Al-Qaida calls for holy war against china

[nimo_cn]

Terrorism is a common enemy of all human-being. China, as a victim of terrorism, do not support any form of terrorism, at the same time condemn and fight against any form of terrorism.

Terrorism, in whatever country it have happened, for whatever purpose it is, should be denounced and condemned by all of us, because it is evil, it compromises the stability of the world.

But i havent seen that in the posts. On the contrary, I can feel some people are kind of cheerful about the fact that China becomes the target of terrorist this time. If terrorist attcked China, then Chinese society will become unstable and the investors will be scared to invest in China . and in consequence the development of China will be hindered, this is what i heard most. Maybe this is what you want to see, maybe the hatred for China has blinded your eyes, you ignore the fact it is terrorism that we are talking about.

It is possible that the terrorist may be able to perform one or two attacks in China as some people have suggested. But China and Chinese people are much stronger than you can imagine, what you have suggested to happen following the attacks will never become true.

 

[F-14]

We have said this all along to you that by supperising East turkistan and supporting Pakistani desings in the Indian subcontinent you will just invite terroist but would you listen no so now you have to handel it

 

[Mohan]

It is possible that the terrorist may be able to perform one or two attacks in China as some people have suggested. But China and Chinese people are much stronger than you can imagine, what you have suggested to happen following the attacks will never become true.

I appreciate that you are viewing it has terrorism. I think its just a spark that's awaiting from AQ or China if AQ strikes and China retaliates against Uighur's that's an attention/ invitation to the zombies to sign up to fight and here you have to also keep in mind about the external forces who will be more than happy to see that the attention is diverted to some where else.

Terrorism is not which is going to end soon.If it happens China will have hands full. You dont have to be strong, your community/population should have the resilience to fight back.

My 2 cents

 

[ejazr]

Al Qaeda caring for wider muslim "interests" is a laughable proposition at best.
Fawzan Berges's book on "The Far Enemy: Why Jihad Went Global" gives an excellent idea of how these people think. AQ is different from Taliban (be it the Afghan or Pakistan variety) for example who are focussed on local regimes. AQ on the other hand is trans-national.

You have to realize that it was only back in 1990s that Bin Laden and Co. decided to attack US and other western countries. Otherwise their plans were mostly targeted to toppling their local regimes in Egypt, Libya, Algeria or Saudi Arabia which they saw as too pro-American and establish a religious nationalist/fascist government in its place. Basically achieve geo-politcal power of a state and rule it according to their wishes. Islam was a convenient tool to achieve that.

The attempt failed mainly because the majority local population was against it and the regimes brutally cracked down on them. They also lost traditional clerical support once they resorted to violence. To regain their sagging image, Bin Laden's idea was the launching of a war against the US and cast it as a "us VS them" where he would get more recruits and finances. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars did help them in that sense for a while but as the truth came out through the media and Bush was replaced by Obama that "boost" was lost.

Now AQ is being more pragmatic and choosing China, it expects and WANTS a backlash against the local muslims so that they can get support from wealthy sympathizers and/or recruits in the Arab states.

IMO its more of a diversionary tactic to loose heat on it from US/Western countries and possibly co-opt them against China in the same way as it did against the Soviets in the Afghan war in the 80s. Remember these people hate the "godless" communists more than the "jews" and the "christians". Again that is just a speculation and I doubt if any western country would fall for it again.

Wether AQ will attack is not important, China should be taking a proactive appoach of (1) Opening up the media and allowing basic rights such as freedom of religions and (2) Cooperating with other countries (particularly on its borders) to counter AQ before it reaches its mainland

 

[roma]

what would the OIC contries think

If the Uighurs force the Chinese to escalate, it's going to get ugly for the Uighurs. China will seal off Xinjiang and then take any steps that she feels necessary. Does anybody seriously want to see this scenario unfold?

i have partially quoted martian in the above.

One of the main points of this thread was certainly not to encourage that kind of activity ( as al qaida has sugested ) neither was it really about whether al qaida would "win" but rather what would be the reaction of the reasonable OIC countries.

as martian has suggested, CPC might even seal off turkestan to "deal" with the situation .

Now what would the OIC countries think of that and how might they react ? that i hope will be covered in this discussion.

 

[nimo_cn]

I disgree with someone's view that CCP will retaliate Uighur if the attack is carried out by AQ. It will be an unwise decision for CPP to blame the terrorist attack on Uighur, which can only lead to resentment between Uighur and Han, this is the last thing CCP want to see.

 

[mattster]

It just seems to me that Al-Qaida is failing to scare anybody; Americans (9/11) or Russians (Chechnya) or Spaniards (train attack) or Chinese. Al-Qaida is succeeding in engendering hatred by non-muslims for muslims. Even the French are becoming anti-muslim:

"The French National Assembly announced Tuesday the creation of an inquiry into whether women in France should be allowed to wear the burka, one day after President Nicolas Sarkozy controversially told lawmakers that the traditional Muslim garment was "not welcome" in France." See French parliament to consider burka ban - CNN.com

Few people are talking about how scared we are of Al-Qaida or muslims. Like the French, most countries are thinking of ways to make life more unpleasant for muslims.

