A bugle call as India’s army goes rolling along in Delhi

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  1. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    A bugle call as India’s army goes rolling along in Delhi | GulfNews.com
     
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    This is Kuldip Nayar's extremely humble opinion. I am going to focus on Siachen.

    Ok, now let's put a name to these experts.
    Who are these persons? I really want to know. Thereafter, I would like to know what they have presented as their justification.

    Till then, Siachen is, IMHO, important.
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    This so called group of retired persons constituted of people like Ajay Shukla and Kanwal who have not even seen Ladakh region leave alone serving in Siachin, The back channel non governmental group to talk on Siachin was organises and funded by a study group based in USA but allegedly funded by ISI . They had almost given Siachin on platter to Pakis through demilitarisation proposals but IA perhaps saw through their game.

    One does not have to guess that Kuldeep Nayar is a major player in that group.

    Kuldeep Nayar keeps good relations with the brass and others in Pakistan and is well known backdoor channel to Pakistan. His antipathy for Armed Forces in India is well known and well established. He is even flogging a dead horse like " Coup by General VK Singh", a figment of imagination of PMO, Chhidu and Shekhar Gupta who in fact should be tried in the country for Coup-mongering.

    AFSPA in J&K is a national issue, relates to Security of J&K and Army does have a stake in that besides the Farooqs and Abdullahas of India or Pakistan.

    See through how Kuldeep Nayar (Punjabi Nayar of Jhappi and Puppi type) games of pressurising the Army to attain his groups objectives on Siachin.

    Paid for journalism in India is very common practice by now.
     
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    Kuldip Nayar has his roots in Pakistan. Though atrocities were heaped on almost all Hindus who migrated to India after partition, once they get old & are on the verge of getting fossilized they yearn for their place of birth (nothing wrong with such nostalgia), but using the fair name of the Army to score journalistic brownie points a strict 'No'. He is at liberty in his old age to migrate ,ask for Paki citizenship & settle there to await death.

    Army is apolitical, good for India. Otherwise the prospects will wet the adult diapers of many in power.
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    It is true that Army should not have undue influence on issues of governance .....

    But The moment this journalist elaborates on what is he implying by "governance" meaning " stationing of troops at the Siachin Glacier" the cat is out of bag. Army as an institution of this so called "governance" has stakes in Siachin and it must have a say on the matter. Similarly, Army does have a stake in "AFSPA" in J&K, and Army must have a say in this.

    The final decision is always political but to suggest that Indian Army should be an Army of robots and slaves and not a "stake holder" as an institution contributing to "governance " is being naïve at best.
     
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  7. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Not only Kuldip Nayyar, but also the Gah man have roots in Pakistan and are yearning for the Green Green Grass of Home!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Let us analyse this article

    Kuldip Nayyar, the Wagah candle lighter, has good reasons to lament. He is but a compromised person with personal yearning for Home Sweet Home.

    The military has no interest in governance. All it is asking that they should not become sacrificial goats that they have been ever since Independence because of weak kneed vision devoid politicians, who have no understanding of Strategy.

    Old Anthony must not be complacent that he can ‘copy paste’ the political social engineering as the Gospel on the Armed Forces of caste and religion.

    The manner in which the Govt is de-fanging and laying bare the Armed Forces, with all halt to modernisation or even replacing obsolescent weapons and system or even not giving the basic like ammunition, by crass stupidity in the name of honesty is causing alarm within the Armed Forces. The Armed Forces is ready to lay down their lives for the Nation, but not as sacrificial goats. Everyone values his life and cannot cast it just to feed fat the stupidity of those who understand so little about the Nation and its security. And today’s Armed Forces are clear about their rights as citizens and are aware how the politicians with deep pockets are denying them the right to be equipped to do their job and instead leaving helpless as the sacrificial goat in Ramadan.

     
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    If people like Mr.Nayyar were made to run this country, we would have given each of the vital territories to our fine neighbours one by one.

    Not only that, there would be a celebration day every year to commemorate such occassions. Also we would be made to thank our neighbours for their generosity and openness to accept such gifts.

    Such articles always tend to demonize Indian armed forces and their difficult work of protecting territorial integrity by trying to subtly malign ther image. Certainly makes one wonder about who or what vested interests encourage such writers to come up with this crap.
     
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    Such articles befool the Nation and that is worse!

    The manner in which the brainless 'coup by two units' wonder, Shekhar Gupta, this coot Nayyar, Prasant Pooshan and Kejriwal (not renewing the lease for the File Firing Range at Tosha Maidan) and the allegation of For Foundation, which is a know CIA front, funding is indeed making me wonder as to what is up!

    Indeed, if there was a coup attempt, the Nation need to know the details.

    If there was such a conspiracy, let the highest heads roll.

    And if it was a lie, then Shekhar Gupta and those who told him should be hung by the nearest lamp post after a fair trial!
     
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    Kuldip Nayar & his ilk are part of the, jhanghi club ( euphemism for jhang mandiala in Paki land ) from where this group migrated. Its a cosy club which meets in India Habitat Centre & talks about good old days in Pak. They are the brains behind Aman ki Aasha.
     
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    The idea of coup did not crop up suddenly but was deliberately propped up and allowed to linger by a certain category of people. I distinctly remember Ajay Shukla writing in his blog that Gen VK Singh was amassing and concentrating Rajput Regiment officers around Delhi on key posts.

    That might have been true but what actually Shukla was suggesting at that troubled times was something else. Otherwise which chief including Joshi did not post officers of their regiment on favourable posts around Delhi ?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    All have their acolytes around.

    VK Singh is not the only one.

    Ajai Shukla likes to keep himself current by sensational/ controversial news and pretends to be an 'expert'.
     
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    Sir,

    Kuldip Nayar is a reptile, a defected Indian Hindu who has eaten so many Pakistani breads that he can live prosperous and while basking with full stomach, he dreams of returning Pakistani favours by talking for them.

    Only a high school dropout can make things that simple like he is making, that institutions like Indian Army will simply say 'yes' to everything and will never have their own opinion on how matters of strategic importance and national security can be handled. Trolls like Kuldeep Nayars have nothing on stakes to pledge before this nation so he can simply rant whatever he wants and enjoy the favours he gets from Pakistan and India (being citizen of this country).

    The discussion on Siachin needs a dedicated thread and we at DFI have few already. The so called brass he is talking about (the one pmaitra pointed out) has been exposed by few posters @ BR website. Even I can make many fair points on why IA should guard Siachin but one I would like to mention here is that like any nation we have our own way of thinking, which we have inherited from our history, that mind sets may be not appeal few outsiders and Pakistanis for obvious reasons but for us we are going to stick with them for the time being, regardless of whatever cost we may pay. And that mind-set is of defending out lands from sneaky cowards who have been infiltrating our borders from west and north since time immemorial. After independence our frontiers may have receded back but our policy makers have always invested resources to defend it.

    I remember a Pakistani think tank saying that India has somewhat diluted the curse of being invaded from these frontiers by taking unprecedented measures of guarding it, but Pakistan living in its own fantasy world of Muslim brotherhood and strategic assets has been tormented by them even today.
     
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    "obscures reason, intensifies emotions and makes it easier for demagogic politicians to mobilize the public on behalf of the policies they want to pursue"

    The quote is from the below article:
    Terrorized by 'War on Terror'
     

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