After Bangladesh, influx of Muslims from Myanmar to India

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    After bangladesh, now its myanmar from where muslims have started influxing in india

    New Delhi : After bangladesh, now its myanmar from where muslims have started influxing in india. hundreds of muslims from myanmar are looking for india as their secular destination. over 500 myanmar muslim nationals, including women and children, have camped for the past 12 days near the united nations high commissioner for refugees (unhcr) office at new delhi, demanding a refugee status.

    since april 9, over 500 people from burmese rohingya community, a muslim ghetto hounded out from myanmar (formerly burma), have made temporary sheds of polythene sheets by the rear compound wall of the unhcr office in b-2 block of vasant vihar in south delhi, demanding refugee cards.

    a muslim refugee woman, who works as a maid in jammu feels 'safe' in india as her community is not harassed for being muslims. but the unhcr is not paying heed is her's plight.

    she says, “life is not easy for refugees like us, who fled from the country at the age of 18. i have faced torture, extortion, trauma and starvation. we are at least happy that unlike in our own country or bangladesh,

    “we were issued an asylum seeker card in august, 2011 by the unhcr, but it deprives us from lot of facilities that a refugee gets. we want a refugee card. our children need education, better living conditions like water to drink and toilets. but we are deprived of these as we don’t have a refugee card,” said zia-ul-rahman, a refugee who left myanmar two years ago and now lives in muzaffarnagar.

    the refugees say for the past 12 days, most of them did menial jobs to get food and water. “we are at their doorsteps seeking help, but the unhcr has not even reached us to see how we are managing here with small children and old people, hope they know the real meaning of human rights,” lamented abdul hafeez, who stays at the camp.

    hafeez speaks very little hindi, and through an interpreter said, “i lost my parents four years ago as the burmese junta shot them saying they did not support the military regime. i had to discontinue my education. like other refugees from burma, and afghanistan and somalia, we need a refugee status so that i can continue my studies.”

    refugee mamoon rafeeq who is a teacher in jammu said the rohingyas have been sidelined in myanmar as they belong to a muslim community. “unlike other myanmar refugees, rohingya has been sidelined because we are muslims. other myanmar refugees who are christians and buddhists are given refugee card's; rafeeq claimed.

    however, the unhcr officials say they discussed the issue with the refugees four to five times, but were not persuaded by their arguments.

    "we don't use the term rohingya - we refer to this group as muslims from northern rakhine state. in india, there is no national legal framework for refugees, and because of this there are different approaches to different groups of people," nayana bose, associate external relations officer unhcr, told news agencies.

    "we have already registered them as asylum seekers and issued identity cards. the card is similar to the refugee card as it helps prevent harassment, arbitrary arrests, detention and expulsion," bose said.

    "moreover, we are having an on-going dialogue with this group, and for their own safety and well-being, we have asked them to go back to their residential places in india. we have offered to meet their representatives in a more structured manner, to see how best we can assist them, as we do with all groups of refugees and asylum seekers," bose added.

    expert say this report ia highly disturbing, as this may lead the inflow of burmese muslims in india especially n-e india to create more jihadi tensions in the already volatile region.

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    Burmese Refugees Not Tempted by New Myanmar

    May 16, 2012

    Myanmar may be gradually embracing political reform. But for 31-year-old Nasir Udin, returning to his country of origin is not an option – at least not yet.

    “I can only think of stepping foot in Myanmar once it becomes a democracy. We have suffered grave atrocities at the hands of our own people,” said Mr. Udin, who is a Rohingya, a Muslim minority in his native Myanmar.

    Mr. Udin is one of around 2,500 Rohingya asylum seekers in India – many of them children and pregnant women – who were temporarily lodged in a makeshift camp set up in a patch of scrubland in the outskirts of New Delhi.

    They gathered from around India in New Delhi last month to press the office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to recognize them as refugees in the hope this would guarantee them access to medical facilities and schools for their children.

    The living conditions in the camp, which was set up last week, were dire: Many had little more than plastic sheets propped up with branches as shelter and complained they didn’t have medicines to treat those who fell ill.

    Despite the victory of pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi in recent by-elections – a development that prompted the international community to rethink economic sanctions on the country – none of the asylum seekers interviewed in the camp expressed any interest in returning to Myanmar.

    For the time being, their concerns are more local: they want a better life here in India.

