Al-Qaeda has backfired on the United States - Putin

[parijataka]

^^^^
Sunni nations led by Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries are funding and arming Sunni groups in Syria to finish off Iran influence. Even in Pakhanistan the idiots are killing off their Shia brothers in daily acts of bombings and violence. Just imagine Catholics and Protestants locked in mortal combat across the West (happened perhaps only once, in Ireland) and killing off each other ! Even in so-called secular Turkey non-Sunni Alawites (of Syrian origin I believe) are made to undergo special `religous instruction` to bring them about to Sunni line of thinking.

US and West are playing along for their own benefit - sell armaments to all parties involved and put down Irani influence at the same time. There will be payback for the West.

 

[hello_10]

US position on Syria directly endorses terrorism - Lavrov

Washington's reaction to blasts in Damascus is a downright justification of terrorism, slams Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. US State Department announced that terror acts in Syria are not surprising in light of the Assad regime's actions.

"This is direct endorsement of terrorism. How are we supposed to understand that?" Sergey Lavrov shared his astonishment at a press conference in Moscow. "This is a sinister position, I cannot find words to express our attitude towards that."

Lavrov also expressed his surprise that the UN Security Council refused to condemn acts of terror in Syria. The US permanent representative to the UN Susan Rice has stated that terror acts in Damascus contribute to speeding up the adoption of a resolution on Syria according to the Chapter 7 of the UN Statute, which implies harsh sanctions, including resorting to force.

"In other words this means 'We are going to support such acts of terrorism until the UNSC does what we want'," Lavrov commented on the US representative's actions.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said recently that there should be closer work with opposition in Syria as it captures more and more territories to prepare new actions of resistance to the government in Damascus.

Lavrov noted that there were reports that the opposition has taken control over border posts on the Iraqi and Turkish border with Syria and reportedly, there were cases of looting of Turkish property. According to some sources it was not Free Syrian Army militants that captured those posts, but by groups linked to Al-Qaeda, and Russian diplomats are verifying this information.

"If such actions of taking territories by terrorists are supported by our partners, we would like to ask them what their position on Syria is. What do they want to achieve in this country?" Russian FM demanded.

As for the EU unilateral sanctions against Damascus, they contradict the decisions taken by the UN Security Council and agreements reached at the Geneva talks, stated Lavrov.

"We believe the chosen unilateral way contradicts the principal of shared management of affairs accorded with the Geneva agreement," Lavrov said, adding that Russia advocates collective discussion of any questions.

"Unfortunately, when the EU, US and some other states began to adopt sanctions on Syria they did not consult with us at all," Lavrov observed.

Now that the Syrian crisis is over a year and a half old it is not exactly correct to appeal to the Security Council to adopt sanctions, shared the Russian diplomat.

Lavrov stressed that should the international community intended to address the Syrian crisis collectively – it should have been done that way from the very beginning, dealing with both combatant sides equally.

The heads of the EU foreign ministries have made a decision to broaden the list of Syrian officials banned from EU, also freezing their bank accounts and assets in EU countries.

Additional measures have also been adopted to ensure arms embargo on Syria. Henceforth, sea vessels and cargo aircraft heading for Syria are subject to compulsory inspection in case there are grounds to suspect they carry arms and prohibited equipment to Syria.

US position on Syria directly endorses terrorism - Lavrov — RT

West's fears over Syria Islamists mount as coalition flounders - Reuters

(Reuters) - Western concern over the growing strength of jihadist rebels in Syria is mounting, hindering aid to the moderate Syrian National Coalition opposition and possibly pushing it into the arms of religiously conservative backers, diplomatic sources said.

The widely recognised coalition has failed to gain traction on the ground in Syria since being formed in November, its credibility undermined by its failure to secure arms and cash in the battle to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Meanwhile, the coalition's lack of cohesion - it this week failed to form a transitional government - has deterred the West from boosting aid to the group, in particular the guns and ammunition coalition fighters are crying out for.

