A Paper Dragon: China's armed forces

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I am sorry, I dont live in a commie country to hear and believe propaganda as gospels. Yes, a war was avoided, which you guys could never have won but would have resulted in massive cost for India. You guys had a decisive defeat in the skirmish, because, unlike the 1962 war, there was no nehru to save your behind:lol:

As I was saying, you guys only show restrain when you are sure you wont win. You just act as assholes whenever you are sure of winning a war decisively. That is the only reason you guys are making noises and noises alone instead of actually doing something.

It wonderful how the Chinese govt keeps you all as puppets. Now go earn your 50 cents for spreading your masters' words:taunt1:
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Do not get into arguments with idiots they will bring you to their level...
 
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LOL, thank you for showing how Indian government brainwash you.

That article can enlarge the number of Chinese casualties to 1 billion.( Btw,may be this guy should practice simple math a little bit, 300+40 = 400?)


First stage

Nathu La, 1967 Sep,7th

China lost 123 (32 died and 91 wounded), India lost 607 (57 dead bodies confirmed and transferred by PLA to IA)

Chinese army captured 1 light machine gun ,9 automatic guns and 16 rifles from IA.

After the skirmish, Indian army had to go to Chinese side to received IA dead bodies (also weapons) transferred by PLA and signed to confirm (same as they did in 1962).



Second stage, India started attack at Chinese nation day, and trying to revenge.

Gê'gyai, 1967,Oct 1st (started at 11:20 , finished at 19:55 )

India lost 195 according to its report from front line. China side lost 2 .


还愿——1967年中印在乃堆拉山口和卓拉山口的冲突--军事频道-中华网-中国最大职业人士门户
nice story... Lies spread by Chinese ...
 
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This guy @CCP is a certified troll...

Do not get into arguments with idiots they will bring you to their level...
Well, we all know you have a defence minister friend and a good source from your mother's friend 's son.

Do you need me to remind you that?
 
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On one hand, you're constantly saying the PRC is an "aggressive, militarist, imperial etc etc threat" to peace and Asia at large, on the other you denounce and ridicule the same PRC's current non-violent re-unification policy towards Taiwan.

Here's your - let's be kind - "simplistic" statement in real geopolitical terms:

Since the demise of the Soviet Union, Desert Storm in 1991 and Clinton's 1996 "show of force" in the Taiwan straight, the PRC govt has turned its back on a military conquest of Taiwan due to US policy.
That is, the firm US policy of sustaining the status quo - ie maintaining an alternative Chinese government on a pseudo-independent RoC/Taiwan, ever-ready to usurp the CCP on the mainland.

The PRC's policy towards Taiwan, factoring in the massive US military presence in East Asia, has been to relegate the PLA to a contingency plan should the RoC govt declare Taiwanese independence. That is, setting an intollerable human and economic price for any declaration of independence by Taiwan, through keeping the PLA on permanent standby for an invasion.

On a parallel front, the PRC has waged a very successful diplomatic campaign for international recognition of the CCP as the legitimate govt of China(Taiwan included).

Would you not agree that this strategy has been very successful in preventing an RoC declaration of independence despite many a hawkish politician's attempts?

Whilst at the same time promoting cross-straight economic and immigration integration, which opens the door to a diplomatic solution to the un-ended civil war while still giving the PLA time to reform, restructure and modernise into a force that could win a regional war against US forces should diplomatic re-unification fail.

A "lionine", NATO-Iraq style invasion of Taiwan would be catastrophic for Chinese prosperity as a whole. Straightforward logic makes that obvious.

But if you prefer the "paper dragon" moniker... By all means... I guess it beats the monotonous "China-threat" characterizations.
That PRC is an "aggressive, militarist, imperial etc etc threat" to peace and Asia at large, can it be denied? In every nook and corner, Communist China is posing a threat, or is swallowing up areas with military aggressive action.

Is 'swallowing up' of Taiwan by 'peaceful' means also not a sign of aggressive intent? Is hegemony in any form a peaceful intent?

Are Taiwanese Chinese people? If so, why do Han Chinese ancient books state Taiwan as Yizhou (barbarian's island)?

