Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by nitesh, Feb 12, 2009.
..test in early 2018
..... good news.........
Nope. Picture shared today is original.
It was first shared by Tejas-LCA admin on Facebook.
Now they expect it by mid next year OR end of next year.
Neither MiG-21 nor Mirage-2000 are CAS aircraft. Whether they took part in CAS or not is irrelevant.
India can afford a dedicated CAS aircraft. LCA should not be used for CAS.
I am aware that some countries have used the MiG-21 for CAS (the Russians use the Sukhoi-25). When did India use the Mirage-2000 for CAS? Could yo please share the specifics of a few missions?
A multi-role aircraft can perform multiple roles. CAS is not one of the roles as far as LCA is concerned.
There is no design trade-off in the LCA between its stated objective and CAS whatsoever. It was designed from the outset as an interceptor and has the potential of being a strike aircraft.
This debate is several years old. I don't have time to repeat what has been repeated already. I recommend read the posts by P2P from years ago, if you can ignore his personal attacks.
P.S.: If I get time, I will open a thread on the fundamentals of aviation.
So there are 2 tejas with ifr?
For close air support we can use modified trainer Hawk it has the same speed of the Su-25 and A-10 thunderbolt.
Though hawk is small compared to them we can increase the size and our own CAS is ready and we can not bother about the mig's retirement.
Hawk is 12.4 meters in length and has two seats for student and instructor,other had 15-16 metets.
We can reduce hawk to one seat and increase the length to 15-16 meters, so does increase in the wing spam,fuel capacity and payload capacity.
Otherwise simply go to Yak-130
I am no expert, but i think ideal CAS aircraft are the ones which can withstand some punishment like rugged A-10. Hawk and YAK are trainers. I remember watching a documentary on it where the aircraft has returned to base with one wing missing.
Yes hawk and yak are trainers when you increase the length automatically the plane will get enough rigidity to withstand.
The proliferation of manpads in modern battlefield has made the CAS role difficult for aircrafts. Modern manpads like Verba are increasingly using more sensors making them difficult to counter. A-10 and Su-25 won't be replaced until they be become completely obsolete.
Future of CAS is likely to be drones and artillery. Against less advanced enemies, light attack aircrafts (mostly propeller aircrafts) are going to be used.
It is good news that tejas will conduct air to air refuelling in early 2018. Tejas is only answer for arresting Indian air force falling squardon strength. I hope hal will finish Tejas FOC with in given time.
During operation Safad Sagar, IAF Mirages provided close air support by conducted raids on tiger hill with precision guided bombs to destroy enemy bunkers, In similar way Tejas are tested with PGMs like LGB and certified to use it for CAS role ..
I remember a 3rd one too, but if I'm not wrong that was just a mock up.
Mirage 2000 CAS config back then with 2 x 1000lb LGBs
LCA CAS configs today with 2 x 1000lb LGBs
With 2 x 500lb LGBs
French Mirage 2000 in CAS config during Libyan war with 2 x 500lb LGBs
UAE Mirage 2000 in CAS config with Hakim PGM during Libyan war, as well as in Yemen now
There should be no doubt about CAS capability of delta wing fighters, let alone of LCA Tejas.
That`s the reason we have AURA and Kaveri`s spinoff for that project ..
But this is about the future, lets focus on Tejas present development and news ..
Could you please provide the details of the mission? I assume it is not classified. I wish to get details about the mission, possibly a description of flight path, speed, altitude. If it is classified, we won't know much from it.
Let's get a couple of things straight.
1) CAS is a mission not a platform.
2) Not every bomb run is CAS.
The poster child of American led internet age for CAS is A-10. So the "Brrrrt" fanboys effectively muddied the waters between mission and platform. One false equivalence that often pops up in these discussions is the case of Su-25. Difference is that Su-25 is twice as fast as A-10 and uses unguided rockets and missiles as primary weapons not cannon.
Following is a breakdown of CAS in highly permissive environments of Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.
Even in the best case scenario, A-10, a much touted slow, low and armoured CAS platform conducted just 1/4th of the CAS missions and would have been swatted like flies had they faced a decent air force and air defence. India is never going to get this kind of playing field.
Moving onto the second point, the bright spot of Operation Safed Sagar was not the CAS but air-interdiction. Most of the battlefield support was conducted by arty not IAF. Ashley Tellis wrote a detailed account of IAF's role in Kargil. IAF wasn't in a position for conducting CAS because the terrain and the altitude didn't allow them to be. IAF did what it could that is, creating avalanches over climbing routes, using visuals and sonic booms to intimidate the enemy and above all blow up Munto Dhalo camp. LCA is perfectly capable of achieving that and more.
As for dedicated CAS platform for IAF, there was never any need. IAF is however mulling over upgrading Hawks for such missions. Atleast this what Shiv Aroor is selling.
The Mirage 2000 in Kargil
Source : http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Kargil/1056-PCamp.html
The Attack on Tiger Hill
Written by Air Marshal Raghunath Nambiar – Deputy Chief of Staff of IAF
Act of bravery by the ace Tejas test pilot, the second one to have flown Tejas after Wg Cdr R Kothiyal, here we present Air Marshal R Nambiar's own experience on recapturing Tiger Hill during the famous Kargil war.
We are fortunate to have him in our roll of honour as Test Pilots. ( Tejas - LCA at FB )
Full article here : http://vsktelangana.org/the-attack-on-tiger-hill/
I was making a note on exact date for first flight for Tejas.
SP6: 30 June 2017
SP4: 03 Mar 2017
SP3: 28 Sep 2016
SP2: 22 Mar 2016
SP1: Jan 2015
Can someone please help me to find out exact date of first flight of SP1.
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