That has left the door open to Islamist groups, funded and armed by wealthy Gulf states and individuals, to become the strongest fighting factions in Syria. They command local respect for their effectiveness, but alarm some in the West.

On Monday, Western and Syrian coalition officials hope to break the deadlock at a meeting in Paris, amid coalition accusations of broken promises of aid and splits in the West on how to address the Islamist presence in the Syrian rebel ranks.

"This meeting is to ring the alarm bell. We have to assure the coalition of our support and the support of the international community," said a French diplomatic source.

"We must avoid a government in exile. The objective is to have a direct impact on the ground. Bring value to the Syrians on the ground," the source added.

Syrian coalition officials say the best way to make an impact is to provide its poorly equipped fighters with weapons.

But Western diplomats are wary of the coalition's disunity, and are mindful of the spread of weapons to Islamists in Syria and across the volatile region.

French forces are currently battling Islamists in Mali, the insurgents armed with weapons thought to have come from Libya after the Western-backed 2011 uprising against Muammar Gaddafi.

"We have also learnt from experience and we're seeing it in Mali with weapons that came from Libya to the armed groups there now. What we don't want is weapons falling into the hands of the wrong people," the French source said.

It would have been easier to arm the rebels had they agreed to form a transitional government, the source added.

ISLAMIST INSURRECTION

Complicating matters are apparent divisions on how to handle Islamist groups such as the al Qaeda-linked Jabhat al-Nusra, one of the most coherent and disciplined anti-Assad forces in Syria.

The United States has proscribed the group as a terrorist organisation, and Britain is understood to share its concerns.

"It is a concern that the strongest groupings are Islamist fighters possibly linked to al Qaeda, and that clearly is a vital national interest for us to make sure that does not happen," said a Western diplomat on condition of anonymity.

But the Syrian coalition, mindful of alienating a group fighting for Assad's downfall, criticised the U.S. move, while France downplayed the Islamist influence.

"There are a multitude of groups and factions, political or military allegiances changing all the time ... we don't believe there can be an Islamist front," the French source said.

Meanwhile, there may be pressure on the Syrian coalition to turn to more religiously conservative backers, said mainly to be states and wealthy individuals in the Gulf, for arms and cash in the absence of aid from the West.

In the midst of negotiations in Istanbul to form a transitional government, Syrian coalition leader and moderate Sunni cleric Moaz Alkhatib flew to Sunni Muslim Qatar try to secure financial aid, opposition sources said on Sunday.

Conservative Gulf backing could make the coalition less inclusive, alienating Syrian minorities such as Alawites, Christians and Kurds and fanning ethno-sectarian violence.

Western powers are keen to avoid such an outcome.

"One of the main objectives of my diplomatic engagement and those of my Western colleagues is to keep the pressure on the national coalition to expand into the centre ground of Syrian opinion," said the Western diplomat.

The coalition has dismissed such concerns, but fears are mounting among Syria's minorities.

"A good number of Christians and Alawites don't see themselves represented neither in the regime nor the insurrection which they fear is increasingly dominated by radical Islamists," former senior Syrian military official and prominent defector Manaf Tlas told France's Le Monde newspaper.

West's fears over Syria Islamists mount as coalition flounders | Reuters

 

[spikey360]

Syria will become a second Afghanistan and again inflict a 9/11 towards its father, Uncle Sam.

 

[average american]

I figure what will happen is Egypt, Libya, Syria, will come more Islamic like Pakistan and then attack India when they get in conflict with Muslims and Pakistan. In the mean time many people of that region will see that Islamic goverments are a failure and start rioting like anti Islamic groups in Egypt are right now.

 

[spikey360]

I figure what will happen is Egypt, Libya, Syria, will come more Islamic like Pakistan and then attack India when they get in conflict with Muslims and Pakistan. In the mean time many people of that region will see that Islamic goverments are a failure and start rioting like pro Islamic groups in Egypt are right now.