The truth is Taiwanese are of Taiwan origin, not Chinese.


More than 10,000 years ago, the ancestors of modern Taiwanese were found in Taiwan which at that time was all mountain, so the Taiwanese ancestors are called mountain people. In the glacial epoch, some of the ancestors were driven south by the cold weather via seabed (it was dry at that time) to the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia.


About 7,000~8,000 years ago, the weather was warm again, the sea was full of water, with ocean currents flowing from South-East Asia to Japan via Taiwan. Some of the ancestors were drifted back to Taiwan, their homeland. Of course, many of them might carry the blood from South-East Asia due to hybrid. These ancestors were called Plain People because the majority of them lived in the plain areas after arriving in Taiwan.

In 1624, the Dutch invaded Taiwan, according to Dutch records, there were about 100,000 Taiwanese surrendered. In 1661, Koxinga took place of the Dutch, about 130,000~200,000 Taiwanese surrendered. Among them, there were 12,727 household units, about 40,000~60,000 Taiwanese were forced to be converted into the Han (the Chinese). These aboriginal were the first ones who were forced to give up their Taiwanese nationalities. In 1683, Ching, the Manchus, replaced Koxinga. In 1730, a report made by a general of Ching that surrendered Taiwanese were at least 600,000.


In 1756, the annual report came out with 660,147 men and women surrendered, they were aboriginal. In 1782 the population that surrendered was up to 912,900 and then 2.54 million in 1893. This 2.54 million was mentioned in the 1993 Chinese White Paper which treated them as Chinese.
This was totally wrong, they were of Taiwanese origin.
They grew as time went by. Their population was 6 million in 1943, and 21.5 million in 2000, among them, some are the offspring of Dutch or Chinese hybrid.



The pure Chinese came in 1949~1954 period, when Chiang Kai-shek fled to Taiwan with 0.94 million Chinese refugees, among them, only 0.21 million were female. Therefore, even if all female Chinese refugees married with male refugees, they could only create 0.42 million pure Chinese couples producing pure Chinese offspring, the rest 0.52 million had to look for Taiwanese to marry, thus Taiwanese blood occupied more than half the so-called Chinese. The population of Taiwan in 2000 is about 23 million, the pure Chinese are not more than 5%, about 95% of Taiwan's population today carries aboriginal blood. Some have 100% aboriginal blood, some have 10%, mostly have more than 50%.


The land of Taiwan was developed by Taiwanese not by Chinese. According to Ching regulation, Chinese were not allowed to come to Taiwan freely. When they came to Taiwan, they were not permitted to trespass the reserved areas, because, Ching reserved almost all of Taiwan for the aboriginal. According to the government statistics, the total free area was only 71,150 hectares, which was less than 2 % of the area of Taiwan.


Further, the Chinese were not able to resist the diseases in Taiwan, 9 out of 10 died, according to government records. Under such condition, Chinese dared not stay in the rural area. If they did not stay in the country side, who would cultivate the land? Only Taiwanese!


What were the Chinese in Taiwan during the Ching Era?
The majority Chinese in Taiwan were rascals, being single through out their lives, according to the government files. Most of them hide themselves in the urban area, lived on committing crimes. When they passed away, nobody dared to bury them.


The Chinese who came to Taiwan to "cultivate" actually were to deprive not to cultivate. They got the pieces of land by application. Through personal relations with the government officials or by bribe, they got the permit to cultivate the land in the appointed areas, usually hundreds or thousands hectares, a hectare is about 2.4 acres. It took at least 5 man/year to clear a hectare, and took one man to do the farming year around. If the Chinese got a thousand-hectare permit, they had to invite at least 1,000 tenants to rent, cultivate and do the farming. The profit for these Chinese guys after paying taxes was US$300~400 per hectare per year. As said before, the Chinese were not disease resisting, so most of the tenants were Taiwanese. Therefore, the true picture was, Taiwanese cultivated and Chinese got the profit which could be amounted to US$300,000~400,000 per year per person if the Chinese got the thousand-hectare permit.


