After China's warning arms race in Asia,new warning on nuclear arms race in world

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  1. Shaitan

    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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    China is warning that it will be forced to stoke up a dangerously escalating arms race in Asia in response to Japanese plans to build a missile-defence system designed to protect the country from North Korean attacks.

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    Japan said last week that it planned to purchase Patriot PAC3 interceptors, which are meant to shoot down incoming short and medium-range ballistic missiles, and to step up work on Aegis – a US-led sea-based system to protect ships and troops from ballistic missile attack.
    Beijing fears that these acquisitions, though targeted at North Korea's rogue nuclear programme, will threaten the balance of power. "Japan's new military investments are going to transform the military balance in the region," a Chinese diplomat said. "China will have no choice but to respond by enhancing its own capabilities." Jiang Yu, China's foreign ministry spokesperson, described Japan's plans as "irresponsible".
    Experts fear that other countries will respond as well as China. India, for example, could grow its own missile arsenal in response to a Chinese move and Pakistan would soon follow.
    "China depends heavily on both conventional and nuclear-armed ballistic missiles to offset the technological weaknesses of its armed forces," said Ashley Tellis, a US strategic expert, "so a more robust Japanese missile defence system is a real threat to its clout."
    Japan is the second Chinese adversary to invest in US missile defence systems. In January, the US administration said anti-ballistic missile defence equipment would form part of an $6.4 billion (£4.1 billion) arms sale to Taiwan.

    China warns of escalating arms race in Asia - Telegraph

     
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  3. Indianrabbit

    Indianrabbit Regular Member

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    This is just and excuse arms race is on anyways. They should also look at what they are doing to India directly or via Pakistan.
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    They are doing the same thing to Japan and South Korea via North Korea it is part of the Chinese design for decades to use proxies for their dirty work and try to look innocent. The world is just reacting to this design and Chinese will lose this arms race.
     
  5. Oracle

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    How is Japan buying PAC3 interceptors or stepping up work on Aegis threatening China?, when Japan has already said they are meant for Missile Defence from NK. China still gets wet pants when Japanese are upto something. Interesting times ahead!
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Japan has more or less abandoned their pacifist constitution with the blessing of USA and an era of Japanese militarization maybe starting. This is what is bothering the Chinese.
     
  7. Tshering22

    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    Look who's talking!? The one who has the most shady defence spending on this planet bordering close to a $100 billion a year themselves and who go about claiming the territories of 8 neighbouring countries as theirs. Japanese cannot be taken for a ride for too long and despite a pacifist structure for so long, they are not cowards like MMS government of our country to put their foot down on what is right. Our ruling government is just good at branding the "color" of terrorism and blaming opposition of "radicalism", but when it comes to national interests, it begs every tom, **** and harry like a pathetic lifeless failed state; all this despite a booming economy, a massive military and terrific fire power.
     
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    The leaking petrol tanker has just called for a fire Brigade A S A P. :emot15::emot15::emot15:
     
  9. sob

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    The key words from the above report are

    China is acting like the big bully and is afraid if the neighboring countries are also building up muscle to counter them.
     
  10. Yan Luo Wang

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    China only spends 2% of GDP on military expenditure. Lower than India and South Korea.
     
  11. utubekhiladi

    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    yes, in terms of % of gdp but in terms of $ usd china spends more
     
  12. amoy

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    In response to SK, JP and USA triad in W. Pacific RU and CN are going to conduct a joint military exercise on Japan Sea early next year.

    I think CN and RU shall invite NK to join, thinking of NK is a dignified neighbor without any foreign troop stationed on her soil. In contrast SK or JP are genuine proxies with strong US military presence on their territories.

    We simply play back in the same way the others are doing.
     
  13. badguy2000

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    CHina's open defence expenditure is about 0.5-0.6 trillion RMB,althought it is only about 1.5% of its yearly GDP.

    Because China's GDP is still growing rapidly, it is expected that CHina's open defence expenditure will easily surpass 1 trillion RMB in 2015,even if that is still only 1.5% of CHina's yearly GDP.
     
  14. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is good if China increases her arsenal.

    It will be at the expense of economic growth.

    The main beneficiary will be the US.
     
  15. badguy2000

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    well, most orders of PLA's weapons are given to Chinese domestic weapon manufacturers....it can add the employees and increase the demand of those employees.

    demands drives the supply...which is a common sense.
     
  16. hit&run

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    Lol, China is pissed off because India is not following Pakistani blue prints of Arm race vis a vis China. I was expecting such statements in frustration. India has already realized not to indulge into arm race the way China wants. But i am sure we have our own kind of Arms acquisition trend which is not as what China would like to see for sure.
     
  17. Bangalorean

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    What badguy2000 is saying here is correct, the positive aspect from China's point of view is that most of its arms industry is domestic, thereby creating jobs domestically within China. Money spent by China for defence is therefore, likely to be recirculated within the economy.

    Unless India allows the entry of private players like the TATAs, Mahindra, Birlas, Ambanis etc. into defence production, we will never be able to justify defence expenditure the way China does. Thankfully some steps are being taken in this regard, and I am positive that with the new Transfer-of-Technology agreements coming in, and the opening up of the defence sector, we will manage to significantly reduce this problem in 10-15 years.
     
  18. Ray

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    What you have stated is right.

    However, I recall the Great Leap Forward.

