After Modi's hard talk with Xi in Delhi, PLA pulls back in Chumar

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  1. arnabmit

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    Nearly 1000 soldiers of the People's Liberation Army, who had made incursions into the Chumar region in Jammu and Kashmir, have reportedly pulled back from their positions even as India demanded a total withdrawal from its territories on Thursday.

    Sources on Thursday said the PLA troops have pulled nearly 2 km back from their position. Meanwhile, the Indian Army has sent reinforcements to Chumar and is now awaiting China's response on a flag meeting it has called with the PLA.

    The faceoff between the Indian and Chinese soldiers since Wednesday had dampened the bonhomie around Chinese President Xi Jingping's three-day visit to India, reminding the two countries of the problems underlying growing commercial ties.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Jinping held talks at New Delhi's Hyderabad House during which the Indian side conveyed its concerns over Chinese incursions as the two sides discussed all "substantive issues" having their bearing on the bilateral ties.

    Modi and Xi first held talks in a restricted format, which was followed by a delegation level deliberation during which the two leaders also focused on cooperation in key areas of trade and investment.

    "Let me assure you all these issues have been raised and issues of concern, including recent events, will continue to be discussed," Ministry of External Affairs spokesman Syed Akbaruddin said in response to a question about the Chumar standoff.

    Modi, who hosted a private dinner for Xi in Ahmedabad, raised the issue of Chinese incursions on Wednesday night as well as Thursday morning, official sources said. The Chinese Army pushed in more troops into Chumar village along the Line of Actual Control in the wee hours on Thursday.

    The Chinese side had pushed in more troops on Wednesday morning as well, the sources said, adding the number of People's Liberation Army personnel stood at nearly 1000.

    Chumar, located more than 300 km northeast of Leh and bordering Himachal Pradesh, has been a flashpoint between the two sides with the Chinese Army making several attempts to end India's dominance in the area.

    The stand-off in Demchok where Chinese nomads -- Rebos -- had pitched their tents is continuing. The incursion in this area is nearly 500 metres deep into Indian territory.

    Meanwhile, about 20 supporters of free Tibet, mainly women, protested within a few metres of Hyderabad House in New Delhi where Modi and Xi were holding talks, waving Tibetan flags and shouting "We want justice." Police detained them after a few minutes.

    Several other small pro-Tibet protests broke out across the national capital.

    Speaking in Mumbai, Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama said Xi should use his visit to learn from the Indian experience of democratic rule and learn democratic practices.

    "I think the Chinese president should learn some of India's experience. Democratic rule, rule of law, and free media," he said.

    In a sign that Modi wanted Xi's visit to be a success, the Centre had asked the Dalai Lama, whom Beijing labels a dangerous separatist seeking an independent Tibet, to reschedule an event in the national capital so that it would not clash with the Chinese president's trip.



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    Nearly 1000 soldiers of the People's Liberation Army, who had made incursions into the Chumar region in Jammu and Kashmir, have reportedly pulled back from their positions even as India demanded a total withdrawal from its territories on Thursday.

    Sources on Thursday said the PLA troops have pulled nearly 2 km back from their position. Meanwhile, the Indian Army has sent reinforcements to Chumar and is now awaiting China's response on a flag meeting it has called with the PLA.

    The faceoff between the Indian and Chinese soldiers since Wednesday had dampened the bonhomie around Chinese President Xi Jingping's three-day visit to India, reminding the two countries of the problems underlying growing commercial ties.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Jinping held talks at New Delhi's Hyderabad House during which the Indian side conveyed its concerns over Chinese incursions as the two sides discussed all "substantive issues" having their bearing on the bilateral ties.

    Modi and Xi first held talks in a restricted format, which was followed by a delegation level deliberation during which the two leaders also focused on cooperation in key areas of trade and investment.

    "Let me assure you all these issues have been raised and issues of concern, including recent events, will continue to be discussed," Ministry of External Affairs spokesman Syed Akbaruddin said in response to a question about the Chumar standoff.

    Modi, who hosted a private dinner for Xi in Ahmedabad, raised the issue of Chinese incursions on Wednesday night as well as Thursday morning, official sources said. The Chinese Army pushed in more troops into Chumar village along the Line of Actual Control in the wee hours on Thursday.

    The Chinese side had pushed in more troops on Wednesday morning as well, the sources said, adding the number of People's Liberation Army personnel stood at nearly 1000.

