A Chinese joke called ADIZ

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First, ADIZ is not air sovereignty space, you can't shoot anyone down in this area. The aim of setting up ADIZ is to provide a buff zone for your air defence system.

Secondly, Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese and of course American set up their ADIZ for over 44 years in the same area, they didn't shoot anyone down even though hundreds of Chinese and Russian fighters come in every year!
You miss the point. An ADIZ that requires self identification of all aircraft is all very well, but some aircraft may not identify themselves. That means that there will be a cat and mouse game being played where aircraft will deliberately intrude just to ping Chinese defences. The PLAAF will have to intercept and interrogate these aircraft every time that happens to demonstrate that it is capable and willing to do that. What is the point of announcing a huge ADIZ area if all the Chinese want to do is make someone else do the job of identifying themselves and announcing themselves. What is China going to do about it for those who do not announce and identify themselves? If the aircraft still does not comply the PLAAF must be able to detect it, warn it and if necessary, be wiling to shoot it down.

If the PLAAF does not do that it could mean that
1. It is incapable
2. Unwilling, or
3. Deliberately flouting its own rules


I asked the area of the ADIZ claimed by the communist Chinese. I suppose you will now hide behind your usual burqa and ask me to "do research" or "consult Google" as a way of covering up your own inability to answer a straight question.
 

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Recent multiple spams, this poster wodoo1, and recent other attacks on DFI demonstrates that what is discussed on this forum, especially in regards to China, is painful to Chinese, who cannot refute the truth about PRC and CCP. For all their posturing, and lectures on proper debate from t_co, Chinese are reduced to the actions of little spoiled children.
Well, this must be t_co interlocuting ;)
 

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>>If the PLAAF does not do that it could mean that
1. It is incapable <-- Wrong
2. Unwilling, or <-- Yes, Chinese don't want to challenge US position. But China will force Japan do it. China will escort Japanese flights first
3. Deliberately flouting its own rules <-- It is impossible. China may want Japan and US flout Chinese rules, then US and Japan cannot blame Chinese flight and carrier invading their ADIZs.

When China has multiple carries, he will define dynamic ADIZs based on locations of carries. A circle of 100KM-200KM for each carrier.
 
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>>If the PLAAF does not do that it could mean that
1. It is incapable <-- Wrong
2. Unwilling, or <-- Yes, Chinese don't want to challenge US position. But China will force Japan do it. China will escort Japanese flights first
3. Deliberately flouting its own rules <-- It is impossible. China may want Japan and US flout Chinese rules, then US and Japan cannot blame Chinese flight and carrier invading their ADIZs.
xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx Do some research before posting and if you still think you are right post relevant reasons.

Mod: Pruned. Language issues.
 

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We American never look down our competitor. That's why we want China to be G2
 

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China's military ratcheted up tensions on Tuesday over its disputed East China Sea air defense zone by threatening military action against Japan and saying it would enforce new aircraft controls.

Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman Geng Yangsheng accused Japan in a statement of "making trouble" and he warned Chinese military aircraft would enforce the newly imposed air defense identification zone, or ADIZ.

"Japan's actions have seriously harmed China's legitimate rights and security interests, and undermined the peace and stability in East Asia," Geng said through the official Xinhua news agency. "China has to take necessary reactions."

Geng listed a series of actions by Japan he said had increased tensions, including Tokyo's frequent dispatch of ships and aircraft to areas near the disputed Senkaku islands, threats to shoot down Chinese drones, and overall escalation of regional tensions.

Without mentioning the United States, Geng also said other countries must "correct wrong remarks and wrongdoings," he said.
China Threatens Japan Ahead of Biden Trip | Washington Free Beacon

Chinese know Biden is an incompetent clown so they choose the time to act out their aggression.
 

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When China has multiple carries, he will define dynamic ADIZs based on locations of carries. A circle of 100KM-200KM for each carrier.
100-200 km is well within the range of even half assed antiship missiles to take out the carrier. A carrier should be able to maintain a 500 km sterile zone. Besides wtf is the use of an aircraft carrier if it stays so close to the mainland?

In any case with the mainland within 500 km land based radars and patrolling aircraft should be able to do it - but that is where the total area of the zone becomes relevant. How many aircraft will the radars and AWACS aircraft be able to track over the entire zone? How many AWACS can be in the air 24x7 to cover the whole area (what is the area of the ADIZ??) What would be the response time for interception? Naturally, any adversary with half a brain would deliberately probe Chinese defences regularly.
 
