being told of the Ministers. Old hats who have been secretaries to the last dispensation are the ones who are willow trees, which can bend real low to suit the purpose. Therefore, keeping them away will be the first step, hopefully effective, from Ministers of the current dispensation falling prey to the allures that ruined the last dispensation.

    And why must relatives think that a Ministership of a kin is a free lunch? That is the first step to easing the route to corruption. Can one so quickly forget the 'Mama' case of Bansal?

    Whatever step this Govt has taken has let some fresh air in. Let there be greater tail wind so that India progress and rises from elitist socialism to clean governance.

    It will be difficult to clear the cobwebs of the 'elitist' and its remnant since they infest the political class across the spectrum. But Modi being Modi, autocrat to many such elitist baggage of yore, if you will, gives hope.

    Let us have a new India with new hopes and liberate ourselves from all this corruption, to the extent possible (it is difficult to wash six decades of corrupt practices in one day), nepotism and various restrictive obstacles of being Indians and not people living in a geographical define who are constantly celebrating their differences and extracting concessions and sops to aggrandise their singularity.
     
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    Any opinions on the above?
     
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    High time to kill old nehruvian/ gandhian edited philosophy.
     
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    The 2014 election had some similarities with the French revolution. In the French revolution the people cut of the heads of the monarchy and the elites, while in 2014 election the people have made their heads hang in shame.

    In both the cases the elites were oblivious of the ground realities of the masses. "Let them eat cake" was the phrase supposedly used by Queen Marie Antoinette when she heard that the peasants did not even have bread to eat. Congress leaders also mocked the poor of the country by claiming the you can have meal for Rs.5 anywhere in India. The crown prince of India Rahul baba saying "poverty is a state of mind" is like spitting in the face of the people who can barely make two ends meet. After 65 years of independence we still have people living of subsistence. Its a shame for all of us that we have allowed such a party to rule over us for 60 years after independence. Its a about time they are kicked out from all the states as well so that we can see a change in this socialist elitism which still exist in the Congress.
     
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    This was the most humiliating moment I experienced when I read this in the British newspaper, The Guardian.

    And watch that picture. The paper seems to suggest that Miliband's accommodation was the cow shed!

    What was this scion of luxurious, privileged and cocooned lifestyle of Delhi, Monseigneur R Gandhi, trying to show David Miliband, esq?

    What spirit was he showing Miliband?

    That inspite of the best efforts of the politicians to keep India poor and illiterate, the common folks can still bear it on the chin?

    And why did he take him there? To indicate that Rahul Gandhi understood poverty and shared their poverty?

    He goes on foreign jaunts regularly and so does he not know how supercilious and snarky the British can be and that once again they will go to town about poverty and how India inspite of that want to launch satellite or make nuke bomb?

    Poverty tourism with the gaggle of British newshound surely does Indian prestige no good.

    The poor chap who understand so little of life thought he was doing a great favour to India by taking this British Joe on a Poverty Tourism!

    Everyone knows that there is poverty, but let us not display it with pride as if they were war wounds!
     
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    Well, Tavleen Singh is a forthright and bold sardarni who minces no words...
     
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    And quite a feisty lady too.

    I saw her on a TV show sometime back and she put Mani Shaker Aiyer in his place.
     
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    One thing I could not digest is the contradiction which these "socialist elitist" present . They are ardently left oriented , so talk all about freedom of every kind. You could see them professing about freedom anything and everywhere , from J&K to Kudankulam , from sexual relationship to their dream of post-modernism .
    But when it comes to policy making , they are supporter of "Right based approach" , which invariably make citizen dependent on State for everything that these rights profess. So limiting the choice given to a citizen.

    So why this contradiction is never argued by these "leftist intellectuals" ? , they must not be that dumb to see this contradiction.
     
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    These bloody socialist elites are the biggest hypocrites.They eat all the fruits of capitalism but deny the same to the ordinary masses.
     
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    and doesn't mind sleeping around with a Pakistani :troll:
     
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    @Ray sir will take a crack at it.

    Tavleen Singh is right on the money. The problem with Gandhis is that they somehow see themselves as benevolent god-kings. We have already seen that the one way to certainly ensure that people stay in poverty is to throwing money and schemes at them.

    It is amply clear to anyone who has seen the real India, and its strange juxtapositions that the only way out is via development. Sure when you see the kind of abject poverty it is easy to thinking of unleashing schemes and populist measures but the difference between leaders and idiots is the ability to discern and do what's best.

    For eg. 24 hour electricity will benefit each and everyone of us, but a 4% reservation for SCs will only benefit the creamy layer of SCs.
     
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    And after her separation she became most anti -pakstani in india . her writings related to pakistan reflect that
     
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    My take is :-

    Poverty is prevalent in large parts of our Land,because of a multitude of factors.
    No point harping on this theme, What is important is positive action by the masses.
    We need to get involved & how ?

    Well for starters there are 45 lakh Govt Servants drawing salaries from Rs 20,000/- to Rs 1,25,000/- PM
    If each one adopts/ sponsors just one child from a poor family( an organization can facilitate this) to educate him /her with 1% of personal salary, we will have 45 lakh children from poor families going to school. ( imagine a range of contribution from Rs 200 to Rs 1250).

    But we can talk & discuss socialism or any other ism & blow away 200 to 1000 bucks on chai ,pani , daru /gutka but never put our money where our mouth is?

    Education is the first step, next is hygiene & sanitation ( there are innovative ways to solve this issue as well)

    Next is job / work / involvement in National effort.

    Only the weak look up to the Sarkaar, we need to act proactively & positively as this is our land & these are our people

    This culture of reaching out & positive action has to get ingrained in our kids ( the next generation).
     
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    whats the problem if she had a pakistani boy friend...???
     
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    Socialism or no socialism - some things the govt must provide is basic education and health to the masses through decent govt schools and hospitals at least at district level with working PHCs.
     
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    Is that something new about Sardarjis?

    There was this about a prominent political Sikh's fascination about some lady from Pakistan, too!

    I am sure you are aware of it!

    You will again say I am being partisan about Delhi, just look around and see the living in chaps and chapnis; all communities, caste and religion

    And you will justify it by saying - Delhi rocks!

    [​IMG].
     
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  18. Ray

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    I could not agree with you any less.

    The time has come to face realities, but jobs must be on the table or else it will not gel.
     
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    That prominent political Sikh's entire family is well known for their fascination for the ladies.

    And being a male chauvinist society, it is certainly encouraged that the men be in charge.

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    Actually Delhi has a more "traditional" mentality in this way. Bombay is far more cosmopolitan, Delhi is getting there.
     
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    Defending Taseer ? Wow
     
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    Sir,

    What you are advocating is noble but Indians are loathe to donate or adopt. They would happily donate millions to Godmen and/or temples but not for social upliftment.

    Look at the temples, gurudwaras etc. rather than putting gold and marbles on them, use that money to help the poorer sections.
     

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