Afghan president seems to favour Pakistan over India

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  1. chex3009

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    By Ajai Shukla
    Kabul, Afghanistan

    In what will come as a shock to the Indian public, which has supported New Delhi’s political backing and US $1.3 billion developmental aid programme to Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai’s steadfast support for India is being apparently overtaken by his growing alignment with Pakistan.

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    The signals were unmistakable at a just-concluded “track two” India-Pakistan-Afghanistan trialogue, organised this week in Kabul by an Indian think tank, the Delhi Policy Group. After strongly supporting the first three rounds of the trialogue, over the last two years, the Government of Afghanistan effectively ignored this fourth round, as did the Pakistani embassy.

    President Karzai himself, while ignoring the trialogue along with his ministers and senior policymakers, had enough time to have a one-on-one conversation with Pakistani journalist and TV anchor, Naseem Zehra, who peeled off from the trialogue for this exclusive chat with the president.

    “Karzai has clearly decided that his survival depends upon hedging his bets with Pakistan”, says an Afghan foreign ministry official in Kabul. “He believes his support from America is running out, and New Delhi is unwilling to go beyond humanitarian aid and provide a more muscular presence.”

    These Afghan sources describe an insecure and frightened Karzai who is worried that, with India having decided to confine itself in Afghanistan to soft power and developmental aid, an American troop pullout would see him isolated and at the mercy of the Taliban. His post-American survival, therefore, depends upon building good relations with Pakistan and Iran.

    “Every Afghan president is haunted by the spectre of Najeebullah”, explains an Afghan official. Mohammad Najeebullah, who was the president of Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal, was captured by the Taliban when they swept into Kabul in 1996. He was tortured, brutally killed, and his mutilated body was hung up by the Taliban in this city’s Aryana square.

    Foreign ministry sources identify Karzai’s first major pro-Pakistan gesture as the sacking, on 6th June, of Amrullah Saleh, head of the Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security. Saleh, an outspoken critic of Pakistan’s backing for the Taliban, was ordered to resign after an abortive rocket attack on a peace jirga (conference) that was meeting to approve negotiations with the Taliban. Interior Minister, Hanif Atmar, was also asked to resign.

    That also provided the opportunity to hand over the Afghan National Army (ANA) to a more Pakistan-friendly officer, say Indian officials in New Delhi. The stridently anti-Taliban and anti-Pakistan ANA chief, General Bismillah Khan Mohammadi, was asked to hand over command of the army and take over the interior ministry.

    At that time, Karzai’s spokesperson, Waheed Omer, insisted that the only reason for Saleh’s removal was a security lapse at the jirga. But most Afghans perceived it as a sop to Pakistan in exchange for “facilitating” a dialogue with the Taliban.

    Meanwhile India continued diplomatically, but firmly, to oppose Karzai’s key internal initiative, which was dialogue with the Taliban. “There is no moderate Taliban just as there is no good terrorist,” remains India’s official position, voiced by numerous officials in multiple forums worldwide.

    In retrospect, say Afghanistan experts in New Delhi, Karzai’s evolving approach towards Pakistan was evident even before Saleh’s removal. In January this year, Karzai excluded from his new cabinet his longstanding foreign minister, Rangin Dadfar Spanta, who had been unsparing in his criticism of Pakistan. Zalmai Rassoul, who has been far friendlier towards Pakistan, was appointed in Spanta’s place.

    Two months later, in March, the Afghan president declared during a visit to Islamabad, “India is a close friend of Afghanistan but Pakistan is a twin brother.”

    Meanwhile, the Indian government continues to rely on the United States and the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), which currently maintain security across Afghanistan while building up Afghan capabilities. New Delhi is keen to provide training assistance for the ANA and the police, but Washington has resisted an Indian military presence, in deference to Pakistani fears.

    On 15th Dec, the US government released a major review document, which outlined Washington’s plans for the withdrawal of more than 100,000 American troops in Afghanistan. Keeping many more cards in Washington’s hand than were put down on the table, the review suggested that a “responsible” US withdrawal would begin as scheduled in 2011 (read, not many troops will be pulled out next year), leading towards the handing over of security responsibility to Afghan forces in 2014. The review was optimistic that this past year’s “troop surge” of 30,000 additional American soldiers was weakening Al Qaeda and arresting the Taliban’s momentum.

