A Paper Dragon: China's armed forces

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Taiwan has always been independent.

The Communists have bombarded Quemoy and the other islands of ROC which hug the Communist coast many a time, but failed to make any impression.
The shelling of Quemoy in August 1958 during the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis was a real fizzer. The First and Second Taiwan Crises were inconclusive and after the 1950s, the PRC attempted practically no military action against Taiwan. The PLA kept shelling Quemoy on alternate days with artillery shells containing propaganda leaflets until 1979, when the U.S. officially recognised the PRC. And shelling Quemoy with propaganda shells was the limit of the PRC's action against the ROC.

In contrast, in the 1950s and 60s, the ROC Army and Marines launched seaborne commando raids along the Fukien and Chekiang coasts and use to bring back Communist Chinese flags as trophies. I often miss the Cold War when actions like this were happening.
 
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The shelling of Quemoy in August 1958 during the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis was a real fizzer. The First and Second Taiwan Crises were inconclusive and after the 1950s, the PRC attempted practically no military action against Taiwan. The PLA kept shelling Quemoy on alternative days with artillery shells containing propaganda leaflets until 1979. And that was the limit of the PRC's action against the ROC.

In contrast, in the 1950s and 60s, the ROC Army and Marines launched seaborne commando raids along the Fukien and Chekiang coasts and use to bring back Communist Chinese flags as trophies.
China was and still is a Paper Tiger as far as Taiwan is concerned.
 

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US was and still is a Paper Tiger as far as North Korea is concerned.
Actually, it is up to the North Koreans to start another Korean war, not the Americans. They started the Korean War in June 1950. The U.S. doesn't start wars. And for all the idiotic bluster from Pyongyang, they have yet to start a war against the U.S. North Korea cannot even feed itself and is surviving on foreign aid. North Korea is no threat. Like the PRC, North Korea is full of propagandist blather. In real terms, there is very little the North Koreans could do to hurt the U.S.
 

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Adding Russia and North Korea in your combination makes nonsense.



Well, Hyena is only 1/3 size of a lion.
so, If USA is the lion, China will be a smaller lion (~60% of US).
India with 1/5 size of China should be a baboon(13 – 26 kg).



1. the game is between China and US, the situation right now is the best situation based on both sides' strengths.
2. If you can open a door by key , why open it by axe .
Your analogies are getting a bit crazy, so I'm going to stop commenting on them for now.
The original comment you made was "all of China's neighbors" which is why I mentioned North Korea and Russia. That is not a list of states hostile to China, which would be a much bigger list.

People often get way off topic on political forums, so lets try to get back to topic a bit.

One calling China a paper dragon is very unfair and bs propaganda. There are articles talking about the problems in the US army that are similarly alarmist, but they forget it is still by far the strongest military in the world. China and the USA are for the time being in a league of their own, though it is really more accurate to say the USA is it's own league and then there is a huge gap till China, and then there is a huge gap from China to the 3rd most powerful nation. Personally I feel like China need only worry about the USA, because if it can ever beat the USA no one will oppose it, and until it can beat the USA, the USA will always push it down. China's major weakness has always been a lack of allies. I'm curious how the Chinese see that problem and if they have any plans to tackle that problem. China + Russia will be too weak to oppose USA + Europe/NATO. Japan and China are too hostile. So I'm really curious why the Chinese seem so hostile to India. From where I'm sitting, the Chinese need India a lot more than India needs China. Maybe with India on China's side, China + Russia + India might have a chance against the Western world order. Your thoughts?
 

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Actually, it is up to the North Koreans to start another Korean war, not the Americans. They started the Korean War in June 1950. The U.S. doesn't start wars. And for all the idiotic bluster from Pyongyang, they have yet to start a war against the U.S. North Korea cannot even feed itself and is surviving on foreign aid. North Korea is no threat. Like the PRC, North Korea is full of propagandist blather.
Well, US can only kill Kim in hollywood.
 
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From history(Chinese or any other country's) , we know the industrial strength is the most important determinant of war result.
Your so called "industry" which is actually EXPORT FACTORIES can be taken down.There are many ghost towns already and no takers.

The so called export factories can be shifted to other APAC countries and actually happening due to growing arrogance of Han Chinese since they threaten almost all of it's neighbors daily.

You still didn't answer what Japan and Vietnam can do to you, leave alone India... LEARN CHINESE HISTORY. :lol:
 

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Your so called "industry" which is actually EXPORT FACTORIES can be taken down.There are many ghost towns already and no takers.

The so called export factories can be shifted to other APAC countries and actually happening due to growing arrogance of Han Chinese since they threaten almost all of it's neighbors daily.

You still didn't answer what Japan and Vietnam can do to you, leave alone India... LEARN CHINESE HISTORY. :lol:
1. Export is just 26% of China's GDP.
Exports of goods and services (% of GDP) | Data | Table

2. Japan's industrial strength is about 10 times of China in 1937. ( Thanks to UK and US make it a representative in Asia to keep China and Russia in check)
Not mention that US keep supply oil and steel to Japan until 1941 , stopped because of Japan signed Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact ( April 13, 1941).

"One should keep in mind that it was in fact Japan, not China, that had benefited from these countries' support. Japan's primary source of raw materials like petroleum and scrap iron for its war in China, and of high-end technology like machine tools was the United States. In 1938 the United States (57.1 per cent), the United Kingdom and its empire (Malaya, Canada, India, Australia, 20.7 per cent), and the Dutch and Dutch East Indies (8.6 per cent) supplied 86.4 per cent of Japan's imported war materials. The United States produced 60% of the world's oil; the Dutch East Indies less than 10%; 55% of Japan's oil came from the United States, 14% from the Soviet Union, and 10% from the Dutch Indies. I have a photograph of a dinner party held on December 7, 1939, at the Duquesne Club in Pittsburgh, at which George T. Ladd, Chairman of United Engineering Foundry Company, entertained Colonel S. Atsumi of the Imperial Japanese Army and his entourage. UEF had built a factory to produce rolling mill machinery in Japan in 1938."
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Richard_J_-Smethurst/3825



3. Vietnam lost most of its industrial base and mines during the China - Vietnam war, and it still one of the most poorest country in Asia( better than India).

(Vietnam located most of its firms in Chinese-vietnamese border to avoid US bombing.)
 
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US was and still is a Paper Tiger as far as North Korea is concerned.
That paper tiger called USA saved your A$$ in 2nd world war !! Else you would be speaking Japanese today...
 
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That paper tiger called USA saved your A$$ in 2nd world war !! Else you would be speaking Japanese today...
US still contains Japan or else Japan is still happy to teach Chinese a lesson again. :japan:

If China keeps it's arrogance like this US would let Japan what they like to do with China.
 

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US still contains Japan or else Japan is still happy to teach Chinese a lesson again. :japan:

If China keeps it's arrogance like this US would let Japan what they like to do with China.
China was US's ally at 1937 and ally of US mean can be trade by US freely.

Japan now is in the position of China in 1937.

US deindustrialized Japan in many sectors , like they did in China in 1930's.
 
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That did not change the fact US support Japan Invade China. .
Yes initially USA and other western countries helped Japan extensively before Japan came back to bite them...


Without US and UK , Japan should not able to start any war.
If Japanese has not bombed the Pearl Harbour the map of Asia would have been different...

But that does not discount the fact it was the USA's relentless attack on Imperial Japan that brought them to their knees... The hundred of thousand of US lives lost to save the other Asian lives...

There are many airfields in India itself that was used by Americans to bomb the Japanese militaries in China...China or in that matter other Asian countries can not discount the American contribution to defeat Japanese...
 
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