True, all this has a strong possibility of happening, right after they kill what they term as 'The Great Satan'.

 

[hello_10]

US-Backed Syrian Opposition Demands Support for Al Qaeda

US-handpicked opposition leader, Moaz al-Khatib wants US to reconsider terror listing for Al Qaeda's al-Nusra front.

December 13, 2012 (LD) - As part of the US' charade in declaring support and recognition of the so-called "Syrian" opposition, it added one of the more extreme groups that make up the militant front operating inside Syria to a list of sanctioned terrorist organizations. The idea was to have a scapegoat to pin atrocities on while the West armed, funded, and provided military support for the rest of the extremist groups ravaging Syria. :thumb:

The ploy quickly fell apart however, when the US' own handpicked opposition leader, Moaz al-Khatib spoke out in protest. Reuters quoted al-Khatib as saying:
"The decision to consider a party that is fighting the regime as a terrorist party needs to be reviewed. We might disagree with some parties and their ideas and their political and ideological vision. But we affirm that all the guns of the rebels are aimed at overthrowing the tyrannical criminal regime."

Al-Khatib himself openly declares his intentions of establishing an "Islamic state" upon the ashes of the currently secular Syria, and has ties with the extremist Muslim Brotherhood. He was also a representative of Western big oil interests, in particular Royal Dutch Shell. Al-Khatib had worked at the al-Furat Petroleum Company for six years, according to the BBC, which is partnered with Shell Oil. Al-Khatib is also said to have lobbied for Shell in Syria between 2003-2004, and has likewise taught classes in both Europe and the United States, this according to his biography featured on his own website.

The implications of the US-backed "opposition coalition" in Syria clearly collaborating with and acting in support of the terrorist Jabhat al-Nusra front, identifies it as providing material support or resources to a designated foreign terrorist organization, as per USC § 2339B which reads:

"Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life. To violate this paragraph, a person must have knowledge that the organization is a designated terrorist organization (as defined in subsection (g)(6)), that the organization has engaged or engages in terrorist activity (as defined in section 212(a)(3)(B) of the Immigration and Nationality Act), or that the organization has engaged or engages in terrorism (as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989)."


Clearly, at the very least, the US cannot "recognize" such a group as the "representatives" of the Syrian people, nor can it support them in any manner, financial, militarily, or politically. To do so would implicate the US government itself as in violation of its own anti-terror laws.

The so-called "Syrian" opposition has been an increasing embarrassment to the Western interests that have maliciously arrayed them against the Syrian people, as far back as 2007. And while NATO is willfully utilizing Al Qaeda's own regional networks to flood terrorists into Syria, to have the leaders of their own contrived opposition front openly demand that Al Qaeda be given support and recognition gives the world's public insight into the depths of illegitimacy from which the West is operating in pursuit of regime change in Syria.

Land Destroyer: US-Backed Syrian Opposition Demands Support for Al Qaeda

with the above news, at the same time this Western Spy, Sonia, and her men like Shinde, Manmohan etc are going to put BJP in the list of Terrorist Organizations like LET, JEM, Al Qaeda etc.
we even hope to see a commando raid on the terrorist camps of BJP soon

=> RSS, BJP camps promoting Hindu terror: Sushilkumar Shinde - Times Of India

(yesterday I discussed that we have so many corrupts but PM like Mr LB shastri is not remembered for being an honest person, as every leader was almost the same that time. there was a time in late 90s when Mr Rajiv Gandhi lost election when he was 'alleged' for hardly 64crore corruption, while now we are ready for any political leader, whether corrupt or not, but at least nationalist, which is itself hard nowdays )

 

[hello_10]

with the above news, at the same time this Western Spy, Sonia, and her men like Shinde, Manmohan etc are going to put BJP in the list of Terrorist Organizations like LET, JEM, Al Qaeda etc.
we even hope to see a commando raid on the terrorist camps of BJP soon

