Aftermath of Trump Victory

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new potential contenders from the Democratic Party. All of them had one thing in common - they can raise a lot of money.
That is another dangerous takeaway from Trump victory. It has shown how bored billionaires could seriously disrupt election with their own money even sidestepping all political parties.

We can see rise in such high net worth presidential contenders who will of course not be bound to tow traditional party lines by virtue of their wealth and copy pasting Trump tactics.
 

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That is another dangerous takeaway from Trump victory. It has shown how bored billionaires could seriously disrupt election with their own money even sidestepping all political parties.

We can see rise in such high net worth presidential contenders who will of course not be bound to tow traditional party lines by virtue of their wealth and copy pasting Trump tactics.
I think you misunderstood.

"Can raise a lot of money" implies a person who himself might not be a billionaire-by-virtue-of-business, but can get other wealthy corporations to donate money to him and his political campaign. Now, it is a no-brainer that when wealthy corporations financially back politicians, they do not do it for philanthropic reasons.

Said that, yes, wealthy people can disrupt a political process. You have to understand, wealth alone cannot make one the President. Trump had to work hard, win the primaries, campaign all over the country, then unite the party (much of which was not willing to back him). He finally went on to win the election, and even after that, managed to keep most of the electors from the Electoral College faithful.

Also, the President has to work with the Congress. The President does not have infinite power. The President can veto a bill passed by the Congress, but if there is strong support for a bill, the Congress can override the Presidential veto.

Recently, Obama vetoed the bill entitled "Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act," but the Congress overrode that veto.
 

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I think you misunderstood.

"Can raise a lot of money" implies a person who himself might not be a billionaire-by-virtue-of-business, but can get other wealthy corporations to donate money to him and his political campaign. Now, it is a no-brainer that when wealthy corporations financially back politicians, they do not do it for philanthropic reasons.

Said that, yes, wealthy people can disrupt a political process. You have to understand, wealth alone cannot make one the President. Trump had to work hard, win the primaries, campaign all over the country, then unite the party (much of which was not willing to back him). He finally went on to win the election, and even after that, managed to keep most of the electors from the Electoral College faithful.

Also, the President has to work with the Congress. The President does not have infinite power. The President can veto a bill passed by the Congress, but if there is strong support for a bill, the Congress can override the Presidential veto.

Recently, Obama vetoed the bill entitled "Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act," but the Congress overrode that veto.
May be I did. :biggrin2:

I agree wealth alone is not enough to win .
But it can disrupt things. What trump showed that one can even make money out of elections :scared2:

He would've won even if he would've losto_O

That's dangerous precedence but also quite intriguing. Wealth was considered a dirty thing for top post candidates now that era is over.:hmm:
 

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May be I did. :biggrin2:

I agree wealth alone is not enough to win .
But it can disrupt things. What trump showed that one can even make money out of elections :scared2:

He would've won even if he would've losto_O

That's dangerous precedence but also quite intriguing. Wealth was considered a dirty thing for top post candidates now that era is over.:hmm:
Long back in the day in the United States, only wealthy landowners were allowed hold political office. The understanding was that wealthy people are already rich, and would be incorruptible, while allowing poor people in political office would make them vulnerable to bribery, because, given they are poor, they could be easily manipulated with money.
 

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Meryl Streep Cries Over Donald Trump at Golden Globes:


Donald Trump responds using his favourite means to communicate with his peeps, i.e., Twitter:


Now, Andy Borowitz jokes about this in this article:

Russia Bans Meryl Streep Movies
By Andy Borowitz
January 10, 2017

PHOTOGRAPH BY UNIVERSAL / EVERETT

The Borowitz Report)—In a sweeping act of official censorship, the Russian government has banned all Meryl Streep movies from the country, effective immediately.

Moviegoers at Moscow’s Kinoteatr 16 movieplex were taken aback on Monday night when government agents stormed the projection booth and seized a copy of “Florence Foster Jenkins,” the 2016 Streep film that was unspooling.

But the full force of the ban was not felt until Tuesday morning, when the Ministry of Internal Affairs ordered police to go door to door, confiscating Streep DVDs from Russian citizens.

“I was terrified,” Vasily Dmitrovic, who lives in St. Petersburg, said. “They broke down my door. My wife was screaming. They would not leave until I handed over ‘Mamma Mia!’ ”

In an appearance on state television, Russian President Vladimir Putin offered no reason for the ban, other than to say that Streep was “overrated.”
 

