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Something's seriously wrong with our missiles, it like there's just a 50-50 chance of any missile in our arsenal working,

And a missile can be launched at any time of a day, these fools at DRDO are calling it a damn night test - as if a missiles guidance systems doesn't work at night time,

Can't say I'm surprised, kudos to DRDO ::((.
Before you call DRDO a fool you kindly try to learn more about missile testing. different timming of testing is associated with the concept of data gathering. Some parameters of a missile test can be well recorded during different parts of the day. on over all basis at DAWN the optimization takes place.Dont get enraged by this failure. We are not pakistan, just look at china they hv more failures than us. So it will be just a matter of time that we get it right and importently this failure has nothing to do with the present AGNI II's available with army.This was a modified one with a much more stringent criterion to fulfill.
 

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Before you call DRDO a fool you kindly try to learn more about missile testing. different timming of testing is associated with the concept of data gathering. Some parameters of a missile test can be well recorded during different parts of the day. on over all basis at DAWN the optimization takes place.Dont get enraged by this failure. We are not pakistan, just look at china they hv more failures than us. So it will be just a matter of time that we get it right and importently this failure has nothing to do with the present AGNI II's available with army.This was a modified one with a much more stringent criterion to fulfill.
When they said it is a "repeat firing to prove reliability", why would there be new additions/modifications.
 

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I dont normally agree with Koji, but the man has a point when he says that
"Clearly, something must be wrong if the missile is continually being tested for over a decade"

You mean to say that this missile which was successful in multiple tests that were conducted in the early 2000's, suddenly does not seem to work reliably anymore.
mattster if you are folloowing the testing of missiles by India then you will say that even prithvi is having problem but there is lot of disguise applied in testing if you see clearly the reports of tests of sagarika/shourya they were tested "several times" before getting reported as "first test". I am getting a feelingthat there is something cooking now :D

Unless they have added a whole bunch of new enhancements to the missile to warrant a new set of tests - I just dont get it.
A new guidence system has been added

There could have been manufacturing, assembly, component reliability, or even testing issues that could have caused a failure like this.

But 10 bloody years should give you enough time to iron out all these issues and create a reliable manufacturing process for this system.
First you don't know what was the cause of failure (or it is so :) ) so let's see how the reports come and then start the rona dhona
 

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The only operational missile in India right now is the SRBM Prithvi, and we talk of standing upto China.
Time to disband the DRDO IMO. We can't let an inapt organization dither us on our path to greatness.
 

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I think people are jumping the gun

First night trial of Agni-II conducted

"It was a smooth launch. Data relating to various parameters of the missions' objectives are being analysed," said a defence official who witnessed the test launch.
On the significance of conducting night trial, a DRDO scientist said since it is a training exercise for the end-users, one should be familiar with the operation in extreme conditions.

The first trial of Agni-II was on 11th April 1999 and the last test was conducted on 19th May 2009 from the Wheeler Island, which was not "fully successful".
 

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A new guidence system has been added
so you mean to say that our previous guidance systems were no good?
INS is very very accurate, then why the need to use new guidance system when our GPS-like sat network is not ready ?

First you don't know what was the cause of failure (or it is so :) ) so let's see how the reports come and then start the rona dhona
Was this missile ever successfully tested ? How do we know it was ? Was it not operational then ?
 

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Agni II testfired at night

PNS | New Delhi

The first ever night test of the indigenously designed and developed Agni-II missile was conducted at Wheeler Island, Orissa on Monday. The missile can hit a target at a range of more than 2,000 km and is capable of carrying conventional and nuclear warheads. The missile, 20 metres in length and weighing 17 tonnes, is propelled by solid fuel.

The main aim of this launch, carried out at 7.50 pm, was to familiarise users, including the Army and Navy, with the intricacies of the missile technology in a night launch. The missile was inducted into the Army two years ago and user tests involving Army engineers were conducted on a regular basis.

The user trials entailed the services playing the main role in the preparation and launch of the missile while the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) scientists took the back seat. This was aimed at simulating real situation and giving a chance to the user to fire the missile, sources said here on Monday.

Moreover, the tests were carried out from various platforms, including mobile vehicles to provide speed, they said. The night test was conducted from a mobile launcher, they added.

The DRDO scientists would review the results and performance of the missile and users in the next few days. It would enable the scientists and the Army to learn appropriate lessons and cut out the mistakes in the next launch.

