American tourists on 'conversion drive' asked to leave.

Discussion in 'Religion & Culture' started by bhramos, Jun 15, 2011.

  1. bhramos

    bhramos Elite Member Elite Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2009
    Messages:
    13,206
    Likes Received:
    6,638
    Location:
    Telangana/India/Bharat
    KOCHI: The fear of proselytization by Christian missionaries has gripped the southern most state Kerala yet again. Three US women tourists were asked to leave the country following complaints that they along with the local pastors were trying to convert "poor families" to Christianity in the coastal area of Alappuzha district in Kerala.
    However, the state police said that the three tourists were asked to quit because they had violated the tourist visa rules by trying to attend organized group activities and meetings. The Circle Inspector (CI) of Police J Santhoshkumar who is investigating the case told the TOI that the three women - Shelly Louise Deeds (50) a nurse in Pennsylvania, her daughter Katelyn Heather Deeds (15) and Diane Gean Harrington, a teacher at Wisconsin had arrived here about 15 days ago, and their tourist visas were valid till November this year.

    However, the activists of some Hindu organisations complained to the police that the three were trying to convert the poor people by offering them material inducements. ``They were targeting the poor families in the coastal area and were trying to convert them with several offers. The area had significant Hindu and Muslim population while only some recent converts were part of the Christian community. The pastors and foreigners were trying to influence the local people through the new converts. They had visited several houses in the area and conducted prayer sessions,'' RSS Taluk office-bearer Raghu said.The proposed prayer sessions by the local pastors and the tourists created a commotion in the area and the right-wing Hindu organizations threatened to launch a protest.

    ``We have not received any evidence to indicate the three US women were engaged in conversion-related activities. However, they were about to attend religious prayers session. They have come on visit visas and the law of the land doesn't permit them to attend any organized meeting or group activities including the prayer sessions. We were not clear about their intentions.That is why we asked them to leave the country, and they agreed. There is no deportation involved. They are now waiting for their return tickets,'' the district SP Asok Kumar said.

    The police sources said they are gathering the details of the activities of the three pastors Sabu (47), Jacob (34) and James (45) from Kottayam district. The police said the US Embassy India had also been informed about the incident.

    American tourists on 'conversion drive' asked to leave - The Times of India
     
    Dark_Prince likes this.
  2.  
  3. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2010
    Messages:
    10,788
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    I am surprised this thread has not been noticed.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2011
  4. Energon

    Energon DFI stars Stars and Ambassadors

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2009
    Messages:
    1,199
    Likes Received:
    760
    This topic is essentially a rehash of the proselytization argument which has been debated ad nauseum.

    I have no sympathy for the women who have broken the law. However I have no sympathy for all the nonsensical Hindu indignation either considering they have nothing to offer to their downtrodden and poor. All they want to do is maintain the status quo to guard their own insecurities.

    My only sympathies lie with the poor people who came so close to getting at least some material benefits even if they were short term.
     
    Solid Beast, Adux and Oracle like this.
  5. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,829
    Likes Received:
    1,799
    Why do these Christian do this, i am haveing a head ache in my town, every where i go they stand their with a bible and try to convert the people! I will give police complaint then.
     
    Dark_Prince likes this.
  6. Oracle

    Oracle New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    8,120
    Likes Received:
    1,541
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    Let's not blame a religion for faults of a few.

    Christian Missionaries are the reason why indigenous tribes of NE India are so developed today.
     
  7. LurkerBaba

    LurkerBaba Staff Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2010
    Messages:
    6,769
    Likes Received:
    3,678
    Location:
    India
    Many say that they are the source of terrorism there too
     
    Dark_Prince likes this.
  8. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,829
    Likes Received:
    1,799
    Developed as in wear low waste jeans and have no industries? Is that why Japan, Thailand are all more developed?
     
    Dark_Prince likes this.
  9. Oracle

    Oracle New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    8,120
    Likes Received:
    1,541
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    NO. Next time if you do not have sources, please do not speculate.
    Christians are by far one of the most peaceful religions as of today.

    Off-tangent as in the title of this thread.
     
