American F-35 Loses to Russian Su-35 in ‘Tactical Capabilities’

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  1. Kshatriya87

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    http://www.defencenews.in/article/A...Russian-Su-35-in-‘Tactical-Capabilities’-2659

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    Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Fighter Jet has become the most expensive military project in the US history to date, but still can’t meet the Pentagon’s initial requirements and loses in capabilities to Russian Sukhoi Su-35 aircraft.

    The Russian Sukhoi Su-35, acknowledged to be one of the best contemporary fighter jets, beats the American F-35 in “tactical” capabilities, a former US Department of Defense’s senior expert Michael Maloof revealed in an interview with the Iranian news outlet Press TV.

    “They’ve discovered the stealth capability of the F-35 is not foolproof, that there are radar systems being incorporated in other aircraft… that can actually pick up the stealth-like aircraft,” Maloof said of some of the flaws in the American jets.

    Except issues with a stealth mode in the jet, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program has a bunch of major additional flaws, according to the report conducted by Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of operational test and evaluation.

    The issues include the warplanes’ shifted production schedule, the ability to synthesize information on the battlefield while keeping the jet flying.In the report, Gilmore has put in question the practicability of the US’s “block buy” strategy that suggests purchasing of up to 450 F-35s before the jets are proven fully capable and ready for battle.

    The first block will last for three years and will start in 2018. Eventually the US intends to create a fleet of 2,443 F-35s that will cost the state some $1.3 trillion.

    Countries like Britain, Canada, Italy and Turkey are funding the F-35 development and hope to get new aircraft once they’re fully ready.“The cost overruns on this are stunning,” Maloof said. “One person I’ve spoken to about the F-35 has said it’s so bad and so serious…that our allies may actually resort to other capabilities because they now lack air superiority.”

    Maloof concluded that the Pentagon could switch from development of the ill-fated F-35 program that hasn’t met the initial expectations to the alternatives like development of mass destruction weapons.
     
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    Don't believe what propaganda source Iranian Press TV says,though no doubt SU 35 outclass F 35 as air superiority fighter,but Russia has still to prove its capability to produce a proper 5 th gen stealth fighter.
     
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    F-35 is an aircraft still in testing and evaluation, it will recive FOC around 2020, when it does, it will be one of the best all round fighters ever made. It wasn't designed to be a air superiority fighter. It will full-fill its role by being a VLO aircraft that can play various roles, going into a fight laden with cutting edge electronics and a vast array of weapons.
     
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    The Pentagon's Emergency Plan If the F-35 Doesn't Work
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    March 22, 2016

    The United States government has sunk billions into the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The program is set to cost taxpayers almost $400 billion to develop and build 2,443 of the stealthy new jets for the U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.

    To ensure that the program is all but unkillable, Lockheed spread the work on the program around the country and around the globe. Indeed, the program brags about its economic impact. “In the U.S. alone, the F-35 program supports direct and indirect jobs for 129,000 people and provides work for more than 1,200 suppliers in 45 states and Puerto Rico,” reads Lockheed’s F-35 website. “The F-35 does more than just elevate international security—it also strengthens the global economy by providing jobs, industrial partnerships and technology benefits to people and companies across the world. In the years ahead, the F-35 program will create more jobs than any other Department of Defense initiative this decade.”

    Moreover, the F-35 program is producing industrial benefits in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey and the United Kingdom—which are the original partners. Additionally, the F-35 creates jobs in Israel, Japan and the Republic of Korea—which have also purchased the new stealth fighter. Indeed, while major defense procurement programs are mostly viewed in national security terms, these programs are similar to entitlement programs—no member of Congress would ever vote to kill jobs in their district. That’s what contractors and the Pentagon count on.

    But what would happen if an outsider—one that has no bridges to burn, no stakeholders to appease—came to power? In that case—in the unlikely scenario where new leadership in Washington decided that enough was enough—the U.S. government would no longer tolerate the years of delays, technical failures, continuing glitches and lowered expectation—what would happen? The answer is that there are alternatives.

    For the U.S. Air Force, the most obvious alternative would be to resurrect the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. While reconstituting the production line would be expensive and difficult, it could be done. The U.S. Air Force stored the tooling for the aircraft—and while that storage process has problems, it’s not an insurmountable challenge. The more difficult problem will be the subcomponents. Indeed, most of the Raptor’s antiquated computer hardware hasn’t been built in years. However, a fleet of four hundred new F-22 Raptors would give the service a force capable of knocking down the door for follow-on conventional fighters such as upgraded or even new Lockheed F-16s or Boeing F-15E Strike Eagles.