=> RSS, BJP camps promoting Hindu terror: Sushilkumar Shinde - Times Of India

(yesterday I discussed that we have so many corrupts but PM like Mr LB shastri is not remembered for being an honest person, as every leader was almost the same that time. there was a time in late 90s when Mr Rajiv Gandhi lost election when he was 'alleged' for hardly 64crore corruption, while now we are ready for any political leader, whether corrupt or not, but at least nationalist, which is itself hard nowdays )

I just noticed that I wrote 90s by mistake here. Mr Rajiv Gandhi lost election in late 80s for being 'alleged' for hardly Rs64crore Boforce Tanks, which was in fact a very good selection, considered as the winner of Kargil war,.... :thumb:

 

[arnabmit]

Not tanks, howitzers...

I just noticed that I wrote 90s by mistake here. Mr Rajiv Gandhi lost election in late 80s for being 'alleged' for hardly Rs64crore Boforce Tanks, which was in fact a very good selection, considered as the winner of Kargil war,.... :thumb:

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Not tanks, howitzers...

Bofors scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bofors scandal was a major corruption scandal in India in the 1980s and 1990s, initiated by Congress politicians and implicating the prime minister, Rajiv Gandhi and several others who were accused of receiving kickbacks from Bofors AB for winning a bid to supply India's 155 mm field howitzer.[1] The scale of the corruption was far worse than any that India had seen before and directly led to the defeat of Gandhi's ruling Indian National Congress party in the November 1989 general elections. The Swedish company paid INR64 crore (US$11.65 million) in kickbacks to top Indian politicians and key defense officials.[2] The case came into light during Vishwanath Pratap Singh's tenure as defence minister, and was revealed through investigative journalism by a team led by N. Ram of the newspaper The Hindu.[3] The journalist who secured the over 350 documents that detailed the payoffs was Chitra Subramaniam reporting for The Hindu. Later the articles were published in The Indian Express and The Statesman when The Hindu stopped publishing stories about the Bofors scandal under immense government pressure and Chitra Subramaniam moved to the two newspapers. In an interview to her published in The Hoot in April 2012 on the 25th anniverssary of the revelations The Bofors story, 25 years after Lindstrom, former chief of Swedish police discussd why he leaked the documents and the role of whistle-blowers in a democracy.[1]

 

[Armand2REP]

The West will never support Al Queda insurgents anywhere, much less Syria.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The West will never support Al Queda insurgents anywhere, much less Syria.

Obama supports Morsi.

Morsi = Muslim Brotherhood

Does MB support AQ?

 

[Armand2REP]

Obama supports Morsi.

Morsi = Muslim Brotherhood

Does MB support AQ?

Not that brand of MB.

 

[hello_10]

The West will never support Al Queda insurgents anywhere, much less Syria.

sir right now Al Qaeda is mainly involved in Syria, and they must be having set goals, obviously??? I mean, they are also fighting for something there, along with the 'opposition party', who are also threatened with the Al Qaeda fighters. the Al Qaeda who are highly extremist, to achieve their religious goals.........

the chances are very less that rebels may be able to say 'no' if Al Qaeda order them at any stage, whether they win there or not. Al Qaeda is on the upper hand of this armed struggle, and working there as per their set plans, not as per what the rebels order them

its highly likely that Syria may be converted into a new Afghanistan, and then US will face the similar problems there as they currently have in Afghanistan, as Syria is no small country too..... no matter how good reasons, the US/West have to fund and arm this war, they will definitely not be able to control Al Qaeda, once they get strength in Syria .. US is considered as enemy number one of Islam, in the Arab nation too who are the main source of funds for Al Qaeda/Taliban in Afghanistan too, for their Sunni fanaticism and hence for the religious goals

 

[hello_10]

Bofors scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

look, the only thing that could be proved was, Bofors did have middle money, true, similar to major arm deals of rest of the world also who usually have middle men, and related corruption this way. and the only question it ever had, whether Mr R.Gandhi was also a beneficiary or not. while we find Gandhi family till 1990 owned the nation, they could do whatever they wanted/get whatever they wanted, they did have to go for this very small amount which made them lost the next election.....

most of the arm deals of the world have middle men, and hence easy corruption this way, nothing surprised for us while we are happy that the tanks were the best selection that time. but till now, there question is just one, whether Mr R.Gandhi was also one of the beneficiary or not? the only 'one' question of that scandle ever had, whose even inquiry has consumed even more money than the total amount of that scandle, Rs 64 crore

over five times they have spent to find out, whether Rajiv was also one of them ....