  10. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,829
    Likes Received:
    1,799
    Its not off tangent, its just very critical. They have lost their own culture and almost all of them dress up like they are Rock stars with hair gel and low waster jeans. This is called development? I thought your own ability to build industries and provide employment was called developing?
     
    anoop_mig25 likes this.
  11. LurkerBaba

    LurkerBaba Staff Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2010
    Messages:
    6,769
    Likes Received:
    3,678
    Location:
    India
    I'm not speculating. There were ethnic tensions in the NE which got exacerbated by the missionaries. And I'm not talking about just my NE friends who've told this, this is verified by independent media sources. Africa 2.0


    National Socialist Council of Nagaland - Isak-Muivah
    National Liberation Front of Tripura, India, South Asia Terrorism Porta

    BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | 'Church backing Tripura rebels'

    BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | Separatist group bans Hindu festivities
    --------------------------

    Oh so you're impliying certain other religions are not ?

    :D Kind of hypocritical
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2011
    A chauhan and amitkriit like this.
  12. Adux

    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2009
    Messages:
    4,020
    Likes Received:
    1,695
    Oh my, Facepalm! They might not think the Indian culture is worth it, and it is their right to think so. It is something called Indian Constitution and a basic human right called Freedom of Choice.
     
  13. bhramos

    bhramos Elite Member Elite Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2009
    Messages:
    13,206
    Likes Received:
    6,638
    Location:
    Telangana/India/Bharat
    Because, the Christianity, is gradually decreasing in Europe and Other Christian Countries, Islam is fast raising religion of the World, and second is Hinduism in Christian countries........ mainly in Eastern European Countries.........
     
  14. Oracle

    Oracle New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    8,120
    Likes Received:
    1,541
    Location:
    Bangalore, India
    LB, you are a good poster. So I am telling you this once more. I am from the NE. I know how things really are. Please do not get indulged by rhetorics' from some in the NE.
     
  15. LurkerBaba

    LurkerBaba Staff Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2010
    Messages:
    6,769
    Likes Received:
    3,678
    Location:
    India
    No offence Oracle, but you're just a guy on an online forum :D.

    These are people I've met in real life, lots of them were my wingies in college


    edit:
    Maybe as a bong you don't know the ethnic situation ? I'm merely speculating. As this, is at the end of the day a forum
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2011
    Oracle likes this.
  16. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,829
    Likes Received:
    1,799
    Freedom of Choice is when you have problems in your life and you take up books and read and research for yourself and change your mind. That is educated choice which is welcome, he can choose what he wants.

    But if an large army of people are financed by mostly money from out side the country to do Marketing of their god on a large scale by selling promises, superstition and ignorant babble and cause social disharmony then that is not freedom of choice, its the abuse of that right by powerful religions to dominate lesser ingenious tribes.
     
    Dukes Mangola likes this.
  17. Adux

    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2009
    Messages:
    4,020
    Likes Received:
    1,695
    Why do a atheist care about one religion killing of another ! lol !
     
  18. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,829
    Likes Received:
    1,799
    Because Hindus these days in the South are more open, why kill that with an more fanatic new religion. We all know how fervent a new convert is.
     
    Illusive and LurkerBaba like this.
  19. civfanatic

    civfanatic Retired Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Messages:
    4,562
    Likes Received:
    2,526
    Location:
    తెలంగాణ
    Some guy gave me a bible yesterday. I was stuck in a waiting room for two hours and I had nothing else to read, so I decided to read it. I didn't read the whole thing, mind you, but I was surprised at how primitive much of the text was. It looked like it came straight from the Dark Ages (which it did, lol).

    I found this particular passage interesting:

    - 1 Timothy 2

    LOL. Is this the religion that's supposed to bring enlightenment and eliminate gender discrimination? Next time I see a Christian feminist, I'll have something to say.
     
  20. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2010
    Messages:
    10,788
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    Quite frankly i found the koran more "balanced" than the bible (comparing only the books and discounting the followers currently) but still these books shouldn't be taken literally and followed to the letter.

    You should read the old testament if you want to read the "good parts" where whats written is not different from what christians in the west bash extremist muslims about.
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2011
    Param likes this.

Share This Page