    The Navy—which has always been lukewarm toward the F-35C—could continue to buy advanced derivatives of the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. In fact, Boeing has already pitched such an aircraft. Longer term, the service could restart a long-range unmanned stealth bomber program. A stealthy long-range unmanned strike aircraft is probably what the service needs to defeat the emerging anti-access/area-denial challenge in the Western Pacific.

    The U.S. Marine Corps would have to either buy the Super Hornet or leave the fixed-wing tactical fighter business without the F-35B. However, the Navy and Marine Corps are closely linked and the service would probably opt for the Super Hornet before giving up most of its air arm.

    U.S. allies who have bought the F-35 could either buy an aircraft from Eurofighter, Dassault, Boeing F/A-18E/F, Saab’s Gripen or even upgraded F-16s. Some allies may eventually be able to develop their own stealth aircraft if they choose. The bottom line is that while plans would have to change—it’s not the end of the world. Militaries have to adapt to political conditions of the day. That being said, given the sunk costs, the F-35 isn’t going anywhere.

    The Pentagon's Emergency Plan If the F-35 Doesn't Work | The National Interest Blog
     
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    F-35 is like Dean Ambrose, who gets F-5ed by Lesner again and again, still learns nothing. Canada exited from JSF program. Waiting for other nations....
     
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    More farticles of the F-35, some more riciculous than others. The F-35 is a 5th gen multirole fighter, which offers cutting edge solutions and takes aerial warfare to the next gen. With its powerful sensors and advanced weapons including the likes of Aim-120D, Meteor, I-Derby-Er, it can challenge any fighter including the Su-35s and Raptors. It's not a air superiority fighter, it doesn't need to be. It will have more advantages than other aircraft including the Raptor till atleast 2030 going into battles. From next gen helmets, good AESA, sensors like DAS, EOTS, it allows any skilled pilot to be a good tactician as the pilot is more focused on fighting with the aircraft.

    The likes of PAKFA are still some time away from full scale production and their sensors aren't as advanced.
     
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    Time will tell but PAK FA has already better air to air sensors
     
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    Australia's F-35 Jet Acquisition Has Hallmarks of Ponzi Scheme, Inquiry Told (excerpt)

    (Source: The Guardian; published March 22, 2016)
    Independent military think-tank chief describes computer system of next-generation fighter aircraft as a ‘digital dog leash’


    Australia’s next-generation jet fighter has been labelled a “jackass of all trades and masterful of none”.

    Air Power Australia, an independent military and policy think-tank, is dismissive of the plan to acquire 72 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning Joint Strike Fighters from the US.

    “Blue sky marketing” was overshadowing big problems with the aircraft, the group’s head, Peter Goon, told the Canberra hearing of a Senate inquiry investigating the acquisition on Tuesday.

    “It has all the hallmarks of a Ponzi scheme,” he said.

    “When the product fails, recruit as many clients as you can, promote the product as loudly as you can, keep the cash flowing for as long as the market remains blind to its failure.”

    The aircraft was also a risk to the ANZUS alliance – Australia’s security pact with the US.

    Goon described the aircraft’s computer system as a “digital dog leash”.

    Australia is scheduled to bring its first two planes home in 2018. Up to 26 fighters are expected to be operational in 2020, and the number is expected to reach up to 72 by 2023. The project has a $17bn price tag. (end of excerpt)


    Click here for the full story, on The Guardian website.
     
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    F 22 wll also loose.

    These planes are designed on different philosophy. F 35 or F 22 are not designed to win close combats and dog fights. They are designed to shoot enemy before enemy can see them. They are designed to sneak into enemy territory to accomplish the mission.
     
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  14. charlie

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    I don't who made this analysis, but this guy has no idea about F35.
     
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    F 22 has extensive capability to take on any opponent in WVR. But it is even more expensive than F-35. Only true challenger to an F-22 in WVR would by the PAKFA (like 15 years extra evolutionary advantage or on flip side 15 years late into the fight).

    Only way F-35 can score over Su-35s is when the WVR fight is a many-on-many furball. That way F-35s using their superior computing can have a good hope against Su-35s which will eventually have to use their TVC (which in turn will sap their energy state). In smaller dogfights, I expect, F-35 against Su-35 to be the same as Typhoons vs. Su-30MKI. The Russian concept will win.

    BVR is an entirely different ball game.
     
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    It is from Air power Australia.
     
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    No way, sure the AESA might be more powerful but DAS alone works at ranges of over 1200km. Sensor fusion too is far more advanced.
     
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    Hardly a reliable source, many of their theories have been shattered often.
     
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    A completely incorrect and silly image.
     
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    thanks, now I know not to read their crap
     
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    DAS does not work for 1200 km .DAS on its own has a range of about 100 km on stand alone for fighter.DAS 1200 is for large ballistic missile when fused with satellite intel.
     

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