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This tillerson, trump's choice for Secretary of State. Going by his statements, he is not going to go against china. He is saying he won't recommend sanctions against any country with could harm American business interests.

China might get another 4 years of free ride.

Based on confirmation hearing going on right now.

@pmaitra is this guy the only candidate or are there others?
 

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This tillerson, trump's choice for Secretary of State. Going by his statements, he is not going to go against china. He is saying he won't recommend sanctions against any country with could harm American business interests.

China might get another 4 years of free ride.

Based on confirmation hearing going on right now.

@pmaitra is this guy the only candidate or are there others?
He's talking of our buddy Putin not China u dumb sunuvagun. Liberals and SJWs are happily unaware of what's going to happen to them.

PEPE Death Squads!
 

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He's talking of our buddy Putin not China u dumb sunuvagun. Liberals and SJWs are happily unaware of what's going to happen to them.

PEPE Death Squads!
First!!! What is "dumb sunuvagun"?

Watch the full session, I am talking about the QA with senator who came before Marco Rubio.
 

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First!!! What is "dumb sunuvagun"?

Watch the full session, I am talking about the QA with senator who came before Marco Rubio.
It means you got it backwards. Russia sells oil and gas. If Trump sanctions it then their is no way to overstep OPEC. China has no basis for a sanction other than being Pakis pimp and a general pain in the ass for the pacific asia region.
 

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Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.


A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.”

There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election. And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

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This tillerson, trump's choice for Secretary of State. Going by his statements, he is not going to go against china. He is saying he won't recommend sanctions against any country with could harm American business interests.

China might get another 4 years of free ride.

Based on confirmation hearing going on right now.

@pmaitra is this guy the only candidate or are there others?
Only candidate for the post of Secretary of State? Yes.

There are other candidates for other posts in the Trump Cabinet.

The post of Attorney General is allocated to Jeff Sessions, and his hearing has been contentious.
 

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"NO! I WILL NOT GIVE YOU A QUESTION! YOU ARE FAKE NEWS!" DONALD TRUMP TO CNN REPORTER AT PRESS CONF

Full Press Conference, for those that have the time:
WATCH FULL: President-Elect Donald Trump Holds Press Conference at Trump Tower (1/11/2017)
 
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Trump secretary of state nominee: China should be denied access to South China Sea islands


Rex Tillerson, former chairman and chief executive officer of Exxon Mobil, is seated prior to testifying before a Senate Foreign Relations Committee confirmation hearing on his nomination to be U.S. secretary of state, on Capitol Hill in Washington, U.S. January 11, 2017. ...REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst


By David Brunnstrom and Matt Spetalnick | WASHINGTON
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's nominee for secretary of state set a course for a potentially serious confrontation with Beijing on Wednesday, saying China should be denied access to islands it has built in the contested South China Sea.

In comments expected to enrage Beijing, Rex Tillerson told his confirmation hearing before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee that China's building of islands and putting military assets on those islands was "akin to Russia’s taking Crimea” from Ukraine.

Asked whether he supported a more aggressive posture toward China, he said: “We’re going to have to send China a clear signal that, first, the island-building stops and, second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed.”

The former Exxon Mobil Corp (XOM.N) chairman and chief executive did not elaborate on what might be done to deny China access to the islands it has built up from South China Sea reefs, equipped with military-length airstrips and fortified with weapons.

Trump's transition team did not immediately respond to a request for specifics on how China might be blocked from the artificial islands.

Tillerson also said Washington needed to reaffirm its commitment to Taiwan, which Beijing regards as a renegade province, but stopped short of Trump's questioning of Washington's long-standing policy on the issue.

"I don’t know of any plans to alter the 'one China' position," he said.

Tillerson said he considered China’s South China Sea activity "extremely worrisome" and that it would be a threat to the "entire global economy" if Beijing were able to dictate access to the waterway, which is of strategic military importance and a major trade route.

He blamed the current situation on what he termed an inadequate U.S. response. "The failure of a response has allowed them just to keep pushing the envelop on this," Tillerson said.

"The way we’ve got to deal with this is we’ve got to show back up in the region with our traditional allies in Southeast Asia," he said.

Democratic President Barack Obama’s administration conducted periodic air and naval patrols to assert the right of free navigation in the South China Sea. These have angered Beijing, but seeking to blockade China's man-made islands would be a major step further and a step that Washington has never raised as an option.

