A new aircraft model spotted in china

[Drsomnath999]

I GOT THIS PICS FROM ANOTHER FORUM .i THOUGHT TO POST IT HERE
MAY BE IT'S CHINA'S J21 FIGHTER??

 

[Zebra]

J-21
- Last Updated 4/25/12

A scale-down model (F-60) of J-21 was unveiled by the 601 Institute at the first International UAV Innovation Grand Prix held in Beijing in September 2011.

It was first rumored in April 2011 that 601/SAC are developing a 4th generation medium multi-role stealth fighter as J-21 which would complement the heavier J-20 (see above). The aircraft has a conventional design featuring twin engines and DSIs similar to both American F-22 and F-35.

The prototype could initially be powered by the 8.5t class WS-13A turbofan but later by the new 9.5t class "medium thrust" engine (WS-13B/WS-12?). The aircraft will also feature an internal weapon bay inside its belly housing PL-10, PL-12 and PL-15 AAMs. However due to its relatively small size and lower engine thrust compared to J-20, J-21 might suffer from either a limited internal payload or a shorter combat radius.

A full-scale metal model was probably built in early 2011. The first prototype has been under construction since late 2011. First flight was projected to be in September 2012. J-21 (dubbed AMF/Advanced Multi-role Fighter/FC-2?) is expected to be promoted at the international market as a low-cost alternative to American F-35.

Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force

 

[Armand2REP]

It is probably one of the mock-ups. No way would you transport a real plane that way.

 

[nimo_cn]

It is probably one of the mock-ups. No way would you transport a real plane that way.

I certainly see some security guards and an Audi with a white license plate in the picture, you claimed to have lived in China, then you must understand what a white license plate means.

 

[Armand2REP]

I certainly see some security guards and an Audi with a white license plate in the picture, you claimed to have lived in China, then you must understand what a white license plate means.

You claim to live in China, you know white license plates are forged by the millions. If you think secret 5th gen prototypes are going to be improperly loaded on a truck bed in an open parking lot with a few low level security then you go ahead and think that.

 

[nimo_cn]

You claim to live in China, you know white license plates are forged by the millions. If you think secret 5th gen prototypes are going to be improperly loaded on a truck bed in an open parking lot with a few low level security then you go ahead and think that.

Forged by millions? Are you ----ing kidding me? How many cars are there in China?

And you must haven't noticed the police vehicle in the left the picture, and the security guards I was refering to in my last post are actual policemen. Do you really expect me to believe that an Audi with a forged white license plate dares show up in front of a group of policemen? Or you are just resorting to sophistry and refusing to admit your ignorance?

 

[Armand2REP]

100m cars with a few percent having fake license plates = millions. You asked if i know what white license plates mean... most likely someone faking one so police won't write a ticket.

 

[Ray]

I certainly see some security guards and an Audi with a white license plate in the picture, you claimed to have lived in China, then you must understand what a white license plate means.

What does white number plates means?

Public Security Department or CCP hot shots?

 

[Ray]

This will indicate that military number plates are being faked in China.


Caught: Fake Chinese Military Vehicle License Plates

Chinese military truly is frugal, 8 cars, 1 license plate!

for 6 more cars:


Caught: Fake Chinese Military Vehicle License Plates – chinaSMACK

 

[Ray]

This is the comment

自宫主人:

This is just a harmonious society.

物质界第1T:

5 series BMW is too shabby, at least have a 7 series.

puck:

The vehicle plates have been unified too.

面条细腿:

All of this is [was purchased with] their own money, not eligible for government reimbursement~couldn't possibly be taxpayers' money"¦

lifeunbox:

The People's Liberation Army is of course for the people, withut good weapons, how could they go up against the people? Oops, I misspoke, I meant to protect the people, right?

格里高里:

五美分 [wu mei fen, "five American cents"], spouting before reading the topic title clearly?

What does this post show?

Fake military vehicle license plates.

Turns out that of the luxurious military plate cars, many are fake!

可大鸭:

How do you know they are fake? Are the licenses sold by you?

零犀一度:

Does the military need these kind of cars?

That is all us ordinary common people's blood and sweat money.

格里高里:

Fake military number plates!

http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/caught-fake-chinese-military-vehicle-license-plates.html

 

[Ray]

Therefore, even if one lives in China, one may not be aware of what is the truth!

Or one does not wish to admit the truth.

Your pick!

 

[Armand2REP]

This picture is EPIC!

 

[Armand2REP]

What does white number plates means?

Public Security Department or CCP hot shots?

It is military license plate.

 

[tony4562]

The purported aircraft shown in the picture is most likeloy just a mock-up or even just a model. However, Shenyang Air Co being the largest and also the oldest fighter jet maker in China (yes it is Shenyang not Chengdu), one has to assume that something got be going on over there.

 

[Armand2REP]

Shenyang is actually a flop compared to Chengdu so maybe nothing is going on.

 

[agentperry]

is it this easy to paparazzi chinese military secret. then we dont need expensive sats just few good cameras and hired tibetean( they may work for free as well)

 

[nimo_cn]

Police vehicle, policemen guarding the plane, Audi with a military plate, military cover-up of the plane, my guess is it is a real thing.

Feel free to think otherwise just because there is a possibilty that the plate is fake.

 

[tony4562]

Shenyang is actually a flop compared to Chengdu so maybe nothing is going on.

Chengdu has got more int'l name recognition due to all the publicity associated with the J10 and J20 projects. Being mainly a dual-engine fighter jet maker Shenyang has not had as much commerical success or recognition outside China, but Shenyang is still a solid company with longer history, and more workforce. Also in china its never such that winner takes all. All the goodies (government contracts) are always distributed equally among the big players. Now among the big 3 military aircraft makers 2 have a known future project to work with (Chengdu J20, Xian 200ton class transporter), thus it is unlikely that Shenyang alone will sit idle with just Su27/J11 derivatives. Thats not how things work in China.

 

[venkat]

its an L-15 trainer as per some chinese blogs!!!!

 

[Armand2REP]

Chengdu has got more int'l name recognition due to all the publicity associated with the J10 and J20 projects. Being mainly a dual-engine fighter jet maker Shenyang has not had as much commerical success or recognition outside China, but Shenyang is still a solid company with longer history, and more workforce. Also in china its never such that winner takes all. All the goodies (government contracts) are always distributed equally among the big players. Now among the big 3 military aircraft makers 2 have a known future project to work with (Chengdu J20, Xian 200ton class transporter), thus it is unlikely that Shenyang alone will sit idle with just Su27/J11 derivatives. Thats not how things work in China.

Shenyang has a pretty terrible track record when it comes to design. J-11 and its derivatives are clones of Flankers which the Russians set up license production for. The only thing they didn't have were engines and radar so most things were already given to them. Chengdu has come out with JF-17, J-10 and J-20 which are all either in mass production or active R&D. Call them copies of something but they are far more original than what Shenyang comes up with. You forget Hongdu which is actually China's most successful aviation exporter with the K-8 and soon the L-15. While Shenyang production sits idle the other aviation companies surge ahead. Time to let that loser die.