The Pioneer > Online Edition : >> Agni II testfired at night
 

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so you mean to say that our previous guidance systems were no good?
INS is very very accurate, then why the need to use new guidance system when our GPS-like sat network is not ready ?
Are you trying to say there should be no improvements that should be done from previous versions

Was this missile ever successfully tested ? How do we know it was ? Was it not operational then ?
Can you check the link I posted above your post
 

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Niteshji,

Improvements are done on things that work.
Agni was first tested in late 90s and in 2009 it is still not operational ? Its time we stop making excuses of "improvements".
 

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Niteshji,

Improvements are done on things that work.
Agni was first tested in late 90s and in 2009 it is still not operational ? Its time we stop making excuses of "improvements".
Have you read the links provided and made the statements?
 

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Singji Agni -II is operational. And why should not there be scope of improvement ? Why should they test something operational if there is not something new to test on (of course none of the self made experts like us have the proper knowledge what is it all about). I am happy atleast they dont cover up things and publish if there is failure which gives more credibility when they declare success.
 

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Have you read the links provided and made the statements?
Have you ?
Which Indian Ballistic Missile's are operational ?

Prithvi -> Operational/ 300km range
Agni 1 -> Operational / 750km range
Agni 2 -> Inoperational
Agni 3 -> Inoperational
Shaurya -> Inoperational*
 

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[mod] If you put such a crappy post again you will be banned permanently right now cool off your head for some time and come back [/mod]
 

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Singji Agni -II is operational. And why should not there be scope of improvement ? Why should they test something operational if there is not something new to test on (of course none of the self made experts like us have the proper knowledge what is it all about). I am happy atleast they dont cover up things and publish if there is failure which gives more credibility when they declare success.
sabirji,

An operational missile doesn't fail this often and nor does it require so many "improvements". An operational missile's subsytems, designs are frozen, user trials have been successfully conducted and then it is mass produced and inducted.

How can India claim to have operationalized missile when its guidance system still requires tweaking and it fails this often in user trials ?
 

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Agni-II missile fails to clear night trial

The night trial was seen as a major step towards making Agni-II fully operational in the strategic forces command (SFC). While the launch was smooth, the versatile and indigenously developed surface-to-surface missile failed to fully deliver its goals.

The first trial of Agni-II was done on April 11, 1999 and the last test was conducted on May 19, 2009, which was also not "fully successful".

Agni-II missile fails to clear night trial: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.
 

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These clearly proves that this test was to give the user more confidence on using the missile :)
 

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^^ well it has given confidence to perhaps only the terrorists.
 

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DRDO admits N-capable Agni-II failed night testing

New Delhi: The first-ever night firing of the Agni-II Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) on Monday failed, admitted Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).


DRDO is investigating the cause of the failure.


The nuclear capable missile was test-fired on Monday night from the Wheeler Island off Orissa coast.


Agni-II was test-fired from a mobile launcher intended to train the end-user, the Strategic Force Command of the Indian Army, to operate the missile in adverse conditions.


Even though the missile took-off smoothly and reported no glitch in the first stage separation, the missile appeared to have failed to meet the desired results mid-way at the second stage separation, DRDO sources said.


Strategic Forces Command conducted the test with necessary logistic support by various ITR laboratories and DRDO scientists.


The purpose of the test was to validate procedures for night firing.


The indigenous weapon is a two-stage solid propelled ballistic missile and has a weight of 17 tonnes and length of 20 metres. It can carry a payload of one tonne over a distance of 2,000 km.


Agni-II was developed by Advanced Systems Laboratory along with other DRDO laboratories and integrated with Bharat Dynamics Ltd, Hyderabad with the private sector participating in a big way in its production.


The missile is part of the Agni series which included Agni-I (700 km range) and Agni-III (3,500 km range). Agni-I was already inducted and Agni-III is in the process of induction, the officials added.
 

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I for one would take either side's version(succesful/unsuccesful) with a pinch of salt, i had once been to chandipur on sea in the late nineties when pinaka testing was going on(i was not inside the testing facility itself but styed at someone's place who worked in the same) , one thing is certain there is no media presence allowed inside the testing facility whatever comes out is via official reports these reports may be true or as someone once told me "designed to lull the enemy into a false sense of confidence". The indian missile program is pretty secretive and misinformation is the key to this secrecy.
 

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