    Mao correctly felt that iron and steel was the need of the hour, notwithstanding the consequences.
     
  19. Pintu

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    Nuclear powers plan weapons spending spree, report finds | World news | The Guardian

    Nuclear powers plan weapons spending spree, report finds

    US to spend £700bn in next decade while Russia and Pakistan among those assigning roles to weapons beyond deterrence

    Richard Norton-Taylor
    guardian.co.uk, Sunday 30 October 2011 20.48 GMT
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    A 2009 nuclear missile test in North Korea: the country's latest Musudan missile is capable of reaching targets in Japan and Guam. Photograph: Kcna/AFP/Getty Images



    The world's nuclear powers are planning to spend hundreds of billions of pounds modernising and upgrading weapons warheads and delivery systems over the next decade, according to an authoritative report published on Monday.

    Despite government budget pressures and international rhetoric about disarmament, evidence points to a new and dangerous "era of nuclear weapons", the report for the British American Security Information Council (Basic) warns. It says the US will spend $700bn (£434bn) on the nuclear weapons industry over the next decade, while Russia will spend at least $70bn on delivery systems alone. Other countries including China, India, Israel, France and Pakistan are expected to devote formidable sums on tactical and strategic missile systems.

    For several countries, including Russia, Pakistan, Israel and France, nuclear weapons are being assigned roles that go well beyond deterrence, says the report. In Russia and Pakistan, it warns, nuclear weapons are assigned "war-fighting roles in military planning".

    The report is the first in a series of papers for the Trident Commission, an independent cross-party initiative set up by Basic. Its leading members include former Conservative defence secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former Liberal Democrat leader and defence spokesman Sir Menzies Campbell and former Labour defence secretary Lord Browne.

    There is a strong case, they say, for a fundamental review of UK nuclear weapons policy. The Conservatives in Britain's coalition government say they want to maintain a Trident-based nuclear weapons system. However, they have agreed to a "value for money" audit into a Trident replacement as four new nuclear missiles submarines are alone estimated to cost £25bn at the latest official estimate. The Lib Dems want to look at other options. The paper, by security analyst Ian Kearns, is entitled Beyond the United Kingdom: Trends in the Other Nuclear Armed States.

    Pakistan and India, it warns, appear to be seeking smaller, lighter nuclear warheads so they have a greater range or can be deployed over shorter distances for tactical or "non-strategic" roles. "In the case of Israel, the size of its nuclear-tipped cruise missile enabled submarine fleet is being increased and the country seems to be on course, on the back of its satellite launch rocket programme, for future development of an inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM)," the report notes.

    A common justification for the new nuclear weapons programmes is perceived vulnerability in the face of nuclear and conventional force development elsewhere. For example, Russia has expressed concern over the US missile defence and Conventional Prompt Global Strike programmes. China has expressed similar concerns about the US as well as India, while India's programmes are driven by fear of China and Pakistan.

    Pakistan justifies its nuclear weapons programme by referring to India's conventional force superiority, the report observes.

    In a country-by-country analysis, the report says:

    • The US is planning to spend $700bn on nuclear weapons over the next decade. A further $92bn will be spent on new nuclear warheads and the US also plans to build 12 nuclear ballistic missile submarines, air-launched nuclear cruise missiles and bombs.

    • Russia plans to spend $70bn on improving its strategic nuclear triad (land, sea and air delivery systems) by 2020. It is introducing mobile ICBMs with multiple warheads, and a new generation of nuclear weapons submarines to carry cruise as well as ballistic missiles. There are reports that Russia is also planning a nuclear-capable short-range missile for 10 army brigades over the next decade.

    • China is rapidly building up its medium and long-range "road mobile" missile arsenal equipped with multiple warheads. Up to five submarines are under construction capable of launching 36-60 sea-launched ballistic missiles, which could provide a continuous at-sea capability.

    • France has just completed deployment of four new submarines equipped with longer-range missiles with a "more robust warhead". It is also modernising its nuclear bomber fleet.

    • Pakistan is extending the range of its Shaheen II missiles, developing nuclear cruise missiles, improving its nuclear weapons design as well as smaller, lighter, warheads. It is also building new plutonium production reactors.

    • India is developing new versions of its Agni land-based missiles sufficient to target the whole of Pakistan and large parts of China, including Beijing. It has developed a nuclear ship-launched cruise missile and plans to build five submarines carrying ballistic nuclear missiles.

    • Israel is extending its Jericho III missile's range, and is developing an ICBM capability, expanding its nuclear-tipped cruise missile enabled submarine fleet.

    • North Korea unveiled a new Musudan missile in 2010 with a range of up to 2,500 miles and capable of reaching targets in Japan. It successfully tested the Taepodong-2 with a possible range of more than 6,000 miles sufficient to hit half the US mainland. However, the report, says, "it is unclear whether North Korea has yet developed the capability to manufacture nuclear warheads small enough to sit on top of these missiles".

    Iran's nuclear aspirations are not covered by the report.
     
  20. Pintu

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    Well I think by the year 2020 only half of the human population will be on this earth searching for something to eat or some place to cultivate grains to eat for their survival as all the countries in the world will get involved in a war and make use of their nuclear bombs. The situation will be like the game I play for passing the time. The game is "Rise of Nations". Ultimately the developing nuclear deterrence and missiles is for bringing an end to the entire HUMAN RACE for the reason of greed of resources and money.
     
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