Under his strategic "pivot" to Asia, Obama has increased the U.S. military presence in the region, and Trump has vowed a major naval buildup.

Tillerson's words also went beyond Trump's own tough rhetoric on China.

Obama has sought to forge a united front in Southeast Asia against China’s pursuit of its territorial claims, but some allies and partners who are rival claimants have been reluctant to challenge Beijing.

Tillerson called China's South China Sea island-building and declaration of an air defense zone in waters of the East China Sea it contests with Japan "illegal actions."

"They’re taking territory or control, or declaring control of territories that are not rightfully China’s," he said.

Tillerson also said the United States could not continue to accept "empty promises" China had made about putting pressure on North Korea over that country's nuclear and missile programs.

He said his approach to dealing with North Korea - which recently declared it is close to carrying out its first test of an intercontinental ballistic missile - would be "a long-term plan" based on sanctions and their proper implementation.

Asked if Washington should consider imposing "secondary sanctions" on Chinese entities found to be violating existing sanctions on North Korea, Tillerson said: "If China is not going to comply with those U.N. sanctions, then it's appropriate ... for the United States to consider actions to compel them to comply."

He accused China of failing to live up to global agreements on trade and intellectual property, echoing past remarks by Trump, who has threatened to impose high, retaliatory tariffs on China. But Tillerson also stressed the "deeply intertwined" nature of the world's two biggest economies.

"We should not let disagreements over other issues exclude areas for productive partnership," he said.
 

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"NO! I WILL NOT GIVE YOU A QUESTION! YOU ARE FAKE NEWS!" DONALD TRUMP TO CNN REPORTER AT PRESS CONF

Full Press Conference, for those that have the time:
WATCH FULL: President-Elect Donald Trump Holds Press Conference at Trump Tower (1/11/2017)
Simply beautiful.

Liberal heads exploded and they claimed onset of dictatorship. Hilarious.
 

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Watched the full press con yday on TV and it was like 9/11 all over again - "what the hell am i seeing here?"
One way or other, next four years ain't going to be boring.
 

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US envoys in Asia appeal to Congress to sign off on TPP
‘DISASTROUS’:The six outgoing envoys said that if the US were to abandon the agreement, it would undermine its credibility as a trade partner and leader
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Six departing US envoys in Asia, including US Ambassador to Japan Caroline Kennedy, urged US Congress to pass the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) “before the window for doing so closes,” saying a failure to adopt the trade deal would cede leadership to China in the region and hurt US workers.

“Walking away from TPP may be seen by future generations as the moment America chose to cede leadership to others in this part of the world and accept a diminished role,” the ambassadors wrote in the letter obtained by Bloomberg News. “Such an outcome would be cause for celebration among those who favor ‘Asia for the Asians’ and state capitalism.”

The letter was a last-ditch and largely symbolic plea from the diplomats for lawmakers to buck sentiment aired during the presidential election that the 12-nation pact, which once had strong support and seemed destined for passage, was bad for the US economy.

During the US election campaign, US president-elect Donald Trump called the deal bad for the US and vowed to walk away from it on his first day in office. His Democratic opponent, former US secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton, abandoned it as well.

The letter was signed by Kennedy, US Ambassador to China Max Baucus, a former US senator, and the top US diplomats in Singapore, South Korea, New Zealand and ASEAN.

Baucus’ successor has been announced and the rest, political appointees named by US President Barack Obama, are all to be replaced after Trump takes office.

By abandoning the TPP, the US would undermine its credibility as a trade partner and a leader, the envoys said.

“It would be disastrous for supporters of inclusive politics, rule of law and market economics — and for US national interests,” they wrote.

China is working on its own Asia trade pact, which the ambassadors said would “serve as the template for economic integration in Asia and result in higher tariffs for the US.”

Commitments other countries make under the TPP would offer an advantage to the US and raise standards, while not approving it would present new competitive disadvantages in the region, they wrote.

Trump would probably need to do something on the trade front to placate his voter base, which is looking for a more protectionist approach, former US assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs Christopher Hill said.

“Whether just offering up TPP as a sacrifice, offering that up as a spoil of war as you will, is enough for one of these core constituencies of his, I am not so sure,” Hill said in a recent interview.

China has been “interested in their own version of TPP,” Hill said. “I think they might be interested in that kind of policy of filling this vacuum.”
 

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