The reason why Taiwanese are documented as Chinese.
Since 1624, Taiwan has being ruled by foreign regimes, such as, the Dutch, Koxinga, Ching, Japan, the Republic of China. All of the regimes were trying to convert Taiwanese into their nationals. Ching was successful, so the influence passed down to this day. When Ching occupied Taiwan in 1683, it adopted a policy called "To Convert The Wild Barbarians into The Civilized Barbarians" and then "To Convert The Civilized Barbarians into The Han (the Chinese)." The contents of the policy included discriminative practices such as higher taxes, longer free community services, unfair judicial judgements, for those resisting the conversion. No Taiwanese could live without being converted into Chinese. In 1683, the Ching still documented most Taiwanese as Wild Barbarians; in 1756, the status of the Taiwanese was changed to Civilized Barbarians; in 1777, all became Chinese. These historical records also evidenced the process of the compulsory conversion of Taiwanese into Chinese.


Since 1777, Taiwanese were documented as Chinese throughout the period of the Ching occupation. In 1895 when Japanese came, they tried to convert Taiwanese into Japanese but failed. In 1945, the Republic of China took advantage of the achievements of Ching policy, documented Taiwanese as Chinese with no resist. So even today, the poor Taiwanese would rather call themselves Chinese instead of aboriginal, since the term "aboriginal" implies wild or civilized barbarians.
The True History of Taiwan

So, where is the requirement to 'peacefully' amalgamate people into the Han China (Communist China) who are not Han?

As far as the One China policy, nations are questioning the same, India included, now that the true hegemonic character of Communist China is slowly being recognised. The fact that the US is cocking the snook and arming ROC is hardly an indication of a successful campaign of the PRC, I will say.

A NATO like invasion on Taiwan will bring the world upon China like a ton of hot bricks and international outrage would make China a pariah. It is hardly a comfortable feeling for the money worshipping Chinese of Communist China. It would be catastrophic in fact for China.
 

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Well, we all know you have a defence minister friend and a good source from your mother's friend 's son.
Who are "WE" ?

Do you need me to remind you that?
You have just proved me right ...
read post#83
 
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How are "WE" ?



You have just proved me right ...
read post#83
Well, did you forget you confirm India has Mega ton nuke since your mother's friend's son told you so?
 
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That PRC is an "aggressive, militarist, imperial etc etc threat" to peace and Asia at large, can it be denied? In every nook and corner, Communist China is posing a threat, or is swallowing up areas with military aggressive action.

Is 'swallowing up' of Taiwan by 'peaceful' means also not a sign of aggressive intent? Is hegemony in any form a peaceful intent?

Are Taiwanese Chinese people? If so, why do Han Chinese ancient books state Taiwan as Yizhou (barbarian's island)?

The truth is Taiwanese are of Taiwan origin, not Chinese.


More than 10,000 years ago, the ancestors of modern Taiwanese were found in Taiwan which at that time was all mountain, so the Taiwanese ancestors are called mountain people. In the glacial epoch, some of the ancestors were driven south by the cold weather via seabed (it was dry at that time) to the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia.


About 7,000~8,000 years ago, the weather was warm again, the sea was full of water, with ocean currents flowing from South-East Asia to Japan via Taiwan. Some of the ancestors were drifted back to Taiwan, their homeland. Of course, many of them might carry the blood from South-East Asia due to hybrid. These ancestors were called Plain People because the majority of them lived in the plain areas after arriving in Taiwan.

In 1624, the Dutch invaded Taiwan, according to Dutch records, there were about 100,000 Taiwanese surrendered. In 1661, Koxinga took place of the Dutch, about 130,000~200,000 Taiwanese surrendered. Among them, there were 12,727 household units, about 40,000~60,000 Taiwanese were forced to be converted into the Han (the Chinese). These aboriginal were the first ones who were forced to give up their Taiwanese nationalities. In 1683, Ching, the Manchus, replaced Koxinga. In 1730, a report made by a general of Ching that surrendered Taiwanese were at least 600,000.


