America and its response to genocides

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While talking about genocides i feel it is prudent to talk about the first forgotten genocide of the twentieth century,most people have never even heard of the Armenian genocide perpetrated by the erstwhile ottoman empire. Europe and America both knew of the horrors being inflicted on the Armenians by the Turks but both chose to stay away with the exception of the french who helped out a limited number of Armenians to safety,though independent American associations did contribute to Armenian relief organizations as well. for the primary reason that nobody at that time wanted to antagonize the turks further. The turks on their part even used the Kurds to rape and pillage Armenian villages.
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What happened to Kashmiri Pundits would classify as genocide, but again, blaming that on the US is like blaming it on Russia, whose invasion of Afghanistan started this whole chain of events.
No invasion by SU, Afghanistan government was supportive of SU, the came there to support it.
 

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While talking about genocides i feel it is prudent to talk about the first forgotten genocide of the twentieth century,most people have never even heard of the Armenian genocide perpetrated by the erstwhile ottoman empire. Europe and America both knew of the horrors being inflicted on the Armenians by the Turks but both chose to stay away with the exception of the french who helped out a limited number of Armenians to safety,though independent American associations did contribute to Armenian relief organizations as well. for the primary reason that nobody at that time wanted to antagonize the turks further. The turks on their part even used the Kurds to rape and pillage Armenian villages.
Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Offtopic, but this is one fact that I hate about Gandhi. By supporting the Khilafat movement, he sided with a genocidal , imperial power
 
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sending a ship and having zero action come of it - is not supporting the genocide. Supporting it would be and the US can and could have done- actionable action on the Indian military.

Btw- why don't you ask india to give up all the requests it has of the US, you know the genocidal supporter who is being supported by India military, business and political establishments? get off the ignorance...

Us please invest your business here
US please provide us access to latest military equipment
US please do a nuclear deal with us ( they lead the charge to open the NSG and have a pact without a NPT)
US please take us off the disallowed countries list and give us access to high tech dual usage technology
US please make it easier for us to get involved in Afghanistan
US please open your markets for the Indian goods
US please increase Visa for indians , we know over 60% of the Visas now given go exclusively to indians but we want more
Us please helps us with anti terrorism technology
US please send your FBI after mumbai attacks ( had it not been for the US, world would not have the irefutable proof and clout to say that Pakistan ISI, govt was behind it)

US please.....

but we will take what we want, think its our right to get things from you and if you disagree - we will be foolish to keep lashing out with false lables of " genocide pushers".... yup - you see we were busy learning about Chatrapati shivaji in school and skipped Nazi germany and the many such great anti genocidal acts you did--- Bleh!

I really don't have time to argue nonsense with you. So, I'll let you continue to live in your la-la land, with your head stuck in the clouds, sucking on yankee doodle-doo's.


At the level of norms, principals and ideals, ECOSOC influenced Convention has only ever had levity when it suited the American purpose. That is, to stifle Communist states and states of the FSU.

At the level of actions, US foreign policy has ranged for action, when advantageous to guaranteeing impunity, when not to outright ignorance.

Rwanda, Pakistan and Cambodia are but three recent examples of that fact.

Remember this, "Action indeed is the sole medium of expression for ethics."
-James J. Adams
 
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This does not make the nation as a whole responsible for his deeds. Saddam Hussein (Ba'ath Party) was first elected democratically. So was Hitler.
Doesn't make the general populace responsible and accountable for their actions. They were his actions, not Iraq's.
Though the people in question may have had their supporters, let us not confuse individuals with national identities.
I've already agreed with the sense of difference between govt actions & individual opinions. But that is not the topic at hand with OP. Does the govt actually represent interests of their natives or not can be dealt separately.
 
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By using the same logic, would you say that Nazi Germany was also blameless, afterall only its leaders are responsible for its action. Also why do Poles blame the Russians for the failure of Warsaw uprising instead of blaming just Stalin?
We do not blame Germans, many of them were also victims of Nazism, we do not blame Russian, they were also victims of socialists like Lenin and Stalin, what Poland want are documents about what happend with our citizens, who (person) was reponsible for murders etc. Unfortunetly because we have some morons in our country and because for some reasons Russians fear something, they don't want to share with us these documents.

Of course due to our history, we do not belive Germany or Russia as our neighbores, but we are abale and willing to live with them in peace and good relations.

The United States as a nation was built on genocide. Try to understand that basic fact first.
You should learn history then, any nation and country is based on killing other nationalities, but US is in very hard situation only because it is very young nation and country, history that is much better documented can be used to discredit anyone we don't like.

How do You know that any Indian tribe or kingdom do not done this in it's history hmmm?

It is allways easy to judge when we know history and consequences, but these people back then had different point of view, different situation.

This is very deep arrogance and ignorance and hidden hatred that I see in your posts.

And BTW, about Mujahedeens, indeed, Talibans were not Mujahedeens that were supported by US, in fact Mujahedeens were fighting against Taliban, they were later known as Northern Alliance and were supporting US forces in their fight against Talibans.
 