    “Government hospitals don’t want to treat us, schools don’t want to admit our children, nobody wants to employ us,” says Nazir Ahmed, a 51-year-old Rohingya asylum seeker who arrived in India three years ago and takes care of five daughters, his wife and his mother. Despite the hardship, he categorically dismissed the possibility of returning to his country of origin: “I will never ever go back,” he said, likening that possibility to “jumping into fire.”

    A significant step to improve the welfare of Rohingya people in India was made on Tuesday afternoon, when they were promised long-term stay visas in India.

    UNHCR’s chief of mission, Montserrat Feixas Vihe, said in a statement she was confident this “will greatly increase their protection and safety in India.”

    As asylum seekers, healthcare and education are services they are already entitled to in India, according to UNHCR. However, many Rohingya – especially those who are based outside Delhi – said local authorities often do not recognize this right.

    While some members of the Rohingya community are still pushing for refugee status, many were satisfied with the visa agreement and were willing to return to their places of residence elsewhere in India.

    However, even as talks with U.N. officials were ongoing, on Tuesday police dismantled their temporary dwellings in Delhi and forced them to leave. Rohingya asylum seekers had been complaining against police treatment ever since they settled there. For days, police did not allow them to leave the area, saying this was to ensure their safety, since they worried local residents would turn against them.

    What rights asylum seekers and refugees are entitled to is a gray area because India does not have a comprehensive policy on refugees. New Delhi is not a signatory to the U.N. convention on refugees, nor does it have its own legal framework. As a result, rights and privileges vary depending on the community.

    Rohingya are a stateless people. They come from Myanmar’s coastal Rakhine state, which borders Bangladesh, and look South Asian. This has made their acceptance in the country historically difficult. Three decades ago, the government of Myanmar made it clear that Rohingyas, along with other ethnic minorities, did not qualify for citizenship, effectively denying them most rights.

    Many have escaped human rights abuses by fleeing to neighboring countries, with around 30,000 of them currently living in refugee camps in Bangladesh alone, according to U.N. data. They started crossing over to India more recently, arriving in significant numbers in 2009.

    Rohingya are just one of many Burmese groups that escaped the widespread repression of Myanmar’s military government. On top of the Rohingya asylum seekers, India currently hosts roughly 7,000 Burmese refugees. Most of them are ethnically Chin and settled in India’s northeast in the early 1990s, when there was a major exodus from Myanmar.

    No Burmese refugees or asylum seekers in India – Rohingya, Chin or other – have turned to them to the U.N. them repatriate in recent months, according to UNHCR.

    However, they are keeping an eye on political developments in their country of origin. “Refugees from Myanmar are following events in their country with great interest. It is too early to say what they feel— people are waiting and watching to see how developments unfold in the coming months,” says Nayana Bose, an officer at UNHCR in Delhi.

    The recent Rohingya agitation in New Delhi comes as Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is preparing to travel to Naypyitaw later this month, a trip that will test how India plans to deal with a reforming Myanmar.

    Foreign governments and rights groups have called on India to take a bigger role in promoting democratic change in the Southeast Asian country.

    “I think because of India’s democracy, India stands in a strong position to help the people of Burma as they look at a way to navigate their way forward with political and economic reforms,” U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said last week, speaking at an event in Kolkata.

    Activists have similarly urged India to engage in the country’s democratic process. The Burma Centre Delhi, an Indian non-profit organization, called on Mr. Singh to address ethnic-based discrimination during his trip there. They said New Delhi could play a significant role in helping restore “the civil and democratic rights of the Rohingya” and in helping safely repatriate refugees.

    Addressing the issue of Burmese refugees would be a chance for New Delhi to show that it is committed to a regional policy that goes beyond looking for investment opportunities, in keeping with its much-hyped “Look East” policy.

    A spokesman for the Prime Minister said the agenda for Mr. Singh’s three-day trip, which is set to start May 27, “has not yet been decided.”

    Burmese Refugees Not Tempted by New Myanmar - India Real Time - WSJ
     
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    Now that Myanmar does not have a repressive dictatorship after the recent elections, they should be encouraged to return to their own country. Their language is similar to the Chittagongian language spoken in Bangladesh and share similar culture. BD has signed an agreement with Myanmar on repatriation of Rohingyas. India should do the same, too many people in India already. Providing facilities like education etc might open the floodgates to more `refugees`.
     
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    The Rohingyas, who are the border people in Myanmar with Chittagong Hill Tract are Muslims.

    They are pushed out by the Myanmar Govt every now and then into Bangaldesh.

    Bangladesh also does not want them.

    And so they are the Lost People.