In 1756, the annual report came out with 660,147 men and women surrendered, they were aboriginal. In 1782 the population that surrendered was up to 912,900 and then 2.54 million in 1893. This 2.54 million was mentioned in the 1993 Chinese White Paper which treated them as Chinese.
This was totally wrong, they were of Taiwanese origin.
They grew as time went by. Their population was 6 million in 1943, and 21.5 million in 2000, among them, some are the offspring of Dutch or Chinese hybrid.



The pure Chinese came in 1949~1954 period, when Chiang Kai-shek fled to Taiwan with 0.94 million Chinese refugees, among them, only 0.21 million were female. Therefore, even if all female Chinese refugees married with male refugees, they could only create 0.42 million pure Chinese couples producing pure Chinese offspring, the rest 0.52 million had to look for Taiwanese to marry, thus Taiwanese blood occupied more than half the so-called Chinese. The population of Taiwan in 2000 is about 23 million, the pure Chinese are not more than 5%, about 95% of Taiwan's population today carries aboriginal blood. Some have 100% aboriginal blood, some have 10%, mostly have more than 50%.


The land of Taiwan was developed by Taiwanese not by Chinese. According to Ching regulation, Chinese were not allowed to come to Taiwan freely. When they came to Taiwan, they were not permitted to trespass the reserved areas, because, Ching reserved almost all of Taiwan for the aboriginal. According to the government statistics, the total free area was only 71,150 hectares, which was less than 2 % of the area of Taiwan.


Further, the Chinese were not able to resist the diseases in Taiwan, 9 out of 10 died, according to government records. Under such condition, Chinese dared not stay in the rural area. If they did not stay in the country side, who would cultivate the land? Only Taiwanese!


What were the Chinese in Taiwan during the Ching Era?
The majority Chinese in Taiwan were rascals, being single through out their lives, according to the government files. Most of them hide themselves in the urban area, lived on committing crimes. When they passed away, nobody dared to bury them.


The Chinese who came to Taiwan to "cultivate" actually were to deprive not to cultivate. They got the pieces of land by application. Through personal relations with the government officials or by bribe, they got the permit to cultivate the land in the appointed areas, usually hundreds or thousands hectares, a hectare is about 2.4 acres. It took at least 5 man/year to clear a hectare, and took one man to do the farming year around. If the Chinese got a thousand-hectare permit, they had to invite at least 1,000 tenants to rent, cultivate and do the farming. The profit for these Chinese guys after paying taxes was US$300~400 per hectare per year. As said before, the Chinese were not disease resisting, so most of the tenants were Taiwanese. Therefore, the true picture was, Taiwanese cultivated and Chinese got the profit which could be amounted to US$300,000~400,000 per year per person if the Chinese got the thousand-hectare permit.


The reason why Taiwanese are documented as Chinese.
Since 1624, Taiwan has being ruled by foreign regimes, such as, the Dutch, Koxinga, Ching, Japan, the Republic of China. All of the regimes were trying to convert Taiwanese into their nationals. Ching was successful, so the influence passed down to this day. When Ching occupied Taiwan in 1683, it adopted a policy called "To Convert The Wild Barbarians into The Civilized Barbarians" and then "To Convert The Civilized Barbarians into The Han (the Chinese)." The contents of the policy included discriminative practices such as higher taxes, longer free community services, unfair judicial judgements, for those resisting the conversion. No Taiwanese could live without being converted into Chinese. In 1683, the Ching still documented most Taiwanese as Wild Barbarians; in 1756, the status of the Taiwanese was changed to Civilized Barbarians; in 1777, all became Chinese. These historical records also evidenced the process of the compulsory conversion of Taiwanese into Chinese.


Since 1777, Taiwanese were documented as Chinese throughout the period of the Ching occupation. In 1895 when Japanese came, they tried to convert Taiwanese into Japanese but failed. In 1945, the Republic of China took advantage of the achievements of Ching policy, documented Taiwanese as Chinese with no resist. So even today, the poor Taiwanese would rather call themselves Chinese instead of aboriginal, since the term "aboriginal" implies wild or civilized barbarians.
The True History of Taiwan

So, where is the requirement to 'peacefully' amalgamate people into the Han China (Communist China) who are not Han?