    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/12/afghan-president-seems-to-favour.html
     
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  3. JANA

    JANA Regular Member

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    What is so strange in it? The reality is India is a non-player in Afghanistan and earlier it was trying to ride on the back of USSR and now it has put all its eggs in US basket.

    Karzai and any govt in Afghanistan surely have more interests serve better by having good ties with Pakistan.
     
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    Nice...even the paid trolls from the "other" forum have come here. :happy_3:
     
  5. SHASH2K2

    SHASH2K2 New Member

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    Well you said it and India has become a non player . Its Afaghanistan which has to decide who is player and who is non player. pakistan would be a non player if ISI and Army leaves use of terrorists as tools of foreign policy.
     
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    then what pakistan has to offer terrorism, kill innocent afganis, but we never beg like you begger
     
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    I would request members to maintain restraint. There is nothing to get pissed off.
     
  8. JANA

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    According to your own baharatiya writer mr shukla who is so much worried over the shift viz a viz Karzai, dont you think Karzai represents Afghanistan ? ;)


    anyway as far as India is concerned it has never been a player in Afghanistan. You guys have tried to take some advantage but alas your so-called false claims of development (which btw are no more than working for your survival viz a viz reaching CARs) have dash to grounds.

    lets wait and see where bharat will end up when US on whom you were banking badly will leave the region slowly.
     
  9. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    If India is a non player why complain to USA about involvement in Afghanistan and all the embassies India has??Why blow up an embassy it was no threat according to this non-player logic.
     
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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    You are confused USA is paying Pakistan to do the dirty work for Afghanistan and get attacked by drones, India is more involved with Iran and Russia when it comes to Afghanistan.
     
  11. smartindian

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    they why are you so worried about our 5 consulate, so leave it we are there for helping poor afganis not for any strategic gain unlike pakistan
     
  12. chex3009

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    Let the US move out completely around 2014/15 and it will be nice and clear who is a player and who is not. We are just waiting for it to happen for so long now.
     
  13. utubekhiladi

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    if we need to survive, our presence is essential in Afghanistan.
     
  14. JANA

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    Oh good you reminded me that where is India a player in Afghanistan. yes none other than for terror activities in Pakistan through these camps cum consulates.

    and as far as complaints that is a normal procedure every country follow including bahart. nothing extra ordinary.

    :)
     
  15. JANA

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    Interesting point i have come across for the first time from an Indian. would you care to explain. its an important point you raised.
     
  16. LETHALFORCE

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    you are contradicting yourself, let's start over is India a player or not?? Karzai did not say the consulates are a threat he welcomed them so who has more influence in Afghanistan??
     
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  17. Zaki

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    last time I checked you still take aid from United Kingdom?

    There was a talk in UK that we must stop providing Aid to India due to internal economic crisis in the UK

    This word "never" doesn't suit you. You too have taken loans from all over the world, just like any other nation and you too have accepted aid from all over the world just like other nations :rofl:

    NEVER :emot15:
     
  18. smartindian

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    jana please spell properly name of Bharath , this is not your third class forum
     
  19. JANA

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    You surely have NO information about dynamics in Afghanistan and role of Iran and Russia. India is not at all involved with Iran or russia currently as far as Afghanistan is concerned.

    You have already dumped Iran and above all Indians are requesting NATO and US to stay in Afghanistan whereas Iran, Pakistan, Afghan fighters and majority of people just want US/NATO out of the region.

    its funny to see your Indian money wasted on those strategic roads lolzz converting into potholes
     
  20. LETHALFORCE

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    There have been a few recent meetings this year about afghanistan this year are you sure you know what is going on?? As a reporter shouldn't you have the right facts?? Those roads will be good for Baluchistan.
     
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  21. JANA

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    I am not contradicting myself in fact you failed to comprehend the pun ;) anyway you should check what does a player means in terms of strategic standing
     

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