    Thailand has shipped them out in a boat with no power or navigation aids by force and it cause quite a stink internationally.

    Notwithstanding, we have our own huge illegal problem and so we need not play the Good Samaritan.

    Ethnically, they are akin to Chittagonians and so Bangladesh should be the Good Samaritan and not India.
     
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    India Has Let Pakistani Hindus Down

    Avinash Rai Khanna on India has let Hindus down : Cover Story - India Today

    No country for Pakistani Hindus - Pakistani Hindu refugees discover they are betrayed by India

    Pakistani Hindu refugees discover they are betrayed by India : Cover Story - India Today


    On the other side, Muslims are coming without any legal documents and living like India is a join account for all on the name of secularism / Muslim Vote Bank politics.

    All Muslims who came from Bangladesh/Myanmar should be deported back by any method. India is not a "Dharamshala" where Muslims should come. They should seek refugee/asylum in Islamic country like BD/Pak/Middle-East, etc.
     
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    The shoddy writing invited me to visit the link. It is News Bharati. All I have to say is that if they want to be taken seriously, they need to work on their presentation.

    Now coming back to the topic: What exactly the preventing the government to fence our borders? I understand if it is a heights of Kargil or Siachen. It is not that bad along most of the Indian borders.

    Not that we don't have money. We are spending a lot in various fields, and even hosting international games. Perhaps we need to prioritiz

    The blame lies with all parties that have been in the centre - Congress as well as BJP.
     
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    BJP never came in power but it was NDA for 6 years. Congress ruled for 58 years and they play "Muslim vote bank politics". What the hell BJP has to with Muslim illegal migrants??

    And main problem is with state governments like WB, Assam and other North-East from where they are coming.

    Most of the media didn't covered this news earlier, Because it's related to Muslims.
     
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    1) Thats because the MSM will not cover the event except for few exceptions like Hindu that has reported how the leftist JNU students union is supporting the Rohingya and agitating for them.

    2) This is an argument used by many to run down BJP. Comparing 58+ years of rule at center and most states with one 5 year term of BJP/NDA 1998-2004.

    Congress has been using Hindus as a whipping boy for donkeys years. Encouraging illegal Bangladeshis even in places like Mumbai. Assam has been inundated by Bangladeshis yet the Congress CM declares there are no illegal immigrants in Assam. Even communists and TMC encourage illegals to swell their votebank.
     
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    Ok, let's blame all the parties, Congress, BJP, and their coalition partners. Fair enough?

    The main problem is not the state governments, but the central government, who controls the BSF. Illegal foreign immigration is an external affair and when they come in, is a matter of home affair. The External Affairs and Home Ministries should answer. They have failed in the first tier. Now, the second tier guilty are the local panchayats and municipalities in these states issuing ration cards. They are also a problem, but not the main problem.

    Mathematically correct. However, my point was, no party should use it to gain political mileage. Should it matter if non-Muslims squatter come in hordes and create trouble?
     
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    Welcome ! More additions to VOTE BANK :sad:
     
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    Not fair enough.

    BJP never came in power in Eastern states like WB, Assam, Tripura, NE states. Congress/Left/ Regional parties ruled these states since 1947. BJP can do nothing. IMO, States are more responsible than Central government.

    Even when BJP came in power (Centre), It tried it's best in that little time. But 6 years was too short and BJP was just one of the 22 political parties. Border fencing process picked-up in NDA regime only.

    BJP is raising the issue since very long time but unfortunately without power.

    Drop illegal Bangla voters from Assam list: BJP to EC

    Drop illegal Bangla voters from Assam list: BJP to EC - Indian Express

    Tomorrow, If BJP comes in power with good mandate on it's own then i am quite sure, party will take lots of measure. If BJP won't do anything, then everyone has right to blame!
     
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    Not a good argument. Regardless who is in the state, the centre can override a state's decision, even a SLA Act, and do what it wants. It controls the BSF. One word - excuses.

    BJP is raising the issue and doing what? Even TMC has been involved in this ration-card issuing business for a long time. Still, BJP supported her, even as recently as WB state elections.

    While I welcome any effort to send back illegal BD immigrant, why are we not talking about Nepali squatters who entered WB from Bhutan and settled there, after Bhutanese Army kicked them out? Or does being Hindu gives them a pass?

    Corrigendum: Drop all illegal voters from all bordering states' lists.


    I am not so certain, given their track record. At the end of the day, it is a political party.
     
