Afghanistan's military budget $4 billion more than Pakistan's

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  1. Bengal_Tiger

    Bengal_Tiger Regular Member

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    I've looked online and sources say Afghanistan's military budget is $11.6 billion compared to Pakistan's $7.6 billion.

    a: What do members here think of this?

    b: Will the Afghan military surpass the Pakistani one, not overall but in certain aspects in the future?

    1. I'm not a military specialist but I'd assume that the Pakistani army has a 1/2 a century start on the Afghans and despite the difference in budgets is obviously far bigger than the Afghan one and already has a big fleet of aircraft, a relatively big navy and a very big army, things which the Afghans don't really have bar the large manpower in their army which they have and which they can call upon from their population but the army also includes tanks, APCs.

    2. However their current budget is over 50% more than the Pakistani one. Though it doesn't totally guarantee anything as stats are sometimes misleading and some of that budget could be syphoned off in the form of corruption, if we were to assume for the sake of intellectual debate that all of that $11 billion went to their armed forces, what level could they get to at this rate in 5 years time?

    3. In different parts of the world smaller countries can invest in technology and match or surpass bigger rivals e.g. Singapore v Malaysia, Israel v the Arabs etc.

    4. What does this mean for Pakistan in general and Rawalpindi's dreams of "strategic depth"? It's clear that the Taliban will never rule Afghanistan ever again and the Afghan armed forces are too strong for them and getting stronger and stronger each year and the Taliban themselves are moderating their ideology year by year too (some even have facebook).

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  3. tarunraju

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    This means Afghanistan is preparing to be part of a 4-front war alongside India, Iran and the US, against Pakistan.
     
  4. IndianHawk

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    This is American supply budget and it's focus on decimating Taliban. Anyway if Afghanistan can sustain an army almost 1/2 of Pakistan , it can put enormous pressure on Pakistan. Given the Chinese penetration in Porkistan America will stay in Afghanistan. So Pakistani dreams are sure to be shattered
     
  5. Raj Malhotra

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    Most of this budget is financed by USA, who give by one hand and take back by another.
     
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    Most part of these budget is spent to create an infrastructure for Afghanistan. Much of it is donated by NATO & other countries, including India. But it will come down with time, as the US led forces will leave the area. They will keep few thousands to keep eye on activities carried out by other players in the region, but they will not have any significant mission in the region.

    Afghanistan as a nation will have to survive on its own, no other country can help it for long. And with a pro-taliban & pro-terrorist Pakistan in the neighbour they will have to do it in hurry.

    They should maintain an army of at least 4-4.5 lakh personnel, with 600-700 tanks, 10-15 attack helicopter and 500-600 artillery guns to fight against the talibanis aided by some mullahs in Pakistan.
     
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    i think Pakistani Army is not revealing it's true Budget ......
     
  8. Zulfiqar Khan

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    Around 90% of it is aid. Another half of it is not effectively utilised. The budget includes the salaries for tens of thousands of "ghost soldiers". Pakistan's defence budget is 9.2b as of 2016.

    Not possible at all. They are in a wreck right now and it's only getting worse.

    Their budget will be decreased to around 1-3b once the situation "stabilises" and the US pulls the 'aid plug'.

    Afghanistan doesn't have the necessary means to "surpass" Pakistan technologically. Even if it does, it'll still be impossible for them to get ahead of us.

    Taliban just recently captured one of Afghanistan's largest city AGAIN. The Taliban are currently in their strongest state post-9/11. The situation will most likely remain a stalemate. Pakistan's "strategic plan" towards Afghanistan right now is simple. Complete the wall, seal the border and 'ignore' Afghanistan.
     
  9. Bengal_Tiger

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    1. If the situation remains as it is now than it means the Kabul government controls Afghanistan including major cities such as Kabul, Herat and so forth. It would also means that Kabul continues getting stronger and stronger year by year.

    2. It's also an implicit admission (and agreement with my thesis) that the Taliban cannot take Afghanistan ever again.
     
  10. Zulfiqar Khan

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    By that logic then you can say the Taliban is also getting stronger and stronger year by year.

    Of Course, the Taliban cannot take Afghanistan ever again (but who knows) - the Government also cannot fully control Afghanistan ever again (in it's current situation).
     
  11. Bengal_Tiger

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    1. The Taliban went from ruling the country to opposition group waging insurgency/terrorism (depending on your POV), the Kabul government rose from nothing and has now been in power for around 15 years (far more than Taliban rule).

    2. The big cities are all under Kabul's control and the population is becoming more and more educated and less interested in backward fundamentalism.

    So time is for Kabul and against the Taliban.
     
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    PLAN OF PAKISTAN IS TO CAPTURE AFGHANISTAN & MAKE IT A COLONY OF PAKISTAN (JUST LIKE EAST PAKISTAAN OF PRE 1971 ERA BASED ON UMMAH-CHUMAH IDEOLOGY ).....................

    BUT PAKISTAN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAVE EVEN SINDHUDESH & BALOCHISTAN

    CHECK THE DEFENCE BUDGET & EQUIPMENT OF AFGHANISTAN ......................THERE IS A LARGE CHINESE AID & EQUIPMENT PROVIDED BY CHINESE GOVT .....................THEY ALSO WANT INDEPENDENT AFGHANISTAN LIKE INDIA ..........THEY HAVE BOTH RUSSIAN & AMERICAN WEAPONS & SUPPORT ...............


    IRAN & ARABS ALSO WANT INDEPENDENT AFGHANISTAN ........

    THIS IS WHY PAKISTAN IS ISOLATED .

     
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  13. IndianHawk

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    Afgan doesn't need a navy. Or supersonic jets for that matter . With solid boots on ground and helicopter support it can deal with Taliban. World will not allow Taliban to return to power . They can at best be junior partners in some kind of a peace deal. They are much less populated if they can utilize mineral wealth they can be prosperous faster. Regarding porki if afgans maintain 1/3 army of porki with decent gear they will kick porki in butt (no doubt these are bloody fighters) . India just poured a billion more in Afghanistan that's pretty serious. We are only going to increase this. Afgan will rise .
     
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    As the entire economy of Afghanistan is less than $20 billions, it's purely aid.
     
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    Spot on! The nukes are not covered in the defence budget nor the pay and allowances and pensions of soldiers.
     
  16. Akask kumar

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    dnt forget pak desnt solely rely on budget for funds.. the pak army has its own economy.. they manufacture consumer products and earn profit from there too.. plus American aid at once was also another source of income
     
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    ofcourse...but that pak army money doesn't go into the defense purchase..that goes in as PROFIT from business to individuals..the pak army business men!
     
  18. IndianHawk

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    US will not pull the aid plug anytime soon . Specifically when Pakistan is a Chinese stooge and SCO is influencing central Asia . Logic dictates that US will try to preserve Afghanistan as a military outpost.
    In any case Afghanistan can maintain 10 billion budget if just US EU and INDIA keep supporting it and I am sure they will.
     
  19. AbRaj

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    Plus government has support of almost all countries and specially of those who actually matter, on the other hand Taliban have support of few rogue regimes which probably would be facing heat in upcoming time for their foolish policies
     
  20. AbRaj

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    Taliban =terrorists = Pakistan
    So they do have supersonic jets and tanks
     

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