Agni V Missile

Illusive

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2010
Messages
3,674
Likes
7,312
Country flag
Actually range of Agni 5 missile is 8,000 km why are we down playing range of Agni 5 missile.
It doesn't matter if it's officially 8k range, European nations already know the range of this missiles, not the public but those who need to know. Like someone said, if it's official, then brace for another slander campaign. Public opinion is unnecessary.
 

Skdas

Regular Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2017
Messages
204
Likes
427
Good news! But are we still expecting K4 launch in the pipeline for tommrow maybe?
 

Kalki_2018

Regular Member
Joined
Jun 28, 2017
Messages
720
Likes
1,253
Country flag
DRDO only says greater than 5000 km. Can mean 6K,7K or 8K. Range alone has no meaning without payload. A-5 is supposed to have max payload of 1.5 tonne
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kay

indus

Living in Post Truth
Senior Member
Joined
May 31, 2017
Messages
5,062
Likes
22,004
Country flag
5 to 6000 kms range is sufficient to cover all of China our immediate and visible threat. No need to push for larger ranges right now. Instead focus shld be on validating mirv, manuverable warheads and canisterisation. Also serial production should commence asap.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kay

sayareakd

Mod
Joined
Feb 17, 2009
Messages
17,734
Likes
18,952
Country flag
5 to 6000 kms range is sufficient to cover all of China our immediate and visible threat. No need to push for larger ranges right now. Instead focus shld be on validating mirv, manuverable warheads and canisterisation. Also serial production should commence asap.
Just have yam manoeuvreing trejectory for Agni5 that will take care of any mid course interceptor.
We already mastered this tech in Prithvi and K series.
Once this happen add MIRV.
 

vinuzap

Regular Member
Joined
Nov 15, 2016
Messages
509
Likes
693
enough to destroy north china or does it cover whole china hopefully we will speed up other agni series to completely cover china
 

Kyubi

Regular Member
Joined
Oct 30, 2013
Messages
486
Likes
511
Country flag
3000000000000000000000000000000000000000
But dragon breathes fire mate what would an elephant do then..

Point here is why is India termed as Elephant , leaving aside the historic precedence.. why is it still being done now.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 

Kshithij

DharmaYoddha
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2017
Messages
2,242
Likes
1,961
But dragon breathes fire mate what would an elephant do then..

Point here is why is India termed as Elephant , leaving aside the historic precedence.. why is it still being done now.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
India is famous for Elephant. Since ancient times, war elephant culture was developed in India and a massive importance was given to elephants culturally too. In Mahabharatha too, an elephant was named as Ashwatthama and killed to fool Dronacharya (Ashwatthama Hatha Kunjara). That is why India is represented by elephant.

India is also famous for tigers but Tigers don't have much of cultural significance. Elephants are considered as majestic - strong but gentle. Also, no other culture emphasises elephants as much as Indian (Lanka, Myanmar, Thailand, Nepal are also Indian cultural derivative)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kay

aghamarshana

Mitron......naacho
Senior Member
Joined
Feb 19, 2017
Messages
2,031
Likes
10,867
Country flag
India is famous for Elephant. Since ancient times, war elephant culture was developed in India and a massive importance was given to elephants culturally too. In Mahabharatha too, an elephant was named as Ashwatthama and killed to fool Dronacharya (Ashwatthama Hatha Kunjara). That is why India is represented by elephant.

India is also famous for tigers but Tigers don't have much of cultural significance. Elephants are considered as majestic - strong but gentle. Also, no other culture emphasises elephants as much as Indian (Lanka, Myanmar, Thailand, Nepal are also Indian cultural derivative)
Also,not to forget the mighty Alexander of the west pissed at Hydaspes watching Indian war elephants in action...Chandragupta Maurya gave Seleucus Nicator 500 Indian war elephants in exchange for a matrimonial alliance(including Afghania)...Such is the stature of Indian elephants across the world...Considering our history,it is apt to call India as an Elephant....Elephant frightened Alexander,Dragon didn't frighten even Mongols coz it is fiction.
 