You tell me. Is Al-Qaida succeeding? Are the French afraid to impose a burqa ban? Or do you think Al-Qaida's terrorism is causing French blowback in proposing a burqa ban?

First of all....as far as the French decision on the burka - you are extrapolating way too far on an issue that you simply dont understand. if you think that the French decision is about the burka is about hatred towards Muslim, then you are seriously mistaken.

You dont understand French culture - they expect all people who migrate to France to assimilate French values. One of their most sacred values is the secular nature of government and public life.

Hence when they see Muslim women being covered up they fear that it will eventually make muslim women 2nd class citizens in their own country....this is what they dont want. Who the hell can blame them.....even most Muslims in France do not like the idea of the burka....including a Muslim female minister in the French cabinet.

The French response would have been no different even if a christian women wanted to wear a full head veil. Having said that, its no secret that a lot of the newer North African predominantly muslim immigrants to France are becoming an underclass, and there are a lot of social problems.

This again has nothing to do with the Al Queda factor.

 

[mattster]

Terrorism is a common enemy of all human-being. China, as a victim of terrorism, do not support any form of terrorism, at the same time condemn and fight against any form of terrorism.

Terrorism, in whatever country it have happened, for whatever purpose it is, should be denounced and condemned by all of us, because it is evil, it compromises the stability of the world.

Nimo_cn....very well said my Chinese friend; unfortunately your CCCP government does not believe in your noble principles listed above.

China has supported Pakistan for the last 40 years for only one reason and one reason only - because of Pakistan's ability to bleed India.

One Indian writer called China's strategy very nicely : Proxy war thru neighbour. (State sponsered terrorism thru Pakistan against India)

China supports some of the worst most brutal most repressive regimes and military juntas in the world in return for mining and oil and strategic resources like ports, etc. These are countries and regimes that kill and terrorize their own people and China will happily supply them arms to kill more of their own people as long as they give China what it needs.

You probably have no idea of the kind of regimes that China gets into bed with because all you guys ever read is your government censored horse-sh*t that they print and internet in China.

Go back and study your own country first and what its doing around the world before giving people lectures.

 

[gokulakannan]

Nimo_cn....very well said my Chinese friend; unfortunately your CCCP government does not believe in your noble principles listed above.

China has supported Pakistan for the last 40 years for only one reason and one reason only - because of Pakistan's ability to bleed India.

One Indian writer called China's strategy very nicely : Proxy war thru neighbour. (State sponsered terrorism thru Pakistan against India)

China supports some of the worst most brutal most repressive regimes and military juntas in the world in return for mining and oil and strategic resources like ports, etc. These are countries and regimes that kill and terrorize their own people and China will happily supply them arms to kill more of their own people as long as they give China what it needs.

You probably have no idea of the kind of regimes that China gets into bed with because all you guys ever read is your government censored horse-sh*t that they print and internet in China.

Go back and study your own country first and what its doing around the world before giving people lectures.

Well said mate, if china wants to talk about anti terrorism first they should not be a terrorist supporters e.g maoists and pakistanis
:viannen_51:

 

[ejazr]

Well said mate, if china wants to talk about anti terrorism first they should not be a terrorist supporters e.g maoists and pakistanis
:viannen_51:

Lets not generalise and make blanket statments. China has been responsbile of tolerating Pakistani based militants just becuase they wern't attacking "them". Its similar to how the US acted as well in a way.

But now they can realise that here Indian and Chinese interests converge and China should exercise their considerable influence to get Pakistan to dismantle ALL terror groups before it comes to bite them back.

 

[gokulakannan]

Lets not generalise and make blanket statments. China has been responsbile of tolerating Pakistani based militants just becuase they wern't attacking "them". Its similar to how the US acted as well in a way.

But now they can realise that here Indian and Chinese interests converge and China should exercise their considerable influence to get Pakistan to dismantle ALL terror groups before it comes to bite them back.

Ofcourse china may think like that, but pakistan will start playing double game asusual as it is doing. But the fact is, china is going to suffer finally like US which helped afghan terrorists long back and nothing is going to happen for china.

 

[nimo_cn]

Nimo_cn....very well said my Chinese friend; unfortunately your CCCP government does not believe in your noble principles listed above.

China has supported Pakistan for the last 40 years for only one reason and one reason only - because of Pakistan's ability to bleed India.

One Indian writer called China's strategy very nicely : Proxy war thru neighbour. (State sponsered terrorism thru Pakistan against India)

China supports some of the worst most brutal most repressive regimes and military juntas in the world in return for mining and oil and strategic resources like ports, etc. These are countries and regimes that kill and terrorize their own people and China will happily supply them arms to kill more of their own people as long as they give China what it needs.

You probably have no idea of the kind of regimes that China gets into bed with because all you guys ever read is your government censored horse-sh*t that they print and internet in China.

Go back and study your own country first and what its doing around the world before giving people lectures.

I am not lecturing you, so just calm down.

we are talking about terrorist who declared a war with China, not China's foreign policy.
Since terrorism is threatening the safty of many coutries, including India, i think we should talk about the measures we can take to fight against terrorist and the possibity for us to cooperate with each other on this issue.