America's unhinged 'pivot'

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  1. DaTang

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    I really admire you guys courage and self esteem. now New Delhi based scholar calls on the US to contain China.
    who does he think he is, does India own America?

    Wednesday, Nov. 21, 2012

    America's unhinged 'pivot'

    By BRAHMA CHELLANEY

    NEW DELHI — U.S. President Barack Obama's first foreign trip since winning a second term highlights Asia's new centrality to America's economy and security. But Obama's Asian tour also underscores the main question about American policy in the region: Will the United States' "pivot" to Asia acquire concrete strategic content, or will it remain largely a rhetorical repackaging of old policies?

    The U.S., quick to capitalize on regional concerns triggered by China's increasingly muscular self-assertion, has strengthened its military ties with its existing Asian allies and forged security relationships with new friends. But the heady glow of America's return to center stage in Asia has obscured key challenges in remaining the region's principal security anchor in the face of China's strategic ambitions.

    One challenge is the need to arrest the erosion of America's relative power, which in turn requires comprehensive domestic renewal, including fiscal consolidation. But the need for spending cuts also raises the prospect that the U.S. might be unable to finance a military shift toward the Asia-Pacific region — or, worse, that it will be forced to retrench there.

    The U.S. under Obama has increasingly ceded ground to China, a trend that admittedly began when the Bush administration became preoccupied with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. This has spurred doubts about America's ability to provide strategic heft to its "pivot" by sustaining a higher level of commitment in the Asia-Pacific region, where it already maintains 320,000 troops. The proposed deployment of an additional 2,500 U.S. Marines in Australia is largely symbolic.

    In fact, after raising Asians' expectations of a more robust U.S. response to China's growing assertiveness, the Obama administration has started to tamp down the military aspects of its "pivot," emphasizing instead greater U.S. economic engagement. That change has come as a relief to those in the region who fear being forced to choose between the U.S. and China. But, for the countries bearing the brunt of China's recalcitrant approach to territorial and maritime disputes, this emphasis raises new doubts about America's commitment.

    In fact, the economic reorientation of the U.S. "pivot" corrects a policy that had overemphasized the military component and put the U.S. on a path toward conflict with China. It was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton who signaled a more hawkish U.S. stance on China with her tough talk at the 2010 Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Regional Forum in Hanoi; now she is moderating that position by promoting trade and investment during her visits to Asian countries.

    Obama, too, is highlighting the economic aspects of the U.S. "pivot," portraying his Asia tour as an effort to generate more domestic manufacturing jobs through higher exports to "the most rapidly growing and dynamic region in the world." Even his historic visit to Myanmar — the first ever by a U.S. president — is as much about trade as it is about weaning a strategically located, resource-rich country from Chinese influence.

    The refocus on trade and economic issues has also prompted Washington to promote the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which aims to create a new Asia-Pacific free-trade group that excludes China. Moreover, the U.S. is emphasizing the importance of the East Asia Summit and ASEAN, whose summit overlaps with the EAS meeting in Phnom Penh that Obama will be attending.

    The U.S. course correction is being dictated by another consideration as well: America has nothing to gain from taking sides in China's disputes with its neighbors — unless, of course, U.S. interests are directly at stake, as in the South China Sea, where Chinese maritime claims threaten freedom of navigation in some of the world's most heavily trafficked shipping lanes.

    Concern for its own national interest explains why America has charted a course of tacit neutrality regarding the revival of Sino-Indian territorial disputes, including China's sudden resurrection of a claim to the large Himalayan Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh. Similarly, the U.S. has urged both China and Japan to resolve peacefully their dispute over the Japanese-controlled Senkaku Islands. America's main goal is to prevent the standoff from escalating to the point that it would be forced — against its own interests — to take Japan's side.

    When U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta met Chinese leader Xi Jinping in China in September, he got "an earful" that the U.S. should stay out of the Sino-Japanese dispute. Indeed, amid the orchestrated anti-Japanese protests in China in September, Panetta — instead of advising China to rein in the often-violent demonstrations — publicly reiterated America's neutrality in the struggle over control of the islands.

    The correction in U.S. policy actually extends even to terminology. American diplomats have now abandoned the term "pivot" altogether, owing to its military connotation, in favor of "rebalancing."

    Whatever one calls it, the new policy approach is all about China, with America bolstering alliances and friendships with countries around China's periphery, including India, Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia and South Korea.

    Yet the Obama administration continues to deny that China is at the center of its strategy. In fact, it is reluctant to say or do anything publicly that might raise China's hackles.

    The Asia-Pacific region will loom larger in Obama's second-term agenda, especially as the ongoing U.S. troop withdrawal ends the Afghanistan war by 2014. But Obama will have to define a clearer U.S. policy, addressing China's rapid rise under an authoritarian regime that aggressively pursues border claims and whips up nationalism at home.

