A special report on Ahmadi persecution

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  1. Nagraj

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    The condemned: A special report on Ahmadi persecution - coming soon


    ‘The condemned’ is an endeavor to chronicle Ahmadi persecution in Pakistan.
    The upcoming documentary aims to let voices from the community tell their stories themselves. Most of the interviews have been recorded without revealing the identities of the interviewees because the degree of threat these people face is extreme.
    For an Ahmadi, to even come out in public to let the society openly know that he or she is a follower of this faith is a risk. To film the major chunk of the report, we travelled to Rabwah which is the hometown of the community in Pakistan and also the safest place for an Ahmadi to live in the country.
    There are many victims of persecution who cannot even leave the town out of fear for their lives.
    This is their story.
    Rest of the story is here The condemned: A special report on Ahmadi persecution – coming soon – The Express Tribune
     
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  3. Nagraj

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    Ok can some one answer:- what is the diff btw these people religious views and "normal muslims" (sry dunno how else to describe :/ ) as seen by extremists?
    it seems both shias and sunnis hate them ( i might be wrong. please correct me. )
    are there ahmadi muslims in INDIA??
     

  4. Aah well.... the Whole thing starts with one
    Mirza Ghulam Ahamd of Qadian who lived in the 19th Century in British India

    Ahamadiya Muslims conform with his views and proclamations which ordinary Muslims deem herectical
    namely assertions that He is The 2nd coming of Christ and Imam Mehdi both sort of rolled into one ...

    also many other claims which sort of border on being Prophetical in nature thus going against the
    fundamental and deeply sensitive tenet of Finality of Prophet Muhammad ...

    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Also his views differ from the classical interpretation of Islam on
    issues such Jihad (he said Jihad of sword is an obsolete concept.... etc etc )
    and 2nd coming of Christ ....

    Many claim he was an Agent of British .....
    I'll say ...add to that the fact the Ahmaddiya Muslim did very well for itself in field of Commerce and Education ....
    which ofcourse rouses green monster of Envy in many
     
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  5. Tronic

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    Mainstream Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet. Ahmadis believe that Krishna, Buddha and Guru Nanak were also messengers of God; the last one being Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Although most Muslims are willing to debate in regards to Krishna and Buddha as being messengers of god as they both came before Muhammad, therefore, Muhammad's "sunnah" and teachings automatically override what Krishna and Buddha taught, the same is not the case with Baba Nanak and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. This is what results in the ideological clash and persecution of Ahmadis.

    (ps: Ahmadi interpretation of Baba Nanak's teachings differ with the Sikh interpretation of his teachings. Just felt it was important to mention that.)
     
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    Yes, and since it conflicts with belief in finality of Muhammad, Ahmadis are technically non-muslims as per Islam
     
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  7. Zebra

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    India

    India has a significant Ahmadiyya population. Most of them live in Kerala, Rajasthan, Orissa, Haryana, Bihar, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, and a few in Punjab in the area of Qadian.

    Ahmadis are held to be Muslims by law in India. Their legal status as Muslims is supported by a landmark ruling by the Kerala High Court on 8 December 1970 in the case of Shihabuddin Imbichi Koya Thangal vs K.P. Ahammed Koya, citation A.I.R. 1971 Ker 206. In this case, the court ruled that Ahmadis are Muslims and that they cannot be declared apostates by other Muslim sects because they hold true to the two fundamental beliefs of Islam: that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad was a servant and messenger of god.

    There are hence no legal restrictions on the religious activities of Ahmadis in India and Ahmadis are free to practice their religion and call themselves Muslims. However, there is some discrimination against Ahmadis in India from fellow Muslims of other sects. Specifically, the Islamic University of India and Darul Uloom Deoband have declared Ahmadis to be non-Muslims. Ahmadis are also not permitted by Muslim leaders of the other sects to sit on the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, an independent body of Islamic religious leaders that the Indian government recognises as representatives of Indian Muslims.
    More recently, the Andhra Pradesh Wakf Board took a series of unprecedented decisions and has asked the Qazis in the state not to perform Nikah for those belonging to Ahmadiyya community.
    Ahmadiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Ahmadiyya and Mirasi are the same? :confused:
    Mirasi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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  8. Nagraj

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    Thanks @casper, tronic & cliff!
    now Who are quadin or quadani (sry it sonds like that dunno the spelling).
    are they related to ahmadias?

    read on comments section of pak newspaper.
    any explanations???
     
  9. Nagraj

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    How come those idiots are overriding the indian laws!
    that too uncontested!
     
  10. Qadiyani and Ahamaddiya
    are two names for same thing...


    Qadiyani cause the preacher was born in Qadiyan
    Ahamaddiya coz Ahmad was his name
     
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  11. Tronic

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    No. Ahmadis are a religious group while Mirasis are an ethnic group. A Mirasi may or may not be an Ahmadi. They are mostly Sunnis and Sikhs though.
     
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  12. Nagraj

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    i am unable to find any comprehensive data but it does look like they are less then even 1% of total poplation.
    lol really!
    why whould you hate people who are less then 1% and hate them for every ill in your country.
     
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    Please ask this to the Socialist and secular people who do have many faces and this is their department. They are the thekedars of the Muslim people.
     
  14. Zebra

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    Thanks Tronic, it will be great if you can say more about the Mirasi ethnic group please.

    I do have a reason to ask this, but I can't tell you on net here.
    Is there any relation with Hindu people? Then how?
     

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