Last edited:

HariPrasad-1

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 7, 2016
Messages
9,613
Likes
21,085
Country flag
DRDO only says greater than 5000 km. Can mean 6K,7K or 8K. Range alone has no meaning without payload. A-5 is supposed to have max payload of 1.5 tonne
DO not speculate. It is truth. Saraswat himself has acknowledged the same in his interview.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kay

HariPrasad-1

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 7, 2016
Messages
9,613
Likes
21,085
Country flag
The same discussion happens here in DFI once before ,despite all these super-computer/ simulator we can never reach the proficiency of P5 nation who tasted these nukes thousands of time and perfected these design based on live results...whats ur opinion ?
The issue here is that nothing happens from only simulating capability. For simulation, you need DATA. Only you have a huge numbers of DATA, they can be simulated. So basic DATA is very important. If we get data, we can run simulation on it.
 

HariPrasad-1

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 7, 2016
Messages
9,613
Likes
21,085
Country flag
One test itself was 45kT. Rest were smaller fission bombs.

North Korea tested 200kT bomb directly without going to Megaton range. So, your theory fails here too. Also, fizzle is not practical if the maximum explosive capacity of first stage was 15-20kt while explosion was of 45kT. The second stage must have been exploded to give at least 20kT
The issue here is how much was designed yield and how much fusion material was put as secondary fuel. If the designed yield was achieved than it is OK and not otherwise.
 

Kyubi

Regular Member
Joined
Oct 30, 2013
Messages
486
Likes
511
Country flag
We can worry about the dragon breathing fire when it comes out of fiction. Same, we can worry about cheena's maal, when it is actually potent.
Good thing we got that all cleared up .. now back to Agni and its dominance over asian skies ..

Thanks to rest of the gentlemen here for explaining the historical impact of elephants in our earlier wars.. amid the constant stereotyping of Indians , i didnt want our nation to be coined as a pachyderm which for an average person represents imposing, majestic yet slow and lumbering giant.

Nevertheless its good to invoke our prowess with animals which have been reared to fight and i suppose with a growing military and economic might it serves right to be depicted as the mighty elephant..

Again forgive me for digressing from the issue. Back to ICBMs folks.. [emoji573][emoji573]

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 

cyclops

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2016
Messages
1,319
Likes
5,767
Country flag
But dragon breathes fire mate what would an elephant do then..

Point here is why is India termed as Elephant , leaving aside the historic precedence.. why is it still being done now.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Does it matter?
An extinct lizard vs a living breathing giant.
 

Indibomber

Regular Member
Joined
Sep 5, 2015
Messages
584
Likes
1,039
India is also famous for tigers but Tigers don't have much of cultural significance
Incorrect In Hindu culture, the tiger is the chosen mode of travel of gods and goddesses. Maa Durga choose tiger as her mode on transport during the war, Lord Ayyappa, the third son of Shiva, is also rides on a tiger. Kshatriya's/Sikhs in north India have there last names as Singh meaning Tiger to boost the moral.
 

Adioz

शक्तिः दुर्दम्येच्छाशक्त्याः आगच्छति
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 14, 2015
Messages
1,419
Likes
2,819
@Kyubi It seems like the folks on this thread are intent on carrying forward with the Tiger-Elephant vs Dragon debate.

The issue here is that nothing happens from only simulating capability. For simulation, you need DATA. Only you have a huge numbers of DATA, they can be simulated. So basic DATA is very important. If we get data, we can run simulation on it.
There was a page I read about the possibility of numerical model validation by sub-critical tests. So if the government does give the go ahead for sub-critical testing, we can validate the mathematical model we have from our existing data and then use it to simulate next generation of Indian nukes with a greater confidence. But we have to be careful not to attract sanctions. Maybe we are waiting for a time when we are big enough that most countries do not consider imposing sanctions on us and hurting themselves in the process just because we conducted sub-critical testing.
 

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top