America wants independent Balochistan

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    America wants independent Balochistan

    Posted on 2013-09-09 06:17:48 by Ihsan Dawar

    US has no intentions to leave Afghanistan, APC has no presentation from Fata: Rustam Shah Mohmand

    Ihsan Dawar
    PESHAWAR: America is trying to establish an independent state of Balochistan so as to turn it into its own colony and keep a hold over all the corridors of energy in the region said former Ambassador of Pakistan to Afghanistan, defense analyst and expert on Pak Afghan issues, Rustam Shah Mohmand in an exclusive interview with The Frontier Post here on Sunday.

    Shah further stated that America does not want stability in Pakistan and especially in the Tribal Areas of Pakistan.

    Replying to query he revealed that US has no plan to leave Afghanistan bag and baggage in the year 2014 and would leave a good number of army about 10,000 US marines, up to 6,000 NATO forces with nine military bases in their occupation, fully equipped air force and even trainers .

    He further explained that US wants to keep an eagles eye over China, to occupy natural resources of central Asia, put pressure on Iran and above all to keep check over the development of nuclear program of Pakistan.
    About 500 Israeli personnel are permanently with US army in guise of NGOs, experts and other professions having passports of Canada, Ireland, Holland and Australia Mohmand said adding that they perform the duties of soldiers but they also keep an eye over Pakistan Atomic development.
    He revealed that they are spread all over the area and even they check the air so as to know where and when the enrichment is going on.

    US has hired a good number of people from all walks of life inside Pakistan. They include anchor persons, civil society members and even in some of the government departments. They have been assigned the task of spreading roamers as if US left Afghanistan, there would be a lot of bloodshed and Taliban would immediately occupy Afghanistan Mohmand added.
    He also viewed that peace in Afghanistan was not related with the presence of America.

    There have been more than ten thousand attacks in the current year over US and NATO forces inside Afghanistan which testify that America has never achieved its goal of establishing peace in Afghanistan Shah added.
    He also said that in case America leaves Afghanistan, Taliban are not in the position to occupy cities after cities like in 1996.

    They have no Tanks, no fighter jets and above all no support of the masses. What will happen after US departure, the Afghan National Army (ANA) will be dissolved itself as the runaway ratio from ANA is about 20% now while it would sore up to 50 % after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, he explained adding that there would be no way out for Afghan people to sit to gather and seek a durable solution of the issue.

    While replying to the major question of the interview he acknowledged that US was behind all the killings of those who wanted to play role in establishing peace in the area. If Pakistani government or establishment doesn�t want to have acquaintance of all what is happening than that is a separate thing, but it would be better for the government to take the nation into confidence and seek a solution of the insurgency.

    He further asserted that it will make easy to reach on a decision when the nation is behind the government.

    We have to restore the trust of the people on our institutions Shah added.

    He said in October 2008, both the houses of the parliament held a close session that passed a resolution with not even a single vote against it. But in the long run there was no progress towards the proposals put forward by the parliament.

    If your parliament is powerless what you can expect from the APC where those people are gathered who have no knowledge of the Tribal Areas Mohmand said while commenting on the APC holding today its meeting.
    He also regretted that there was no representation of the tribal people in APC who are the real sufferers and the stack holders.

    While commenting on the role of Army in the tribal areas he said the presence of America was not the reason behind the insurgency and the unrest in the tribal areas rather the presence of the Pakistani Army was the sole cause of unrest therein.

    With the entry of regular army in the tribal areas, their own system was destroyed, every man became independent and as a result militancy progressed.

    Withdraw all your regular forces from Fata, void the educational institutions from them and see what happens he claimed that there would be peace on that day as the militants would find none for attack.

    He also made it clear that unless and until the system in the tribal areas is not restored, there can be no hope for restoration of peace and tranquility in the area.

    He also suggested that once the issue is settled with the local militants, we should also have to seek a remedy for the issue of foreign militants present in the tribal areas.

    Those who can go to their countries should leave and those who cannot go must provide guarantors to the local government as they would live peacefully abiding by the laws and rules of the country.

    He also made it open that the government must start an infrastructure development program and return of about one and a half million of the displaced people of Fata along with compensations during the war on terror, this is the only solution of the issue, he asserted.

