American spy goof-up: China navy report posted on web

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    American spy goof-up: China navy report posted on web

    American spy goof-up: China navy report posted on web

    Ajai Shukla / New Delhi January 19, 2010, 0:53 IST



    A mistake by a US Navy intelligence official has given the world an unexpected peek into the secret world of China’s navy. The US Office for Naval Intelligence (ONI) committed the blunder of posting, on an open website, the agency’s assessment of the state of the Chinese navy. Before the ONI could rectify this indiscretion by pulling off the report, it had been downloaded and posted on a publicly accessible website.

    The 47-page report, entitled, “A modern navy with Chinese characteristics”, is still posted on the website of the Federation of American Scientists, a policy advocacy body (http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/oni/pla-navy.pdf).

    The ONI report analyses the capabilities and the future direction of the People’s Liberation Army (Navy), or PLA(N). Interestingly, the ONI assessment differs substantially with the conventional view — widely prevalent in India and the Indian Navy — of a China racing unstoppably towards naval superpower.


    CHINA’S NAVY TODAY
    Platform Total number
    Diesel Attack Submarines 53
    Nuclear Attack Submarines 6
    Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarines 3
    Destroyers 26
    Frigates 48
    Amphibious Ships 58
    Coastal Patrol (Missile) 80+


    The assessment notes China’s recent deployment of Task Groups — each consisting of two warships and a replenishment vessel — for anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden. This marks the first time in over 600 years that a Chinese flotilla has operated in waters beyond China’s immediate vicinity.

    But the report concludes, “none of these operations indicates a desire on the part of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) to develop a constant global presence. Beijing’s ambition appears to remain focused on the East Asian region, with an ability to protect the PRC’s maritime interests in distant seas when required.

    The Chinese navy last went global during the Ming rule in the early 15th century, when the great Chinese admiral Zhang He — incidentally, a eunuch — stamped the authority of the Chinese navy across the Indian Ocean, reaching to the shores of Africa. But, in 1435, China decided to focus inwards. Around 1477, the emperor ordered the burning of records of Zhang’s seven great voyages, from 1405-1435. Thereafter, no further naval activity was permitted in the southern seas.

    This inward focus continued through Mao’s revolutionary war, which brought the communists to power. Thereafter, a coastal navy was sufficient to enforce China’s claims over most of the East and South China Seas, and the need to deter Taiwan from declaring independence.

    But the US Navy’s dominating presence in the Asia-Pacific and need to protect China’s supply lines convince Beijing of the need for greater naval power. China’s Defence White Paper of 2008 calls for expanding the navy’s operating range, and a greater role in international security.

    The PLA(N)’s most key acquisition, says the ONI report, is a sophisticated anti-air capability, which would allow its ships to operate in “distant seas”, far from land-based air-defence systems. The Luyang-I class of destroyers, already formidable, have been followed by the Luyang-II class and the Jiangkai II frigates, which are linked with an air-surveillance network as good as America’s world-standard Aegis system.

    Submarines, both conventional and nuclear, will be a key deterrent in the PLA(N). The ONI report says that Beijing will replace its large number of low-tech submarines with “smaller numbers of modern, high-capability boats (submarines)”. But, while the number of surface ships remains constant, today’s fleet of 62 submarines will increase over the next 10-15 years to 75.

    In that time-frame, India’s submarine fleet will be about one-third that of China’s.

    Most worrisome for the US Navy’s pre-eminence in the region is the programme to develop the world’s first Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile (ASBM), a variant of China’s Dong Feng–21 missile. The ONI report reveals that the ASBM’s peculiar flight path, involving a mid-course trajectory correction, will make it very difficult to intercept.

    Despite the addition of high-tech platforms, US intelligence estimates that much of the PLA(N) will still remain outdated 10-15 years from now. Its surface ships will remain vulnerable to air attack, while command and control systems will still be relatively undeveloped.

    Therefore, while the PLA(N) will be gradually expanding beyond the South China Sea, it will focus on what Beijing calls, “military operations other than war.” These include protecting its international lines of supply, humanitarian relief, and naval diplomacy.
     
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    I don't know about this report. I think some of it's bogus, how can China's submarine fleet increase from 62 to 75 when most of it's 53 diesel electric submarines are outdated and should be replaced.

    Here's the scenario:

    53 diesel submarines + 9 Nuclear subs = 62 submarines (current #)

    30 - 45 diesel submarines + (21-36) new subs (diesel/nuclear) + 9 nuclear subs = 75 (10-15 years)

    OR 53 (upgraded) diesel submarines + (10-13) new submarines (diesel/nuclear) + 9 nuclear subs = 75 (10-15 years)

    This is all hypothetical but I'm just trying to get a accurate assessment of what we will be looking at from 2010 to 2020. I'm guessing that the 53 diesel submarines (some of them are very old) will still be active for another decade and their will be another 10-13 new submarines built that will be diesel or nuclear + the 9 nuclear they already have so I'm thinking:

    53 (modified upgraded) diesel subs + 10-13 new subs (diesel or electric) + 9 nuclear subs

    = 75 submarines total around 2018-2025.

    Any other insight is appreciated.
     
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    "In order to grasp the energy that China is now committing to undersea warfare, consider that during 2002-2004 China's navy launched thirteen submarines while simultaneously undertaking the purchase of submarines from Russia on an unprecedented scale. (2) Indeed, China commissioned thirty-one new submarines between 1995 and 2005. (3)"
    China's future nuclear submarine force: insights from Chinese writings | Naval War College Review | Find Articles at BNET

    The actual number of 093 and 094 submarines that China constructs and deploys will offer insight into its naval and nuclear strategies. One Chinese source suggests that by 2010, China will field a total of six 094 SSBNs, divided into patrolling, deploying, and refitting groups. (74) Consistent with this projection, another source suggests that these groups will comprise two SSBNs each. (75)
     
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    "Chinese analysts acknowledge that America has long been dominant in undersea warfare, especially after the Cold War. (117) Many Westerners are therefore surprised that China would have the temerity to challenge the United States directly in this specialized domain of warfare. Yet PLAN analysts keep close tabs on U.S. Navy submarine building rates and carefully probe for potential American submarine force vulnerabilities. (118) They have studied the 8 January 2005 accident involving USS San Francisco with great interest. (119) A 2006 article by a senior PLAN strategist suggests that "China already exceeds [U.S. submarine production] five times over" and that eighteen U.S. Navy submarines based in the Pacific might be at a severe disadvantage against seventy-five or more Chinese submarines. (120) While these assessments are ultimately attributed to an American source, the PLAN analyst makes no effort to deny or reject these assessments."

    More from the same US NAVAL War College paper.
     
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    First of all the report isnt anything that the world doesnt know about. And i have never heard of goof ups. I sure have heard a lot about purposeful leaks.
     
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    Hey ! Since when did that start happening ?
    Sounds rather interesting !
     
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    Yeah heard of that anti ship ballistic missile sometime back. There is a thread on it too in DFI i think. New chinese invention. A ballistic cum cruise missile.
     

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