‘Like Hindus, Muslims should also opt for family planning’

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  1. Vishwarupa

    Vishwarupa Senior Member Senior Member

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    BJP MP Sakshi Maharaj has demanded that a strict law for family planning be brought in for all to check population growth and those who do not follow it should be stripped of their voting right.

    “When Hindus go for sterilisation, Muslims should also opt for it. There should be one law for everyone. There will be no appeasement of any section in our regime,” he said.

    “I don’t say Muslims and Christians should be sterilised.

    But there should be family planning and a uniform law for all.

    When we talk of four-child issue, there is a lot of hue and cry, and when they have 40 children from four wives no one says anything,” Mr. Maharaj said.

    “There should be family planning. When the country gained independence, the population was only 30 crore. Today it is 130 crore. Who is responsible for it? There should be one law for everyone be it Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs or Christians.

    Like Hindus, Muslims should also opt for family planning, BJP MP Sakshi Maharaj says - The Hindu
     
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    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    What about Gazva-e-Hind???
     
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    Just bring in rules to favour smaller families. For eg:

    1) Can't fight elections if more than 2 kids
    2) Can't get various subsidies if more than 2 kids
    3) Reservation only if <2kids
    4) Tax benefit < 2kids
    5) Schooling vouchers < 2kids etc etc
     
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    Vishwarupa Senior Member Senior Member

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    If i remember, Yeddi(former Karnataka CM) tried this but no body supported it.
     
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    These incentives would still fail with the secular community. But even if 50% people can change behaviour due to policy it can be great.
     
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    good idea!
     
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    should be applied in UK as well
     
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    if there population continue to grow at the rate of 6 kids per family. GAZWA-a-hind will be done with in
     
  10. Rashna

    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    Unless there is a common civil code religious laws will take precedence over such programs. Islam doesn't encourage family planning, neither does Christianity. Children are considered a gift of god. Thankfully hindus haven't been told any such thing so they use their discretion.
     
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    Instead then focus on giving benefits to the majority community- reserve 90% of everything for Hindus only, based on the 1947 demographics data. Incentivise conversion back to Hinduism. Make it so that being a Hindu is all round better to live as than being a chrislamists. Stop all funding to madarassas. Cock block any attempts to increase the power of the mosques by strict legislatures and by keeping govt appointed imams in them to funnel propaganda, even if it costs govt money,it is something well worth it and a price we have to bear for the retardedness of Gandi and Nehru. If Buddhists in SL can do this , so can we. And many muslim countries already have such laws like Malaysia'a "Bhumiputra reservations"(note the irony too)


    Let them have their children, let us then convert them back to Hindu fold.

    And these things dont have to be approved by "minorities". In a first past the poll voting system like ours, even 50% Hindus supporting it would be enough and muslims having a problem with it can be given a free emigration pass to their own reservation - East Pakistan and West Pakistan
     
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    Lol, you don't know that many Hindus, do you?
     
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    Another " genius" comment. :rolleyes:

     
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    The only way to deal with this is withdraw all allowances of Sharia.

    It is a primitive system that was designed to keep the population balanced in the times of war. It has no relevance today except creating chaos and putting pressure on a country's financial system.

    Except for 6-8 countries in MENA region, no other country is able to feed so many mouths. Misery is everywhere wherever there are large muslim populations.

    Most of them are uneducated, radicalized and so much used to the entitlement mentality that even those muslims who want to do good for their country cannot come out of this mess.
     
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    There are many Hindus in rural/underdeveloped areas who have many children. It has less to do with religion and more to do with the lack of economic development.
     
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    I know that and i agree that economic betterment leads to lower feritility . My point is something else.... there is a religious angle to fertility rates too. Why do u think the muslim birth rate in India is so high? Therefore one needs to factor in the religious angle too while talking about high birth rates amongst muslims.

    The moderation is encouraging, especially in the context of a steady rise in India’s Muslim numbers. An official analysis of data by religion from the 2011 census is not yet out. Any delay might be deliberate: to avoid a fuss ahead of general elections, due next year. Higher fertility rates among Muslims might be seen as politically sensitive. Private studies guess that India has about 177m Muslims, comprising 14.6% of the total population. It marks a rise of nearly 40m, or a percentage point, on a decade before. Higher fertility will ensure the upward trend continues. Overall, India’s fertility rate is falling, but among Muslims it is dropping most slowly. Old habits persist. Few Muslim women work outside the home. Contraception is not much used.



