Aircraft Carrier Based AWACS for Indian Navy Importance

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I wish they had considered the V-22 version. The tilt-rotor is bloody useful and truly multi-role. I think we need a considerable fleet of AWACS and even ocean patrol military-grade and armed hovercrafts to patrol our coastline. From Andaman and Nicobar and Kolkata to Gujarat is a lot of waters. We would need at least 10 of these or equivalent versions (the DRDO/Embraer ones) to do the patrolling.

Last thing we'd want is another 26/11.
 

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V-22 has a rather less healthy safety record...They are a little difficult to fly..So, why bother induct some more Kamov based AWACs by installing Israeli systems this time...
 

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Latest Defence news: India keen on buying britains futuristic aircraft carrier

India keen on buying britains futuristic aircraft carrier


ShareA futuristic aircraft carrier that India is reported to be keen on buying from Britain is envisaged as a giant guardian of the high seas, capable of travelling thousands of kilometres from home and wreaking massive destruction on enemy targets, experts said Monday.

India has reportedly "lodged a firm expression of interest" in buying one of two huge aircraft carriers that are currently under construction - the largest warships ever built by Britain, and designed to be the most capable aircraft carriers outside the US Navy.

Britain is considering selling the warship to India for two billion pounds under a cost-cutting plan chalked out by its ministry of defence, the Observer reported Sunday quoting senior defence sources.

The two 65,000-tonne ships are being built for the Royal Navy by British Aerospace (BAE) - HMS Queen Elizabeth, on which work began this July will be the first to be rolled out in 2016. And preparatory work has started for the second, the Prince of Wales, due for launch in 2018.

A leading British naval expert told IANS the two warships embody a "huge quantum leap" in terms of technology, reach and power.

"It's all about power projection. The Indian Navy is in the process of expanding its reach as a naval force capable of operating far from its own shores," said Jon Rosamond, editor of the authoritative Jane's Navy International.

"The Indian Navy has been patrolling the Gulf of Aden on an anti-piracy mission, but this ship will increase its reach even further afield," he added.

"It would give India access to the Far East and even the Western Pacific. The aircraft carrier has a life span of 40-50 years, so there has been a lot of speculation. People are talking about the rivalry with China in particular," Rosamond told IANS.

The ships under construction are the result of recommendations that came out of a wide-ranging Strategic Defence Review (SDR) undertaken by the Labour government in 1997 of nearly every weapon system in Britain.

The SDR concluded: "The emphasis is now on increased offensive air power, and an ability to operate the largest possible range of aircraft in the widest possible range of roles."

The warships will be equipped with ski ramp-assisted takeoff at the front, which will suit the Sukhoi strike aircraft that India is buying from Russia, Rosamond said.

"It will be able to carry not only enhanced aircraft, but also more of them," Rosamond said.

Strategic experts said that the anticipated "quantum jump" in Indian naval power would have the backing of the world's major navies.
 

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Latest Defence news: India keen on buying britains futuristic aircraft carrier

India keen on buying britains futuristic aircraft carrier

This is an old rumor. And has been discussed to death.
ShareA futuristic aircraft carrier that India is reported to be keen on buying from Britain is envisaged as a giant guardian of the high seas, capable of travelling thousands of kilometres from home and wreaking massive destruction on enemy targets, experts said Monday.

India has reportedly "lodged a firm expression of interest" in buying one of two huge aircraft carriers that are currently under construction - the largest warships ever built by Britain, and designed to be the most capable aircraft carriers outside the US Navy.

Britain is considering selling the warship to India for two billion pounds under a cost-cutting plan chalked out by its ministry of defence, the Observer reported Sunday quoting senior defence sources.

The two 65,000-tonne ships are being built for the Royal Navy by British Aerospace (BAE) - HMS Queen Elizabeth, on which work began this July will be the first to be rolled out in 2016. And preparatory work has started for the second, the Prince of Wales, due for launch in 2018.

A leading British naval expert told IANS the two warships embody a "huge quantum leap" in terms of technology, reach and power.

"It's all about power projection. The Indian Navy is in the process of expanding its reach as a naval force capable of operating far from its own shores," said Jon Rosamond, editor of the authoritative Jane's Navy International.

"The Indian Navy has been patrolling the Gulf of Aden on an anti-piracy mission, but this ship will increase its reach even further afield," he added.

"It would give India access to the Far East and even the Western Pacific. The aircraft carrier has a life span of 40-50 years, so there has been a lot of speculation. People are talking about the rivalry with China in particular," Rosamond told IANS.

The ships under construction are the result of recommendations that came out of a wide-ranging Strategic Defence Review (SDR) undertaken by the Labour government in 1997 of nearly every weapon system in Britain.

The SDR concluded: "The emphasis is now on increased offensive air power, and an ability to operate the largest possible range of aircraft in the widest possible range of roles."

The warships will be equipped with ski ramp-assisted takeoff at the front, which will suit the Sukhoi strike aircraft that India is buying from Russia, Rosamond said.

"It will be able to carry not only enhanced aircraft, but also more of them," Rosamond said.

Strategic experts said that the anticipated "quantum jump" in Indian naval power would have the backing of the world's major navies.
This is an old rumor and has been discussed to death. Why do people bring this up all the time?
 

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How many times will we discuss the same old news of QE carrier..
 