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It isn't in a war. It is better than nothing for the safety of carrier.

I don't think Chinese expected to get the following result so quick. But I still believe that Chinese won't threaten our US fleets even we break their rules. Chinese is tarrgeting Japan only. Washington should use it to bargain with Chinese. Nothing should be easy to get. I don't know I and Obama who is more stupid.

Washington Asks US Carriers To Comply With China's Air Defense Zone Rules
Washington Asks US Carriers To Comply With China's Air Defense Zone Rules
 
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Shame on US government. He is weaker than your guys on a joke.I want to be an Indian now. It is better to ask the help from IAF to drive the stealth LCA in joke ADIZ. I don't think Chinese can find it
 
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It isn't in a war. It is better than nothing for the safety of carrier.

I don't think Chinese expected to get the following result so quick. But I still believe that Chinese won't threaten our US fleets even we break their rules. Chinese is tarrgeting Japan only. Washington should use it to bargain with Chinese. Nothing should be easy to get. I don't know I and Obama who is more stupid.

Washington Asks US Carriers To Comply With China's Air Defense Zone Rules
Washington Asks US Carriers To Comply With China's Air Defense Zone Rules
Hey Woodoo1.........your Chinese accent is too apparent even in the way you write dude.
You think that people here on DFI can't see that.
 

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Did I ? I felt it is curry.
Why some many Indian like to smell me? I told you I am American citizen
 
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It isn't in a war. It is better than nothing for the safety of carrier.

I don't think Chinese expected to get the following result so quick. But I still believe that Chinese won't threaten our US fleets even we break their rules. Chinese is tarrgeting Japan only. Washington should use it to bargain with Chinese. Nothing should be easy to get. I don't know I and Obama who is more stupid.

Washington Asks US Carriers To Comply With China's Air Defense Zone Rules
Washington Asks US Carriers To Comply With China's Air Defense Zone Rules
Hey, do you know the difference between both the carriers marked in red ???
 

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There are still Chinese around in this dump?
cir ↑
@cir, explains why wodoo1 has also stopped posting :p :lol:
 
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There are still Chinese around in this dump?

It's better leaving Indians masturbating。
The come in hordes.

Are you blind?

I see that you have hung your Boots & returning to the real dump where you belong!
 

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You miss the point. An ADIZ that requires self identification of all aircraft is all very well, but some aircraft may not identify themselves. That means that there will be a cat and mouse game being played where aircraft will deliberately intrude just to ping Chinese defences. The PLAAF will have to intercept and interrogate these aircraft every time that happens to demonstrate that it is capable and willing to do that. What is the point of announcing a huge ADIZ area if all the Chinese want to do is make someone else do the job of identifying themselves and announcing themselves. What is China going to do about it for those who do not announce and identify themselves? If the aircraft still does not comply the PLAAF must be able to detect it, warn it and if necessary, be wiling to shoot it down.

If the PLAAF does not do that it could mean that
1. It is incapable
2. Unwilling, or
3. Deliberately flouting its own rules


I asked the area of the ADIZ claimed by the communist Chinese. I suppose you will now hide behind your usual burqa and ask me to "do research" or "consult Google" as a way of covering up your own inability to answer a straight question.
You mean the action like this?

PressDisplay.com

and this?

PressTV - China chases US, Japanese planes in air zone
 

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The first link is non relevant - I see dozens of unrelated news items.

The second link indicates exactly what I said;
In defiance of Beijing's move, Japan and South Korea also flew military aircraft through the zone on Thursday while Washington sent two unarmed bombers into the airspace earlier this week. None of those aircraft informed Beijing.
The link also says Chinese planes "chased them" not "chased them away". How about a photo like the one below as proof?
 

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The first link is non relevant - I see dozens of unrelated news items.

The second link indicates exactly what I said;


The link also says Chinese planes "chased them" not "chased them away". How about a photo like the one below as proof?
For your own knowledge again, it is Air Defence Identification Zone not Chinese air space, everyone has the right to fly within it as much as Chinese fighter flying in Japanese air defence identification zone for past several years. The best that Chinese or Japanese can do is to send a military plane following the plane who refuse to identify itself and get ready to shoot it down at the moment it enters Chinese/Japanese air space.
 

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