After China's warning arms race in Asia,new warning on nuclear arms race in world

[no smoking]

It is good if China increases her arsenal.

It will be at the expense of economic growth.

The main beneficiary will be the US.

In contrary, it will benefit china's economic growth. You didn't realise military investment is always the major fund source for chinese heavy industries' R&D. In the first 2 decades after 1979, In order to concentrate on the light industries for profit, the military budget was cut to the level that only keep them alive. After 1996, this policy was changed, with the quick re-grwoth of military budget, heavy industries are get their spring back. Up to 2010, 67% of new machines purchased by chinese were produced by local manufacturer in China.

Another thing you forget is that chinese army relies on the domestic suppliers for most of their equipments. So increase on military purchase will benefit chinese military manufacutring and its employees, unlike india, which would most likely boost foreign countries.

 

[no smoking]

What you have stated is right.

However, I recall the Great Leap Forward.

Mao correctly felt that iron and steel was the need of the hour, notwithstanding the consequences.

Clearly, as i always said, Ray, you know some of chinese history. You just always misread it.

 

[Ray]

China only spends 2% of GDP on military expenditure. Lower than India and South Korea.

And how freely can that be monitored?

It is a well known fact that China hides the actual figures.

 

[Ray]

In contrary, it will benefit china's economic growth. You didn't realise military investment is always the major fund source for chinese heavy industries' R&D. In the first 2 decades after 1979, In order to concentrate on the light industries for profit, the military budget was cut to the level that only keep them alive. After 1996, this policy was changed, with the quick re-grwoth of military budget, heavy industries are get their spring back. Up to 2010, 67% of new machines purchased by chinese were produced by local manufacturer in China.

Another thing you forget is that chinese army relies on the domestic suppliers for most of their equipments. So increase on military purchase will benefit chinese military manufacutring and its employees, unlike india, which would most likely boost foreign countries.

You forget that the money spent on defence is at the expense of social development of the nation.

As it is China has huge problems controlling the economic divide between the rural and the urban, between the Coast and the Hills and so on! The latest being the Tax riot in the SE.

 

[Ray]

Clearly, as i always said, Ray, you know some of chinese history. You just always misread it.

True I misread what the Chinese communists want me to believe is the correct version.

You can live with the Communist baggage if you wish!

 

[SADAKHUSH]

In response to SK, JP and USA triad in W. Pacific RU and CN are going to conduct a joint military exercise on Japan Sea early next year.

I think CN and RU shall invite NK to join, thinking of NK is a dignified neighbor without any foreign troop stationed on her soil. In contrast SK or JP are genuine proxies with strong US military presence on their territories.

We simply play back in the same way the others are doing.

Russia gets closer to countries who develop tension with USA. If one goes back in to their history, she did play the same game with Iran. Now Russia is doing the same with China. Sometimes, I wonder if they are playing games with China as well. The motive is obvious only, if leadership in China can get a clue of their modus operand.

Good Luck to China and its ambitions

 

[SADAKHUSH]

Nuclear powers plan weapons spending spree, report finds | World news | The Guardian

Nuclear powers plan weapons spending spree, report finds

US to spend £700bn in next decade while Russia and Pakistan among those assigning roles to weapons beyond deterrence

Richard Norton-Taylor
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 30 October 2011 20.48 GMT
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A 2009 nuclear missile test in North Korea: the country's latest Musudan missile is capable of reaching targets in Japan and Guam. Photograph: Kcna/AFP/Getty Images



The world's nuclear powers are planning to spend hundreds of billions of pounds modernising and upgrading weapons warheads and delivery systems over the next decade, according to an authoritative report published on Monday.

Despite government budget pressures and international rhetoric about disarmament, evidence points to a new and dangerous "era of nuclear weapons", the report for the British American Security Information Council (Basic) warns. It says the US will spend $700bn (£434bn) on the nuclear weapons industry over the next decade, while Russia will spend at least $70bn on delivery systems alone. Other countries including China, India, Israel, France and Pakistan are expected to devote formidable sums on tactical and strategic missile systems.