     
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    Since most Muslims in India are underprivileged, their numbers are rising. Is it rising in Dubai? Doesn't that itself prove that this whole thing has nothing to do with religion? But haters gonna hate.
     
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    UCC says the Govt will dictate besides others thing who should you marry, how should you marry, then how should you divorce and later how should you will your inheritance. These 3 are affairs which are considered "personal" and most Indians defer to their religious beliefs whilst conducting these "personal" affairs.

    UCC would be a regressive socialist/communist step where the clowns sitting in Parliament decide how 125 crores+ Indians conduct their lives.

    As for family planning it has nothing to do with UCC or PLBs.

    Govts have to take 4 steps to ensure smaller families

    1. Incentivize smaller families via tax breaks, direct cash benefits etc.
    2. Punish larger families via fines, heavy taxation etc.
    3. Infrastructure to help smaller families survive via adequate healthcare, education, job openings etc.
    4. GDP GROWTH - self explanatory.
     
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    I agree with this however these benefits have been availed by those who have access to education and having some degree of social emancipation. For those who are out of this system their belief system is purely fashioned by religion and what their religious head is saying to them. That said we do have reports like sachar commission which focus purely on muslims. We still need to conduct different studies on muslims because this group does not conform to standard behavior or overall trends in the country.
    It might be that they are economically backward and deprived of opportunities but so are millions of hindus.

    Therefore we live in a utopian world where our govt can only interfere in the lives of the majority while keeping the muslims as a study group. From within the muslims also we do not see any organized effort to lift the community out of its backwardness. This link below outlines how we have failed to take any real steps to change attitudes and social behavior. This is also the govt's responsibility to make sure it works on reports it generates and fixes the problems or at least makes an attempt to do so.



    An official analysis of data by religion from the 2011 census is not yet out. Any delay might be deliberate: to avoid a fuss ahead of general elections, due next year. Higher fertility rates among Muslims might be seen as politically sensitive. Private studies guess that India has about 177m Muslims, comprising 14.6% of the total population. It marks a rise of nearly 40m, or a percentage point, on a decade before. Higher fertility will ensure the upward trend continues. Overall, India’s fertility rate is falling, but among Muslims it is dropping most slowly. Old habits persist. Few Muslim women work outside the home. Contraception is not much used.

    Crucially, fertility tends to fall only as poverty drops. Muslims are poorer than average and are heavily present in the big, poor, northern states. According to a study by the Pew Research Centre, India will probably have 236m Muslims in two decades’ time, on a par with Indonesia (which has the world’s biggest Muslim population). That is a lot, but is still under a fifth of India’s total population. In certain states, however, change is more dramatic. In Assam, in the north-east, Muslims now make up a third of the population, a sharp rise in the past two decades (though immigration accounts for some of it).

    Where population change is fast, instability may follow. Last year 77 people were killed and 400,000 were displaced in Assam, amid clashes between Muslim settlers and Bodo tribal groups who feel their land is under threat. Still, growing populations alone did not provoke the violence in Assam. Shifting political loyalties were also a factor
    http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...n-continues-fall-behind-growing-and-neglected

     
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    Hindus and Muslims esp the poor uneducated kinds behave exactly similar when it comes to the size of the family.

    Govt policies are made on an individual level.

    Yes, within Muslim community there is no call for progress.

    Carrot and Stick policy is still the best to reduce size of families.

    Census 2011 is out btw.

    And Muslim population in the last decade has increased by 0.8% as a share in total. Very surprising results. IIRC Muslim population has grown as much as Hindus of a similar socio-economic profile.
     
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    It is predicted that muslim fertility rates will be the same as others in a few years from now. However all family planning policies must be uniform as we have seen the effects with lower birth rates in hindus but muslims growing at a very fast speed. Hindus' population has actually fallen in India post partition while muslim population has steadily increased in spite of partition. This is the reason why i am batting for some common policy which cuts across religion.

    It is very easy to change the demographics of any region by unfettered breeding. We are seeing effects of that in many parts already. It is proving to be a security concern for us too. That apart however much we achieve in economic terms if this kind of unbridled population growth goes on we will fall short of providing any quality life to our people.


     

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