Al-Khalid MBT And Pakisthani Armour

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  1. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Al-Khalid, Type 98 And T-90 Continue To Dominate World Tank Market

    In its annual analysis "The Market for Tanks," the Forecast International Weapons Group projects that the international market will produce over 6,500 main battle tanks, worth in excess of $26.76 billion, through 2018. However, while increased modernization and retrofit remains transparent to FI's analysis of new-production tanks, this factor remains a significant component of the international market.

    Dean Lockwood, weapons systems analyst at Forecast International, notes that "in 2008, U.S. Department of Defense contract awards for the maintenance, RESET, and upgrade of the existing M1 Abrams inventories carried a total value in excess of $1.46 billion.

    That was equivalent to more than 46 percent of the total value of all new-production main battle tanks entering the international market in 2008 (nearly $3.17 billion).

    Last year, the Chinese Type 98 program maintained its position as the single largest new-production program. Yet, with a total value of $395.79 million (for 116 new-production tanks), the Type 98 program was worth only about 27.11 percent what the U.S. DoD spent on the M1 Abrams in 2008."

    The expense associated with the modernization and retrofit of high-end main battle tanks pales in comparison with the prospect of new tank procurement.

    Thus, FI expects new production of high-end tanks to remain relatively low, accounting for 14.9 percent of all production and 24.22 percent of the value of the market during the forecast period.

    In terms of sheer numbers, Forecast International expects Pakistan's Al Khalid, the Type 98 of the People's Republic of China, and the Russian Federation's T-90 (including India's licensed T-90S production program) to continue to dominate the market, representing 60.57 percent of all new tanks rolling out worldwide, and accounting for 52.28 percent of the value of the market, through 2018.

    In the international market for main battle tanks, the days of U.S. and European domination over new production are long gone. Nevertheless, the established U.S. and European players continue to make their presence felt.

    The 120mm Rh 120 smoothbore ordnance, the state-of-the-art Leopard 2, and the combat-proven M1 Abrams continue to set the standard for main battle tank design worldwide.

    Second only to the infantryman in terms of combat effectiveness, the "mailed fist" of heavy armor remains the arm of decision on the modern battlefield.

    Further, as Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-present) evolved from a war of movement into a security operation, the main battle tank has proven surprisingly adaptable. According to Lockwood, "In the congested streets of Iraqi cities, the Abrams serves as a significant force multiplier, fully up to meeting the challenges of an asymmetric warfare environment."

    http://www.spacewar.com/reports/AlK...ntinue_To_Dominate_World_Tank_Market_999.html
     
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  3. ahmedsid

    ahmedsid Top Gun Senior Member

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    Is the Al Khalid that good a tank?? Bangladeshis rejected it, so did others, so how come its like this? I think the Al Khalid does what the Pakistanis want it to do, not sure if it can stand competition from others.
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    for rough terrain like our area T-90's are the best tank, they were modified with Russians just to suit the terrain, i am not to familiar with the al khalid or the numbers that are produced to make it a major export item?
     
  5. ahmedsid

    ahmedsid Top Gun Senior Member

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    The Al Khalid is perfect for Pakistan, but the thing is that its not Made in Pakistan per se, as many of the stuff in it is sourced from elsewhere and not made in Pakistan, so If sold too, Pakistan cant gurantee anything. This is what I know, someone can correct me otherwise.

    T90 is a good tank, but I would love to see the Merkava in India. Read somewhere that an Export version of Merkava is on the anvil. But the Best thing to do would be to go for the Arjun full throttle, as its an awesome platform I feel.
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

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    i like our Arjun too, it is based on the german leopard.
     
  7. ahmedsid

    ahmedsid Top Gun Senior Member

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    Yes, Arjun has more similarities with Western Tanks than with the Russian ones we grew up with. Thats one point I too Like.

    The Chinese tanks have good export value, especially in African Countries, but for the Al Khalid, though a capable machine, I dont see an export future.
     
  8. VayuSena1

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    I think that despite 3 decades of delay from Arjun's side, it was good that India stuck to the programme. Although Arjun is not a futuristic tank any more and the maximum operating lifespan of the current Arjun could be not more than 10 years, I think that the HVA team has learnt a lot from the project and therefore would not take much time in designing a futuristic tank independently (apart from the Indo-Russian joint venture planned).
     
  9. A.V.

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    any update on the indo- russian joint venture i read an article in nov 2008 about it, any details emerging on the type and when the deal might be signed?
     
  10. Rage

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    Peru in talks to buy Chinese MBT's

    Peru in talks to buy Chinese MBT's


    December.09 (China Military News cited from Reuters) — Peru is in talks to buy tanks (MBT-VT1A, see this post) from China and fighter planes from Brazil to replenish an “obsolete” military arsenal, officials said on Wednesday, just weeks after accusing Chile of starting an arms race.

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    President Alan Garcia has criticized Chile, which defeated Peru in the 19th century War of the Pacific, for negotiating the purchase of U.S. missiles and radar equipment.

    Garcia has also tried to spearhead an anti-arms initiative in Latin America, where countries like Venezuela, Brazil and Colombia have been beefing up their armed forces.

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    “The government is in talks to acquire a fleet of tanks made in China to replace some of the obsolete units of the armed forces,” Defense Minister Rafael Rey told local radio.

    “It’s about equipment replacement — not about entering an incessant arms race,” Prime Minister Javier Velasquez said on RPP radio.