As far as the One China policy, nations are questioning the same, India included, now that the true hegemonic character of Communist China is slowly being recognised. The fact that the US is cocking the snook and arming ROC is hardly an indication of a successful campaign of the PRC, I will say.

A NATO like invasion on Taiwan will bring the world upon China like a ton of hot bricks and international outrage would make China a pariah. It is hardly a comfortable feeling for the money worshipping Chinese of Communist China. It would be catastrophic in fact for China.



The Han Chinese are an ethnic group native to East Asia. They constitute approximately 92% of the population of Mainland China, 94% of the population of Hong Kong, 95% of the population of Macau, 98% of the population of Taiwan, 74% of the population of Singapore, 24.5% of the population of Malaysia, and about 19% of the entire global human population, making them the largest ethnic group in the world. There is considerable genetic, linguistic, cultural, and social diversity among the Han, mainly due to thousands of years of migration and assimilation of various regional ethnicities and tribes within China.[19] The Han Chinese are regarded as a subset of the Chinese nation (Zhonghua minzu). They sometimes refer to themselves as Yan Huang Zisun, meaning the "descendants of Yan[di] and Huang[di]".

Han Chinese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Well, did you forget you confirm India has Mega ton nuke since your mother's friend's son told you so?
I ask you again ... "Who are WE ? " in post#85
 
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The Han Chinese are an ethnic group native to East Asia. They constitute approximately 92% of the population of Mainland China, 94% of the population of Hong Kong, 95% of the population of Macau, 98% of the population of Taiwan, 74% of the population of Singapore, 24.5% of the population of Malaysia, and about 19% of the entire global human population, making them the largest ethnic group in the world. There is considerable genetic, linguistic, cultural, and social diversity among the Han, mainly due to thousands of years of migration and assimilation of various regional ethnicities and tribes within China.[19] The Han Chinese are regarded as a subset of the Chinese nation (Zhonghua minzu). They sometimes refer to themselves as Yan Huang Zisun, meaning the "descendants of Yan[di] and Huang[di]".

Han Chinese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
An ethnic group in a vast expanse as China cannot be 92% of the population.

It is a myth created through the vicious process of 'Sinicisation'.

Therefore, the figures are merely mythical, contrived and the result of an ethnic and cultural genocide.

Check this out

Han classification of non Han as barbarian Cooked and Raw
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most of members here

May be some new member do not know you , I can help them on that.
Speak for yourselves only !! not others...

By The way: Thay guy was my Mom's younger brother who worked with India's nuke program...
 

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An ethnic group in a vast expanse as China cannot be 92% of the population.

It is a myth created through the vicious process of 'Sinicisation'.

Therefore, the figures are merely mythical, contrived and the result of an ethnic and cultural genocide.
LOL, it is quoted from census.
 
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Speak for yourselves only !! not others...

By The way: Thay guy was my Mom's younger brother who worked with India's nuke program...
Nice! You did remember something.

How is your defence minister friend right now?
 

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I don't dispute that the majority of Taiwanese are Han Chinese. So what? The majority of Singaporeans are Han Chinese, too. Does the PRC want to annex Singapore, too. I'm of predominantly English descent and am considered an Anglo-Saxon, does this make me a British citizen? No, it does not. Many Americans are of German descent, does this make them German citizens? No, it does not. Why does being of Han Chinese descent mean that they must be PRC nationals? Very racially imperialist attitude to have.
 
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I don't dispute that the majority of Taiwanese are Han Chinese. So what? The majority of Singaporeans are Han Chinese, too. Does the PRC want to annex Singapore, too. I'm of predominantly English descent and am considered an Anglo-Saxon, does this make a British citizen? No, it does not. Many Americans are of German descent, does this make them German citizens? No, it does not. Why does being of Han Chinese descent mean that they must be PRC nationals? Very racially imperialist attitude to have.
The problem lies somewhere else... These Chinese communist with some new found wealth selling counterfeit / copied products are unable to handle the sudden change they are experiencing and their irrational and aggressive behaviour comes from their inability to move forward in 21st century from the deep humiliations they got repeatedly from Japanese"¦ These Chinese will issue threats to smaller countries on a daily basis...
 
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