    Chumar, located more than 300 km northeast of Leh and bordering Himachal Pradesh, has been a flashpoint between the two sides with the Chinese Army making several attempts to end India's dominance in the area.

    The stand-off in Demchok where Chinese nomads -- Rebos -- had pitched their tents is continuing. The incursion in this area is nearly 500 metres deep into Indian territory.

    Meanwhile, about 20 supporters of free Tibet, mainly women, protested within a few metres of Hyderabad House in New Delhi where Modi and Xi were holding talks, waving Tibetan flags and shouting "We want justice." Police detained them after a few minutes.

    Several other small pro-Tibet protests broke out across the national capital.

    Speaking in Mumbai, Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama said Xi should use his visit to learn from the Indian experience of democratic rule and learn democratic practices.

    "I think the Chinese president should learn some of India's experience. Democratic rule, rule of law, and free media," he said.

    In a sign that Modi wanted Xi's visit to be a success, the Centre had asked the Dalai Lama, whom Beijing labels a dangerous separatist seeking an independent Tibet, to reschedule an event in the national capital so that it would not clash with the Chinese president's trip.

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    Re: After Modi's hard talk with Xi in Delhi, Chinese troops pull back

    they will back after few days.:rofl::laugh::lol:
     
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    Re: After Modi's hard talk with Xi in Delhi, Chinese troops pull back

    So Chinese packed up again.

    Last time they put up Tents but had to pack up and run back all of a sudden when encircled. :lol:
     
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    Re: After Modi's hard talk with Xi in Delhi, Chinese troops pull back

    Surprisingly no mention of this incursion news in the chinese online media,Atleast not as much as we have it here.
    I am beginning to believe that chinese would be using this border issue as a carrot for UNSC seat of india.Considering that there is a perceived deficit in our military inventory w.r.t equipment as well as deployment of ITBP on eastern front, it is highly unlikely there will be any meaningful talks atleast till 2025. beyond that who knows.

    Then again if the China border issue is resolved,half the reason for military modernisation becomes moot. doesn't it?
     
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    Re: After Modi's hard talk with Xi in Delhi, Chinese troops pull back

    Since neither side is willing to start a war for that tiny disputed territory, no one is giving too much attention to this kind of event except India media.

    Look, India wants that seat? Then you better pay for it. There is no obligation on anyone to support India in pursuit of that seat.

    It is not India's military power but India's negotiation stance that block any meaningful talk. So far, India's attitude is: no talk unless India get all she claims.

    Let's make it straight, neither India nor China is sitting on the top of other side's enemy list. So, even this border issue disappears tomorrow, no one is going to slow down on military modernization.
     
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    Re: After Modi's hard talk with Xi in Delhi, Chinese troops pull back

    Point taken, but just curious do these things ever come in chinese media?

    My statement was a speculation,but your reaction was interesting. Again just curious you mean there is such a thought process in china that border talks can be leveraged against UNSC seat. Ha Ha good luck with that


    I don't think that is the version we are hearing here. the version here is Beijing is being evasive on this topic. i don't think we will ever know which one is correct.


    Pretty sure it is not an issue with china, but here opposition political parties can make an argument that "why do you need to spend on military when there is no threat,might as well spend the money on health,education or environment, and next term bye bye ruling party".
     
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    Re: After Modi's hard talk with Xi in Delhi, Chinese troops pull back

    Well the Xi trip was an epic failure, I guess the honeymoon with China is over. China's original investment amount was supposed to be 100B instead it ended up being a mere 20B. China will never settle the border issue because it is one of their few tools to annoy and threaten India against allying too strongly with Japan and America. India should now swing heavily pro USA-JAPAN-AUSTRALIA Anti-China alliance. China has back-stabbed or out right disappointed India over and over again: 1962 cowardly Pearl Harbor style ambush attack, then by giving Pakistan nuclear weapons so that they could safety continue their campaign of terrorism in Kashmir under the nuclear umbrella. It is time for India to take a hard stand against China, there is a reason they have so few friends and so so sooo many enemies in the world.
     
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    The Chinese are fond of a big show. Remember Chinese are oriental people.

    The Chinese are very sensitive about Tibetan refugees in India. So they may have thought that there will be big demonstrations against their Premier's visit. This show-off is kind of balancing that or showing their displeasure at Tibetan demonstrations.

    This will die down.
     
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    It's pretty pathetic the Chinese couldn't even keep from starting an incident when their own President was visiting.
     

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