    Peru said Super Tucano planes it buys from Brazil’s Embraer would be used to combat cocaine trafficking in remote parts of the Andes and Amazon jungle.

    Peru’s government, which hopes to replace Soviet-era tanks acquired in the 1970s, did not say how much it would spend on the new equipment.

    Chilean Defense Minister Francisco Vidal has said any U.S. equipment that Chile buys would cost much less than a recent $650 million estimate provided by the Pentagon.

    Vidal said potential purchases of missiles and Sentinel radar systems would not upset the military balance in South America.

    Chile’s armed forces have benefited from years of windfall copper earnings due to a law that entitles them to 10 percent of state copper giant Codelco’s sales. The government has sent a bill to Congress that aims to scrap the Codelco payment.


    Peru to buy Main Battle Tanks from China|China Military Power Mashup


    Full Weight: 49 tons
    Height: 2.4 meters (up to turret top)
    Width: 3.5 meters
    Length: 10.33 meters (gun forward)
    Crew number: 3 (with autoloader)

    Power: 1200 hp water-cooled turbocharged diesel engine
    Power-weight ratio: 24 hp/ton
    Maximum highway speed: 69 km/h
    Max operational range: 450 km
    Armament: 125 mm smoothbore gun, 7.62 parallel machine guns, 12.7 antiaircraft machine gun
    Maintainability: integrated power system
    Fire Control System: scan-targeting type.
    Protection: Main armor + modular composite reactive armor

    So, the next is the question why this VT1A tank looks so similar to Pakistan Al-Khalid MBT?

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    An evolution of Chinese and Soviet tanks, the Al-Khalid’s final tank design resulting from a decade of co-operative development was designated Type 90-IIM. Chinese company Norinco showed the new Type 90-IIM during the March 2001 Abu Dhabi Defense Expo, under the export name MBT 2000. The version powered by the Ukrainian engine, intended for domestic production in Pakistan, was named Al-Khalid. For this achievement, Pakistan spent more than US$20 million over ten years on the co-development of a model suitable for their needs and on creating a capability to manufacture it locally.

    But the appearance of VT1A tank just indicates that NORINCO wants to provide MBT 2000 technology for other developing countries, such as Sri Lanka. But Pakistan would get its payment for the selling of this twin young brother of Al-Khalid MBT?


    Excerpted (and modified] from:
    VT1A main battle tank, a twin young brother of Al-Khalid MBT?|China Military Power Mashup
     
  11. notinlove

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    Peru Confirms Purchase of MBT-2000/Al-Khalid Tanks

    President Garcia told the press that he considers as “correct” the decision of the Army and the Ministry of Defense to purchase Chinese tanks, and stressed that such a decision "doesn't contradict our vocation against an arms race."He advanced that this acquisition is “almost a fact” and that the respective draft agreements with the Asian country have already been signed.
    Garcia Perez added that thanks to his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao, "we got an important reduction, not in price, but in the first payment, and in the period of time in which they must be paid."The President explained that those tanks “are advanced technology,” and that this purchase is due to the fact that many of Peru's T-55 tanks need to be replaced.He also said that it would he “irresponsible and unpatriotic” to talk openly about the tank's technical specifications to the media, but that it might be discussed by the Defense Commission in Congress.
    he MBT 2000 (Al-Khalid) is a modern tank jointly developed by China and Pakistan and is in service since 2001. It has a crew of three men and a 125 mm smoothbore gun.It measures 10 meters long, 3.5 wide and 2.4 tall and has a combat weight of 48 tons, slightly less than their Western counterparts. It has a top speed of 65 km and a range of 450 kilometers. The secondary armament consists of two machine guns, one 12.7 mm anti-aircraft with 500 cartridges and a 7.62 coaxial with 2,500 cartridges.

    ASIAN DEFENCE: Peru Confirms Purchase of MBT-2000/Al-Khalid Tanks
     
  12. sayareakd

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    Great news for RAW, now RAW can buy a Al Khalid from Peru, put it on the IAF plane and bring it to India, so that we can examine its weaknesses in detail, i wish, China would sell more of these tanks to third world countries, that way we will have more opportunities to get look at al khalids.
     
  13. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    guy, tanks now is not high-tech toys any mroe. tanks are expendable toys now
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    your comment is relating to Al khalid, if that is so your pakistani brothers wont like that, BTW we love to play games with the Chines BMS for al khalid once RAW get hold of alkhalid from Peru.
     
  15. anoop_mig25

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    congrats to china they have developed a good tank indeed
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  16. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    It is good tank, check out chines quality of the tank

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  17. anoop_mig25

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    this photo doesn't tell anythings neither good or bad about. but u have to ambit Chinese have made a good tank in which some country are showing their interest to buy it.
     
  18. Solid Beast

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    It is specifically not an MBT2000 or Al Khalid but designated as VT-1A. It is essentially a new variant of the Type 99 family solely intended for export. The Pakistani army installed most of the components with western origin equipment as opposed to Chinese on the Al-Khalid so they are very different platforms all in all. I'll try to illustrate a better comparison as I get more information.
     
  19. sayareakd

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    try this one...........[​IMG]
     
  20. bhramos

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    hi saya whats your question???
    this definatly looks like T-72 to me.
     
  21. sayareakd

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    question about the quality of material on alkhalid and it is alkhalid tank..........
     

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