Advani has conceded defeat for 2014 LS polls: Congress, SP

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  1. Yusuf

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    NEW DELHI: Congress and other parties today took a dig at BJP leader L K Advani saying he has conceded defeat even before the race has begun for the 2014 Lok Sabha elections while some BJP leaders differed with him.

    Reacting to Advani's latest blog posting, Congress said Advani has given up the fight by casting doubts over his party's ability.

    "I can say about this blog that Advani himself has conceded defeat by saying there is a possibility that there can't be a BJP Prime Minister in 2014. It means he has conceded defeat," Congress leader Rajiv Shukla told reporters here.

    After this blog, how will a BJP candidate win? he asked. Advani had similarly predicted defeat for Congress before 2004 and 2009 elections but it came to power both the times, he said.

    Terming the BJP leader as a "reluctant general" going to war, Shukla said, "If anybody is reluctant then how can anyone win the war. What kind of a general is he who concedes defeat even before the battle?"

    Another Congress leader Satyavrat Chaturvedi said Advani's statement reflected internal rift in his party and recalled the predictions made by him before 2004 and 2009 elections.

    BJP National Vice President Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said there is a strong anti-Congress wave blowing in the country and BJP and NDA will get majority.

    Samajwadi Party leader Mohan Singh also toed the line taken by Shukla and said, "Even before the elections, BJP has conceded defeat."

    Sharad Yadav, who heads the JD-U, an NDA ally, refused to indulge in speculation ahead of the 2014 polls.

    But, JD-U leader from Bihar Neeraj Kumar said, "We need a secular leader as PM and one who is sympathetic towards the cause of the backward classes."

    Advani had in his blog today talked about the possibility of a non-Congress, non-BJP Prime Minister heading the government after the 2014 general elections with the help of these two principal parties.

    He also cited examples of Charan Singh, Chandrashekhar, H D Deve Gowda and I K Gujral - all supported by Congress - as well as V P Singh who became Prime Minister with BJP support.

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    The said blog post. The dhongress and its paid media puppies are just having a verbal diarrhea. He told that two senior cabinet ministers in UPA govt believes that there can be third front govt in 2014.

    its just usual trolling by khangress and its media cronies.

    Source
     
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    self delete. duplicate post
     
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    :rofl::rofl::laugh:
     
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    Paid/secular/minority owned media will stoop to any low to project italians and their cohorts to be next PM of this godforsaken nation of (majority) cowards and zero self-respecting people! Nothing new, our media is the most shameless and inept in the world!

    P.S: This country has gone to the gutter - first with pakis and in-house jihadis, then with evangelists, and now with Bangladeshis and Rohingyas! How dumb are the people of this nation - that they will still vote for this secular/corrupt Italian/vatican led GOI, who have been looting poor of this nation no less than islamic plunderers of medieval times!

    In a democrazy, you get what you deserve - and if we deserve illiterate italian waitresses and their dunbass children as our leaders then be it!
     
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    I totally agree.

    There is no doubt about that.

    Will not last long because there is too much of contradiction in each's stand and they have no leaders of national stature to hold the coalition together.

    Would not be much of a surprise the way the Congress has gone about the business of governance.

    Very true.

    NO thanks to BJP's policy but a reaction to the moribund rudderless two headed Congress UPA Govt.

    Also, people have seen the governance of the BJP ruled states except the miserable Karnataka Govt. South will be lost to the BJP.

    But the critical issue of votes would depend on if Anna forms a political party.

    It will cut through the Congress and BJP votes!
     
  8. I dont want to come off as a defender of Media . . . but here the blame lies squarely on LK Advani . . .

    16th Loksabha elections are a golden opportunity for BJP, except for some die hard Congressi's whole nation today
    is abuzz with NaMo's reputation as the new Rising star . . . If BJP were to cast off its internal differences and project NaMo as their PM candidate, they clearly would be the single Largest party, with or without Nitish's Janta Dal
    but for people like LK Advani who simply cannot come to terms with the Fact that they will never be the PM of this country

    He'll rather hijack NaMo's chances and project a more pessimistic picture so that he can play the Kingmaker .

    I m sure his latest blog is nothing but pre emptive posturing towards projecting himself as the Kingmaker.

    petty selfish Politics as ever by LK Advani
     
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    Agreed. The biggest threat to NaMo's chances are not in Cong but in BJP! And LKA is not the only one among them.
     
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    According to LKA, Congress will not win 100 seats. I am not sure, But it's almost impossible to win 150 seats. 60-70 seats loss in Urban/Semi-Urban area is written on wall irrespective of Team Anna. I would discount 25-50 seats due to populist scheme/subsidy which Congress might bring before election. So, Congress might win 125 seats. This is still danger as Congress can still run proxy government by supporting 3rd front with 150 odd MP's from 10-20 regional parties. BJP doesn't have the luxury to form the government if it fails to win 170 seats due to secular-communal politics.

    L.K Advani is not PM candidate. He will only become PM if he agrees that he will step-down after 1-3 years to hand-over the post to Modi (that also i am not sure). LKA lacks RSS backing which is the most important thing.

    BJP PM candidate is not decided by BJP leaders but RSS HQ in Nagpur.