For several countries, including Russia, Pakistan, Israel and France, nuclear weapons are being assigned roles that go well beyond deterrence, says the report. In Russia and Pakistan, it warns, nuclear weapons are assigned "war-fighting roles in military planning".

The report is the first in a series of papers for the Trident Commission, an independent cross-party initiative set up by Basic. Its leading members include former Conservative defence secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former Liberal Democrat leader and defence spokesman Sir Menzies Campbell and former Labour defence secretary Lord Browne.

There is a strong case, they say, for a fundamental review of UK nuclear weapons policy. The Conservatives in Britain's coalition government say they want to maintain a Trident-based nuclear weapons system. However, they have agreed to a "value for money" audit into a Trident replacement as four new nuclear missiles submarines are alone estimated to cost £25bn at the latest official estimate. The Lib Dems want to look at other options. The paper, by security analyst Ian Kearns, is entitled Beyond the United Kingdom: Trends in the Other Nuclear Armed States.

Pakistan and India, it warns, appear to be seeking smaller, lighter nuclear warheads so they have a greater range or can be deployed over shorter distances for tactical or "non-strategic" roles. "In the case of Israel, the size of its nuclear-tipped cruise missile enabled submarine fleet is being increased and the country seems to be on course, on the back of its satellite launch rocket programme, for future development of an inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM)," the report notes.

A common justification for the new nuclear weapons programmes is perceived vulnerability in the face of nuclear and conventional force development elsewhere. For example, Russia has expressed concern over the US missile defence and Conventional Prompt Global Strike programmes. China has expressed similar concerns about the US as well as India, while India's programmes are driven by fear of China and Pakistan.

Pakistan justifies its nuclear weapons programme by referring to India's conventional force superiority, the report observes.

In a country-by-country analysis, the report says:

"¢ The US is planning to spend $700bn on nuclear weapons over the next decade. A further $92bn will be spent on new nuclear warheads and the US also plans to build 12 nuclear ballistic missile submarines, air-launched nuclear cruise missiles and bombs.

"¢ Russia plans to spend $70bn on improving its strategic nuclear triad (land, sea and air delivery systems) by 2020. It is introducing mobile ICBMs with multiple warheads, and a new generation of nuclear weapons submarines to carry cruise as well as ballistic missiles. There are reports that Russia is also planning a nuclear-capable short-range missile for 10 army brigades over the next decade.

"¢ China is rapidly building up its medium and long-range "road mobile" missile arsenal equipped with multiple warheads. Up to five submarines are under construction capable of launching 36-60 sea-launched ballistic missiles, which could provide a continuous at-sea capability.

"¢ France has just completed deployment of four new submarines equipped with longer-range missiles with a "more robust warhead". It is also modernising its nuclear bomber fleet.

"¢ Pakistan is extending the range of its Shaheen II missiles, developing nuclear cruise missiles, improving its nuclear weapons design as well as smaller, lighter, warheads. It is also building new plutonium production reactors.

"¢ India is developing new versions of its Agni land-based missiles sufficient to target the whole of Pakistan and large parts of China, including Beijing. It has developed a nuclear ship-launched cruise missile and plans to build five submarines carrying ballistic nuclear missiles.

"¢ Israel is extending its Jericho III missile's range, and is developing an ICBM capability, expanding its nuclear-tipped cruise missile enabled submarine fleet.

"¢ North Korea unveiled a new Musudan missile in 2010 with a range of up to 2,500 miles and capable of reaching targets in Japan. It successfully tested the Taepodong-2 with a possible range of more than 6,000 miles sufficient to hit half the US mainland. However, the report, says, "it is unclear whether North Korea has yet developed the capability to manufacture nuclear warheads small enough to sit on top of these missiles".

Iran's nuclear aspirations are not covered by the report.

I have three words to describe this as an "Height Of Insanity". Only if, I had a magic wand to diffuse all the nuclear arsenal in the world than it would be done without any delay.

 

[Yusuf]

Arms race is good as long as its indigenous. I am a proponent of arms race. It creates cutting edge technology with offshoots in civilian areas too.