The CBI said that after 25 years and 250 crores, it had not been able to get Mr Quattrocchi extradited to India, despite appeals in both Malaysia and Argentina. He left India in 1993 to avoid being arrested.

Bofors: CBI allowed to close Quattrochi case | NDTV.com

but the time has been changed in such a way that we are even happy with the people who are corrupt, if they are at least loyal for the nation

 

[Armand2REP]

sir right now Al Qaeda is mainly involved in Syria, and they must be having set goals, obviously??? I mean, they are also fighting for something there, along with the 'opposition party', who are also threatened with the Al Qaeda fighters. the Al Qaeda who are highly extremist, to achieve their religious goals.......

France didn't invite Al Queda to the Syria party now did we? We have ZERO contact with Al Nusra or any other AQ affiliated group. Just because they take up a cause, how does that put us in the place of supporting them?

the chances are very less that rebels may be able to say 'no' if Al Qaeda order them at any stage, whether they win there or not. Al Qaeda is on the upper hand of this armed struggle, and working there as per their set plans, not as per what the rebels order them

Who is to say it is that or any other way? Right now, FSA hates these jihadi groups stealing their thunder. They even fight each other at times. They are two separate entities, Al Nusra sure as hell doesn't fight for them.

its highly likely that Syria may be converted into a new Afghanistan, and then US will face the similar problems there as they currently have in Afghanistan, as Syria is no small country too..... no matter how good reasons, the US/West have to fund and arm this war, they will definitely not be able to control Al Qaeda, once they get strength in Syria .. US is considered as enemy number one of Islam, in the Arab nation too who are the main source of funds for Al Qaeda/Taliban in Afghanistan too, for their Sunni fanaticism and hence for the religious goals

You really have no idea what the future of Syria holds. It isn't the West funding this insurgency, it is the Gulf Arab states. We are trying to make sure AQ doesn't hijack it and the secular FSA stays in control. So all this talk of hypocracy over AQ in one country opposed to another is simply bollocks. France supports the secular SNC as the only legitimate voice of Syria.

 

[parijataka]

The West will never support Al Queda insurgents anywhere, much less Syria.

The West will support anyone for their short term and long term objectives. And pay a price in the long run. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. US entered Afghanistan in 70's to overthrow the democratically elected communist govt and also teach a lesson to the then USSR, supported Islamic fighters funded by Saudi Arabia and trained by Pakistan, both close allies of USA. Afghanistan in the 70's was a peaceful country - god knows if the communist regime had continued Afghanistan might well have been like the secular ex-Soviet republics in Central Asia with high literacy and good health system - look at the wreck that Afghanistan is now, broken and hopeless. Iraq - another tragedy of US invasion.

The only countries that withstood powerful US were tiny Vietnam and Cuba - good for them ! Iran, not so little, reacted by replacing a US supported King with an extremist Islamic regime that will always be a thorn in their side. Believe me there will be payback in due course - in some form or other.

 

[average american]

Why Do Muslims Hate America? - YouTube

 

[average american]

Muslims Are Taking Over The World at an ALARMING Rate - MUSLIM IMMIGRATION - YouTube

 

[Armand2REP]

Why Do Muslims Hate America? - YouTube

Obama doesn't go after shit. I think killing Muslims makes him sick. That is why he leaves it to France.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The thread title is as pointless as people saying "Afghanistan was Russia's Vietnam."