    IMO, BJP will project both Modi and one of the 3 Delhi leaders (AJ, SS, NG). 2012 Gujarat assembly election is very important for Modi. IMO, BJP can win 200+ seats if it projects NaMo as PM

    Nitish Kumar will eventually go. It may happen in early 2014, nearer general elections. BJP lets Nitish Kumar go around now by choice or BJP can live in false hope that Nitish will not leave but he will, eventually, just before elections. However, It will not make difference to BJP seats as party is strong in Bihar.
     
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    So, its media who is interpreting any comment as per their convenience..
     
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    Headlines sell, news does not sell. Plus who will take the effort to read the whole article.
     
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    MUMBAI/NEW DELHI: LK Advani's prediction of a non-Congress, non-NDA alliance coming to power after 2014 polls generated more heat today with Shiv Sena supremo Bal Thackeray slamming the BJP leader while differences within key ally JD(U) on the issue also came to the fore. In hard-hitting comments, Thackeray asserted that Advani's musings on the outcome of the 2014 polls in his latest blog was "demoralising" for the opposition NDA and likened the assessment to an Army General saying before a war that there is no guarantee on the outcome.

    "This is like a General saying before a war that there is no guarantee on the outcome, and demoralising the entire Army," Thackeray said in an editorial in party mouthpiece 'Saamana'. "If Advani has any doubts, he can come to me and I will give him a dose of morale and strength," Thackeray said and asked NDA "not to lose heart". RSS ideologue M G Vaidya said it was premature to make a prediction at this stage. "It is premature at this stage. It would be inappropriate to say anything at this stage," Vaidya said.
    Advani's prediction saw difference surface in the JD(U) with its Rajya Sabha MP Shivanand Tiwari, who is known to be close to Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar, backing the BJP veteran, saying he "understands the pulse of the country's politics". Tiwari's comments came a day after after JD (U) chief and NDA convenor Sharad Yadav voiced his "complete disagreement" with Advani's prediction.

    "Advaniji is a very senior person. He has contested many an election and toured the country extensively. He understands the pulse of the country's politics and the trends. He has written something on the basis of an objective analysis," Tiwari said.

    Yadav, who is not on the same page with Nitish on some issues, had said he "completely disagrees" with Advani's contention and maintained that UPA will lose the next elections "badly" and NDA will emerge as the largest alliance. Akali Dal leader Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa said though Advani's assessment was his personal point of view, they could damage the party. Chhattisgarh Chief Minister and BJP leader Raman Singh said Advani's remarks would have no impact on the state Assembly election due in 2013. RJD chief Lalu Prasad said, "It is the coalition era which will continue for long. There are polarisation of votes. Now the elections will be fought between two camps--secular forces versus communal forces."

    He predicted that secular parties will always emerge victorious whenever there is a fight between the two camps. "All secular parties will come together and will come to the Centre. There is no possibilities of a Third front or fourth front. Voters will reject the communal forces again and secular parties will form the government."

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    What happened to predictions of LK Advani in 2009?? :rofl: :rofl:
     
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    Newspapers still considers Lalu Yadav's opinion.....:toilet:
     
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  16. I doubt its lack of morale and strength . . . .

    I am afraid its the same old green eyed Monster called Envy
     
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    Earlier, I was confused why LKA said such thing. PM might be Non-BJP / Non-Congress i.e. from any regional party.

    He doesn't lack any strength or enthusiasm.

    One need to read the whole blog.

    1> He predicted that Congress will not even win 100 seats.
    2> He said what regional parties are trying to do. Eye for PM post. There is not a single regional party which can win 10+ seat and happy with UPA or NDA.

    According to him, BJP with 175 odd MP will support any regional leader if party doesn't take the aggressive position now.

    Bottom line : He is indicating that BJP should start preparing 2014 election now by assuming that it has to go alone. Party should focus on how to win maximum seats rather than wasting time on allies OTHERWISE it would be difficult for the party. If you observe closely, After his statement - JD(u) and Shiv-Sena both are neither openly supporting any BJP candidate nor even saying PM would be from BJP. Today, JD(u) spokesperson said PM could be Nitish (Indirectly) and SS said (NCP-SS) alliance possible.Did anyone said "NO, PM would be from BJP which is obvious" ? He knows the ambition of few leaders. So do something or wait for disaster.
     
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    For the uninitiated, it was meant as a dig at Nitish. And the media twisted it as Advani conceding defeat.
     
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    Advani blog: Sena fumes, JD(U) welcomes prediction
    Advani blog: Sena fumes, JD(U) welcomes prediction

    It is quite obvious that JD(u) is going to leave NDA. Nitish is just trying to find an excuse. BJP knows it very well.


    Sharad Pawar will leave UPA for NDA: Shiv Sena
    Sharad Pawar will leave UPA for NDA: Shiv Sena

    May be BJP is looking an alliance with MNS and Shiv-Sena with NCP. Remember, MNS already supported Modi as PM. SS didn't.

    AIADMK already supported BJP candidate in President + Vice-President. BJD cannot go with Congress. Post-poll alliance possible.

    Trinamool Congress to go it alone in 2014 General Elections
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    Few regional parties are ganging-up to come in power in 2014 election by winning maximum seats by going alone. BJP is trying to counter such move by various strategy.
     
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    On the same day, there was a news that Nitish met Gadkari and said no to Modi as PM.
And our beloved Gujarat Samachar printed that "Gadkari assured Nitish that Modi won't be PM."
Sandesh printed "Cut Modi : Advani-Nitish ganged up."

:rofl: These newspapers should get best Propaganda Machine award.Especially Gujarat Samachar.
     
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