    The U.S. and the rest of Asia must not merely adjust to China; they must seek to shape a China that plays by the rules.
    Brahma Chellaney, professor of strategic studies at the New Delhi-based Center for Policy Research, is the author of "Asian Juggernaut" and "Water: Asia's New Battleground." © 2012 Project Syndicate

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    I wonder if this is main stream mentality of India, if it is, India apparently have not learned anything from history. hahah.
     
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    You deluded souls! What do you think India is ?? BTW you ,what ever you are, no where even close to the stature of the acumen of this intellectual person..
    Drawing your own conclusions to ( ( ( ( I N F L A T E ) ) ) your ego is much EASY :lol:
     
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    @blank_quest,

    Quite frankly mate, PRC does own a portion of US, more than India.

    Link: U.S. Debt - How Much China Owns
     
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    Whether you guys like it or not, every nation in the surrounding region will ask every other region to help contain China, as long as the current situation continues (China making claims over every nation's territory, China needling and provoking every country in the region).

    It is not just about this Indian scholar making a case for the US to contain China. Every nation around here (Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan, South Korea, India, Thailand, etc. etc.) - every nation will want every other nation to band together against China. You have your own policies to blame for this.
     
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    I would back this containment of China.

    China has every right to exist, but not at the cost of neighbours!

    The imperialist and expansionist attitude of China is indeed very tiresome and disgraceful.

    What has self esteem to do with someone else wanting to knock the block of a neighbourhood bully, which is a coward with an empty head?

    If the US dries up on the Treasury Bonds, China will be had!

    A tick will be caught in a bind!

    The US does not own India, nor does China own the neighbourhood!

    Get that straight!
     
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    China can't just sell those debts of US ( read strategic assets of China ) .. They are quite intelligently using those "debts" for keeping USA quite about misplaced intentions and play. Who does not understand these playful "relation" is dumb or insane :D ,.. They can't even think of selling those US debt coz it will lead to collapse of Chinese Economy as well... This will lead both of them as hauling at each other and doing nothing :lol:
     
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  9. DaTang

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    shake head

    so all of you just believe what this lunatic said right? check on his credit and read this article he wrote in 2008..
    Growing Chinese assertiveness against India | Stagecraft and Statecraft

    if after four years, you still cannot tell nonsense from reality, then this liar has done a good job.

    I have to say you guys are just living in illusion created on purpose by some of western proxies in India. I will no longer try to convince anything, because this illusion has been planted into your main stream mentality, you are just... forgive my harsh comments here... doomed.
     
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    Lets discuss on "perception" basis. People have a perception that China is all "Strength" ( in conventional term Power ) to deal with anyone "as it wants". Do you have a mind that your Policy Makers are getting blind to the fact that Economic Systemic integration has made China dependent. You can't just keep barking and hauling at your customers. Customers can find alternative solutions its just a time-dilation that has made the "low" profile opposition of China till now. Let alternate manufacturing hubs and Zones get into play in India .. India will be at far better stand to negotiate with China. Just wait and watch... forgive my harsh comments but .. China is just a "surrogate" that the world is using for its Ends..
     
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    Last comments, his dirty trick is played with perception. fact has proven him wrong, no, not wrong, rather, failed from whichever perspective, China's or India's
    his, is western's.
     
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    Keep ranting... we are used to your comments now...
     
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    Everything about Obama is rhetoric, I believe. We'll see. Maybe his next appointment to be Secretary of State will tell us something.
     
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    see? not surprised at all.
     
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    my fellow Asians, ask not what America can do for u; ask what u can do for America.

    America expects Asian allies to contribute to her off-shore balancing, but not to come ashore to do the job for allies herself.

    http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/12/01/a_bandwagon_for_offshore_balancing
     
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    they don't consider themselves Asian, they said they just fell into the category geographically, they are brown people, sub-continentians.
    Speaking of Asian, which asian is not an American running dog expect China ( oh, forgot our peninsula NK asian)
     
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    BRAHMA CHELLANEY is a man of wisdom and is far sighted in thinking... Yes this is the main stream metality of India... Need to contain China by whatever means and I can assure you many countries around China believes too on the same.

    On th bolded part : India has learned from history to identify the BACK STABBERS...
     
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    good for you i have to say, now we can India as it was.
     
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    I missed out the verb, leave.
     
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    @DaTang, you are one of the better posters. You can make your point without using terms like 'running dog.' You are well informed, and come across as balanced. Please argue on points.

    For all, debate on the message, and assume you are blind to the flag of the poster. Let's keep it healthy, shall we?
     
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