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    No excuse. Illegal Muslim migrants is going on for last 4 decades (After 1971). BJP did what was possible. Border fencing picked up during NDA regime only. How BJP can stop migrants when it never came in power in Eastern states and just few years in Centre ? For constitutional amendment, 2/3rd majority is needed in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha. Despite Party took some measure during 1999-2004, That cannot guarantee that next government are going to be strict. Responsibility is with those who are in power. Congress and Left ruled Assam and WB 3-4 decades. Congress ruled for 58 years in centre.

    As i said, Why the hell BJP will ever support Muslim migrants ? LOL. They will never ever.

    TMC is not with BJP. Even if it was or will, BJP cannot do anything. Every political party takes their own decision. BTW, Mamta came in power recently only.

    Absolutely, Hindus/Buddhist have right to come to India. There is reason why there is no "VISA/Passport" needed for Nepali and Bhutani. Let's not fool ourself on the name of secularism. Muslims have got two countries. They should not come to India.

    LOL. BJP never came in power. It was NDA. BJP was just one of the 22 parties in collision. Biggest ever no. of parties in last 65 years.

    I am quite sure, party will do better than current regime if it comes to power. At least, It will not promote illegal Bangladeshi/Myanmar Muslims to come to India and grow like mushrooms and eventually change the demographic.
     
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    No need to come to power in the states to stop illegal immigration. If you are in the centre you can do it.

    For votes, they will go to any extent,just like any other political party. I have seen much Jinnah praising by Jaswant Sinha!


    I do not recall claiming BJP is TMC, but yes, BJP did ally with TMC, and even on one occasions, the Maoists.

    Do send a chartered plane to Bhutan and bring the lot to your state and house them as revered guests. WB does not need them, nor their fake ration cards and votes, just like BD immigrants. Had it not been for the influx from Bhutan, there would not have been this Gorkhaland movement which is hurting the state's economy so badly. If Darjeeling must go, it should go to Sikkim. The Gurkhas can go back to where they came from. Darjeeling belongs to the Sikkimese Tibetans, not the Gurkhas.



    Ok, let us be hopeful. As long as illegal immigration is stopped, will support the initiative and effort.
     
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    pmaitra, why this eagerness to name BJP in list of culprits. While we are at it let us add DMK/AIADMK/Telugu Desam/Shiv Sena as political organisations that are complicit/did nothing while illegal Bangladeshis sneaked in just to be politically correct/fair to Congress etc. By your logic whatever Congress did not do in 58 years BJP/NDA should have done in 1 term. OTOH state govt in West Bengal did nothing about Nepali infux in Darjeeling and actively encouraged illegal Bangladeshis to settle in WB.

    a)BJP as a party was born in 1980 while the troubles in Assam that lead to Nellie massacre [far worse carnage than any communal riot since 1947] started in late 70's

    b)BJP has no support base in West Bengal, Assam or NE states where the influx is taking place aided/abetted by Congress, Communists and TMC. So how is BJP to blame.
     
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    Because I am left, and also an admirer of Buddhadeb Bhattacharya's policies (not Jyoti Basu's). BJP has been calling the Left Front Chinese agents and when push came to shove, they allied with the Maoists and Jamiat-e-Islami (Nandigram incident). It is quite clear to me who the real two faced snakes are.

    Secondly, BJP is trying to win with votes from Gurkhas, many of whom are illegals themselves. Now, we are talking pot and kettle, aren't we?

    Politics is not child's play buddy! Observe, observe, and observe.
     
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    And BJP did what was possible. BJP cannot guarantee that next Government will do the same. Congress helping such migrants for Muslim vote bank.

    Off-Topic!! I can list 100's of such things!!

    But at that time, Mamta was not in power and TMC is an independent party with independent ideology. For Maoist, I have answer but another off-topic!

    BJP can follow it's own ideology only when it comes in power on own or 225 seats like that. Like congress got 225 seats for 4 decades. Blame only when BJP comes in power on it's own and then they don't throw out Illegal Bangladeshi/Myanmar Muslims. Don't give judgement on just your own perception!

    Then you don't understand why there is No documents needed for Bhutani/Nepali citizen. Simply, because they are Hindus/Buddhist. I am sure, when Pro-Muslims secularist will come in power with 2/3rd majority, Then they won't have problem with Muslims but Hindus/Buddhist. I know, their mentality.

    Then, it's better to agree to disagree. :)

    We should not waste any effort but should deport back immediately. It's the responsibly of Islamic countries and not India just because we are secularist in own defined way.
     
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    ^^

    You need to work on your quotes.

    I will respond.
     

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