    America wants independent Balochistan
     
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    There is no doubt that the Balochis have been given a raw deal by Pakistan right from the days of the Independence.

    They have grounds to feel aggrieved and want their independence.

    The US' support is for geostrategic reasons and not from their heart.

    Nonetheless, their support is a great moral and morale boost!
     
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    Let's assume US succeed in its plan, then the obvious next target is India, unless we become their lackey.
     
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    ^ Not to forget they managed to pulled off the partition on basis of religion. So again the ground is being prepared for the 180million plus people who are being constantly told that they are worst of worst.
     
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    Good to see people opening their eyes up, even if it is too late.

    I hope more and more Indians wake up to this.
     
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    Presence of westerners, especially the soldiers anywhere on the soil of Indian subcontinent should be strongly discouraged. Their direct interference in internal matters of the Indian subcontinent should not be welcome. That is how they occupied and destroyed India last time. first they made small settlements pretending to be friends. then they interfered in and occupied Bengal, which was under Muslim rule which was a remnant of mughals. then they waited till central power was weak and there were some infighting and once Indians started inviting them to help in their internal quarrels, suddenly India was under European rule and looted for next more than a century.
    So if at all any serious action has to be taken anywhere in the subcontinent, it should be done by India/ through Indian agencies (e.g. creation of Bangladesh). Western agencies must stay away.
     
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    but still the grievances of the people of balochistan must be taken into consideration, not that US want them as an independent country, but as pak is constantly poking into kashmir affair..........
     
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    The reason is the chinese port, Gawdar . Gawdar is in Baluchistan .Chinese are bringing all the infrastructure in Baluchistan to keep NATO from moving towards them . Iran is keeping both India and China quite safer .
     
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    so if balochistan becomes independent, maybe US and it's nato allies can keep a check on the chinese ?
     
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    I-G Tihar Jail Banned

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    If the Pakistani establishment keep on moving towards the Chinese then of course this will happens . Pakistan has become Right hand of Chinese where as the North Koreans left Hand who are protecting Chinese mainland .
     
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    KGB was completely controlling Indian foreign policy by sitting inside India during the cold war and have further made Indians to spoil relations with Afghans, Iranians and Arabs . India was the first country which welcomed the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 .
     
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    India interest was that Soviet in winning Afghanistan.
     
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    Typical Pakistani trash.

    Maybe Mr. Mohmand would kindly answer as to why Afghanistan has not fallen when the ANA has been carrying 90% of operations for over a year now? The US refuses to bomb the tribal areas and eliminate most of the Taliban, drastically changing the war. Instead, the blame is shifted to incompetency of the ANA
     
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    Independent Balochi Stan? Such threads pop up from time to time. Guess who'll be also excited and sparked to join? Baloch on Iranian side, which I once posted as the "most backward" province of Iran (a tinder box)! Will Iran allow the domino effect to unfold? And Indian gateway C Port to Afghani Stan happens to locate inside Iranian Baloch!



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    Afghans always see India as brotherly country . Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was nothing but just robbing the natural resources of Afghanistan but now India is getting benefited by investing infrastructure and getting most of the mining contracts inside Afghanistan which is helping both nations to develop and be prosperous .
     
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    Chinese are investing in Iranian and Pakistani Balochistan to keep them united .
     
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    Actually you got it the other way its the present invasion that's meant to take away its natural resources, Russians went it on request of the then communist govt to salvage an ally in distress. that's it I'm sure that you would have preferred a Najibullah rather than Heymaktyar.

    Note that the stooges fed and armed by Uncle Sam and its allies spread in Central Asia and Kashmir, we felt the tremors of the soviet withdrawal post 1989. Remember insurgency in Kashmir started at that time.
     
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    I-G Tihar Jail Banned

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    My friend . And way before the invasion of Afghanistan , Soviets identified more than 15 oil and gas fields in northern Afghanistan and estimated that Afghanistan is having proven and probable natural gas reserves at up to 5 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) in the 1970s.

    Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was to get the natural resources of Afghanistan and during the invasion of Afghanistan hundreds of tons of Natural resources were transferred to Soviet union , Copper, Zine, Brass, Iron Ore etc.



    Insurgency in Kashmir was from nowhere linked to Afghanistan and was completely run by the Pakistanis .
     
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    yeah, it started somewhere around the partition itself. Never seen a country with such an ego
     

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