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Naval AEW would be a welcome force multiplier

Venom -- The detection of fighter sized and ship sized target from 200+ KM is a workable scenario but what about the detection range of missiles? From what range can the enemy missiles be tracked by IN ships? Don't you still think that ship based AEW would cover the exposed assests of IN and would also provide a capable offensive force multiplication?

Also can you kindly let know the detection range of KA-31?
 

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The aircraft is incapable of autorotation, and is therefore unable to land safely in helicopter mode if both engines fail. A director of the Pentagon's testing office in 2005 said that if the Osprey loses power while flying like a helicopter below 1,600 feet (490 m), emergency landings "are not likely to be survivable"

US marine is the only entity, using V-22 as Military tiltrotor aircraft.......


Notable accidents

Main article: Accidents and incidents involving the V-22 Osprey
From 1991 to 2000 there were four significant crashes, and a total of 30 fatalities, during testing. Since becoming operational in 2007, the V-22 has had one loss due to accident, and seven other notable, but minor, aviation incidents.

On 11 June 1991, a mis-wired flight control system led to two minor injuries when the left nacelle struck the ground while the aircraft was hovering 15 feet (4.6 m) in the air, causing it to bounce and catch fire.

On 20 July 1992, a leaking gearbox led to a fire in the right nacelle, causing the aircraft to drop into the Potomac River in front of an audience of Congressmen and other government officials at Quantico, killing all seven on board and grounding the aircraft for 11 months.

On 8 April 2000, a V-22 loaded with Marines to simulate a rescue, attempted to land at Marana Northwest Regional Airport in Arizona, stalled when its right rotor entered vortex ring state, rolled over, crashed, and exploded, killing all 19 on board.

On 11 December 2000, after a catastrophic hydraulic leak and subsequent software instrument failure, a V-22 fell 1,600 feet (490 m) into a forest in Jacksonville, North Carolina, killing all four aboard. This caused the Marine Corps to ground their fleet of eight V-22s, the second grounding that year.

On 9 April 2010, a CV-22 crashed near Qalat, Zabul Province, Afghanistan, killing four. It has been reported that the pilot flew too low in a brownout and struck a hill.

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Not worthy candidate for Awacs!
 

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Venom -- The detection of fighter sized and ship sized target from 200+ KM is a workable scenario but what about the detection range of missiles? From what range can the enemy missiles be tracked by IN ships? Don't you still think that ship based AEW would cover the exposed assests of IN and would also provide a capable offensive force multiplication?

Also can you kindly let know the detection range of KA-31?
Ka-31 Radar Picket Naval Helicopter - Air Force Technology
 

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The only worthy AWACS is US made hawk-eyes, As DRDO is making our own AWACS in future may be we will find some suitable platform for navel AWACS..
The hawk-eye will preform only on AC1 and AC2..
INS Vikramaditya will be using KA-31..
Indian Navy showed no interest in V22 yet..
 

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Best option for IN is E-2D Hawkeye...However i dont think they can operate from Vikramaditya and IAC-I...Till IAC-II comes we can operate these from shore based facilities...
 

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i think after the land based mini awacs the drdo should develop the carrier based awacs based on hal-uac multirole transport aircraft or the rta 70 platform.
 

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Not worth considering as long as Indian carriers don't acquire CATOBAR technology. Till then we could do with the shore based E-2D Adavanced Hawkeyes. That's probably the best naval AWACS platform in the world.
 

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US will never give us all the latest technology in the upcoming e-2d hawkeye and the final airecraft which we will receive will be only as good as v-22 and that too with large no. of restrictions.
 

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US will never give us all the latest technology in the upcoming e-2d hawkeye and the final airecraft which we will receive will be only as good as v-22 and that too with large no. of restrictions.
Well, that is the price you end up paying when you depend on others !! Still, even a somewhat low tech version of the E2-D will be better than anything we have and anything that is currently available unless our own AWACS designed by HAL launches a carrier based version of the Embraer 145.
 

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Well, that is the price you end up paying when you depend on others !! Still, even a somewhat low tech version of the E2-D will be better than anything we have and anything that is currently available unless our own AWACS designed by HAL launches a carrier based version of the Embraer 145.
Embraer don't have any Naval based platform for AWACS, But Russia can provide Yak-44 ( Closed Project ) It will be restated as Russian were too looking at NAVAL AWACS system for their carriers..





We just need the NAVAL platform for OUR Awacs system to be mounted.. :emot180:

Yakovlev Yak-44 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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But Russia can provide Yak-44 ( Closed Project ) It will be restated
YAK was dead meat in mid ninties - any timetable of its revival?
If not, why talk about it?
 

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US will never give us all the latest technology in the upcoming e-2d hawkeye and the final airecraft which we will receive will be only as good as v-22 and that too with large no. of restrictions.

didnt US congress cleared hawk eye for sale to INDIA and UAE...??we were only the second country to be given such an opportunity but we didnt had a base to fly it so....
there are no restriction-we are not pakistan-we pay them not buy for free or on credit so any use will be under order of Union of India....
 

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didnt US congress cleared hawk eye for sale to INDIA and UAE...??we were only the second country to be given such an opportunity but we didnt had a base to fly it so....
there are no restriction-we are not pakistan-we pay them not buy for free or on credit so any use will be under order of Union of India....
What? can you expound it further please, and substantiate?
 

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YAK was dead meat in mid ninties ( In Early 90s ) - any timetable of its revival?
If not, why talk about it?
Simply Coz the talk is abt possible Naval Platforms for Indian AWACS for Indian Carriers..

Reason why is posted already..

You have a better Idea pls share..
 

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