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To be fair, the entire human civilisation is based on genocide.
In that case why are we even arguing about this? Let's just accept genocide as an integral part of human nature and ignore all this preachy bullshit.


Care to elaborate?
What the hell happened to all these people?



When I visited New York City I didn't see many Mohawks. Was I missing something?
 

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In that case why are we even arguing about this? Let's just accept genocide as an integral part of human nature and ignore all this preachy bullshit.
Ah, but then again You can't complain about what Pakistanis done and what Americans done or not done... but indeed, genocide is part of our nature, we have sometimes tendency to completely eliminate anyone who can be threat to us.

What the hell happened to all these people?
They just loose in the great race of evolution, not that it was good from moral point of view but from the point of view of nature, they were less advanced in technology, less agressive in expansion so they just loose.
 
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Offtopic, but this is one fact that I hate about Gandhi. By supporting the Khilafat movenware, he sided with a genocidal , imperial power
Excellent point. It reveals Gandhi was more opportunistic then his image. This did not help India
partition still took place with the Turks supporting the creation of Pakistan. This set the trend of
India's govt support for failing empires,repeated during British,Ottoman (and Russian/soviet empire).
 

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They just loose in the great race of evolution, not that it was good from moral point of view but from the point of view of nature, they were less advanced in technology, less agressive in expansion so they just loose.
We're back to square one with this.
 

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I believe JayATL started this thread with the belief that this would turn into a eulogy for the American stand on democracy, human rights etc round the world. Once called out on it, the bloke acting like a petulant three year old, throws his toys out of the pram and high tails outta here.

Do we know of one nation state which does exactly this, only at the national level? No prizes for guessing, it is Pakistan. It was ironic to say the least to see JayATL equating those who differ with his warped world view with the Pakis.

I keep seeing this meme attributed to me- BUT I never started this thread , Yes that right I was not the OP of the thread. The mods picked the conversation on another thread about China and Russia supporting syria in the UN- Then because someone said US was "promoter" of a genocide - I went into my reply of it being absurd....
( thats right, not a bystander but actually promotes was the claim )-

Those replies were moved to a new thread and the topic was created by the mods here. So - I don't mind and actually was quite happy to debate the whackiness of such an assumption- but I DID NOT CREATE OR START THE THREAD....if no one would have said anything or made the post that US is a promoter of Genocide I would not have brought in US into the equation...
 
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Oh.... Jay.... You are factually wrong in most things stated above. I will try to answer each.

Us please invest your business here
In 2010, the US invested $9 billion in India, India invested $4.5B in the US. Not quite as one sided as you expected is it?


US please provide us access to latest military equipment

We just threw your outdated planes out of the MMRCA. The C 17 deal got the US approx 30000 jobs for 20 years. Be happy. We are paying you for it. Its not a freakin gift.


US please do a nuclear deal with us ( they lead the charge to open the NSG and have a pact without a NPT)

Here you are talking outta your arse. The nuclear deal was negoitiated at our terms. The NSG or whatever regime still do not have access to any of our military nuclear installations. The CTBT, NPT, and whatever else excl;usion treaties that the US created, specifically targeting India have all failed miserably as we have not signed or ratified any. Our nuclear industry and technology have grown independently and have equalled if not surpassed American or Western know-how. Do some reading on BARC capabilities and how nuclear scientists around the world are in awe of our understanding.
The only reason we needed the deal was access to uranium - to convert over a period of time into reactor grade plutonium. Which would enable us to trigger our own thorium cycle. And the only reason that the US agreed to the deal was that it would bring mucg needed business to their flagging nuclear corporations. Have no illusions about this buddy - It is a FACT


US please take us off the disallowed countries list and give us access to high tech dual usage technology

Simple answer - Israel. They are better and a more trustworthy ally than you are. Also please point to that ultra high sensitive dual use technology that only the US has access to.

US please make it easier for us to get involved in Afghanistan

The Afghans have scant respect for the US. They have a lot of respect for India. When your broke Government finally packs up their bags and leaves we will fill in the gap whether you like it or not.

US please open your markets for the Indian goods

No idea what your smoking but its actually the other way round. The US is one of the most open markets in the world. At the WTO the US has been banging on India's door for more than two decades to open our doors.


US please increase Visa for indians , we know over 60% of the Visas now given go exclusively to indians but we want more

Do you really think you have a choice on this. If you want intellectual capital, you better. Else get more clones from China.


Us please helps us with anti terrorism technology

What technology is that?

US please send your FBI after mumbai attacks ( had it not been for the US, world would not have the irefutable proof and clout to say that Pakistan ISI, govt was behind it)

Apologies, I dont know much about this one. You may even be right here.

US please.....

Yeah, what else?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :pound: :pound: :pound: :rofl: :rofl:

What a point, I would have shut up by than, if I were that guy

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