Arms race creates big jobs and adds to the economic growth of the country.

The two super powers of cold war are an example. US still is a great example.

 

[no smoking]

You forget that the money spent on defence is at the expense of social development of the nation.

As it is China has huge problems controlling the economic divide between the rural and the urban, between the Coast and the Hills and so on! The latest being the Tax riot in the SE.

Well, the fact you didn't know is that investment in education, health and other social development is growing even faster than military budget.

This divide exists in every developing country. I would be surprised if there is no riot during industrilization.

 

[nimo_cn]

Arms race between China and India is indeed good news to China. In a long term, China will benefit from that competition as long as its indigenous, just like some one has pointed out. That is exactly what China is doing, becoming more and more self-dependent, so it is healthy and sustainable.

Anyway, it is time for China to build up her military strength after we stopped investing on defence for nearly 2 decades, in fact China has to invest heavily on national defence considering that China is becoming the main target of the only super power.

The bonus of Chinese military buildup is that India voluntarily got involved in a arm race with China though India has never been on the radar of China. If India focuses on the development of economy when China is busy dealing with US, just like what China did before 2000, that would have concerned me. But thank god, India is not using her limited resources to improve its economy, instead it is lavishing its hardearned money on importing expensive but unnecessary weapons to compete with China.

It may be too much if I say Indian military buildup is getting in the way of its economy development since Indian economy is still growing fast, but I do believe India would have done much better if India is not distracted by its self-creadted enemy. However, it is not exaggerated at all if I say India is killing its defence industry by relying heavily on foreign weapons.

 

[utubekhiladi]

Arms race between China and India is indeed good news to China. In a long term, China will benefit from that competition as long as its indigenous, just like some one has pointed out. That is exactly what China is doing, becoming more and more self-dependent, so it is healthy and sustainable.

Anyway, it is time for China to build up her military strength after we stopped investing on defence for nearly 2 decades, in fact China has to invest heavily on national defence considering that China is becoming the main target of the only super power.

The bonus of Chinese military buildup is that India voluntarily got involved in a arm race with China though India has never been on the radar of China. If India focuses on the development of economy when China is busy dealing with US, just like what China did before 2000, that would have concerned me. But thank god, India is not using her limited resources to improve its economy, instead it is lavishing its hardearned money on importing expensive but unnecessary weapons to compete with China.

It may be too much if I say Indian military buildup is getting in the way of its economy development since Indian economy is still growing fast, but I do believe India would have done much better if India is not distracted by its self-creadted enemy. However, it is not exaggerated at all if I say India is killing its defence industry by relying heavily on foreign weapons.

considering all the BS chicom is trying to do in south china sea and in our neighborhood, we are doing a good balance on spending our resources wisely. if india is not in chicom's radar, then why so much build up next to the border? 'you and your higher than mountain' friend always try to act like innocent after taking a fart. we are spending in defense only because chicon is building up next to our border.

when we need your advise on what india should do and how we should spend the money, then we will gladly ask for it. for the time being chicom has lot of other things to worry about.

 

[Param]

Arms race is good as long as its indigenous. I am a proponent of arms race. It creates cutting edge technology with offshoots in civilian areas too.

Arms race creates big jobs and adds to the economic growth of the country.

The two super powers of cold war are an example. US still is a great example.

Nukes are also good. I hate anti nuclear morons. They are delusional and brainwashed with their Utopian dreams.

 

[asianobserve]

The Cold War arms race gave us the internet... troll away!

 

[Yusuf]

Nukes are also good. I hate anti nuclear morons. They are delusional and brainwashed with their Utopian dreams.

Arms race is not just about nukes. The entire gamut. The space age is the result of arms race and the one upmanship that came with it. We would. It have had the microwave ovens if it was not discovered by percy spencer while working on a military project. Nuclear power plants came after nuclear bombs. In the quest for survival, the cold war superpowers went any length to invent new things.

 

[Ray]

Since Defence R&D in India is of the Stoneage variety one wonders when the indigenous industry with real value to the defence requirement will surface.