A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee

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    http://www.business-standard.com/article/opinion/a-big-step-forward-113120201590_1.html
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    It seems some one who is close to UPA is due for promotion to COAS and so this sudden change to alter the seniority criteria.
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    Five star or Four its does not matter!( COCSC)

    The person should have a mind of his own, tempered by years of training,

    a vision for the Armed Forces & the Nation,

    man of impeccable integrity, not too fond of the media ( no unnecessary sound bytes),

    not burdened by baggage of the past, with exceptionally high moral courage

    and as a 'cherry topping ' a regular guy with an ability to laugh at himself ( sense of humour, he will definitely need, when surrounded by scoundrels, jokers, power brokers, sycophants, half cocked pseudo intellectuals, some intelligentsia, largely bored higher ups who think 'Fauj' is an encumbrance and experienced senior officers a distraction from a politicians pursuit of wealth, power & influence.

    Is it asking for too much ?
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    But, Gen Bikram Singh shall retire Aug/ Sep 2014. Does being promoted to CoSC means that he will get a extension?

    After ACM Browne retires this Dec, Gen Singh would have taken over the CoSC, as he is the senior among the three service chiefs.

    So, what shall be the procedure to make CoSC a permanent post?
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    @pkroyal, @Ray


    CoSC - is that equivalent to Field Marshal position or something similar ?
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    Four Star is a Full General like the COAS.

    As per the newspaper, if it comes through it will be a Four Star.

    Five Star is a Field Marshall.

    A little bird high up in Lutyens told me that the bureaucracy is fitting tooth and nail against it, while some retired officers are keen that it comes through.
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    CoSC will not be a Field Marshall. It will be an advisory/admin role IMO. No operational control over the forces. I think will report direct to the PM and not Raksha Mantri. No age to retire. Fixed 2 year tenure.

    Something like US Chairman of Joint Chiefs
     
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    A Field Marshall (FM)commands a "field Army" ( Nazi Germany had 26 at one time, with an exception like Kietel who while on Hitler's staff was a Field Marshall.

    Since we are dealing with a tri -service arrangement & FM is an army rank they will go in for Chairman or some similar arrangement.( four star for now)

    The Govt of the day would be scared to its inner- wear if it were to amalgamate all three services and create a super-boss, five star rank officer as a one point advisor to PM/ RM on matters of National security. We( read the Govt) are not ready as yet, eventually this has to happen for better synergy.
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    A Field Marshall (FM)commands a "field Army" ( Nazi Germany had 26 at one time, with an exception like Kietel who while on Hitler's staff was a Field Marshall.

    Since we are dealing with a tri -service arrangement & FM is an army rank they will go in for Chairman or some similar arrangement.( four star for now)

    The Govt of the day would be scared to its inner- wear if it were to amalgamate all three services and create a super-boss, five star rank officer as a one point advisor to PM/ RM on matters of National security. We( read the Govt) is not ready as yet, eventually this has to happen for better synergy.
     
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    with the promotion of Gen Bikram Singh, Sikhs in India wud have occupied each and every highest position in govt from President to CoSC. Maybe that is why the delay to let Adm Joshi retire first and than create the post. Most likely this alteration of seniority will bring another sikh as COAS. balle balle.
     
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    From the politicians and babu's in India, yes. But may be not from the armed forces.!
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    If you are aware of this politics, can you explain why bureaucrats would not want this to happen? I mean what have they go to lose CoSC and how are they happier with the current situation. Yes, I have read the Indian order of precedence and I gather only the cabinet secretary is of a higher precedence. All the other secretaries are below the chiefs.
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    Right now the Defence Secretary is the one who is the head of the conduit.

    So they don't want to lose this facility.
     
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    Re: A big step forward Permanent chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Commi

    Check today's papers.

    Proposal scuttled.



    Govt keeps General No.1 in cold storage, explores 'stop-gap post'
    MoD itself, in its comments to the NSCS, has rejected almost all crucial recommendations of the taskforce like the post of a permanent CoSC chairman (with a fixed two-year term instead of the existing "rotational" arrangement among the three chiefs) or "cross-staffing" (posting military officers to MoD to bridge the civil-military disconnect), as was first reported by TOI in June.
    Govt keeps General No.1 in cold storage, explores 'stop-gap post' - The Times of India
     
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    Gen Bikram Singh to be the new Chairman, COSC

    Army Chief Gen Bikram Singh has been appointed as the new Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee to succeed IAF Chief NAK Browne, who is superannuating on December 31.

    The official communication for the appointment of Gen Singh as the new Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee has been issued, Ministry officials said here.

    The Chairman, COSC is the senior-most officer of the three Services and is in-charge for looking after the joint issues related to them. The senior-most of the three Services chiefs takes over the post.

    Gen Singh is also a frontrunner in the race for being appointed as the Permanent, Chairman Chiefs of Staff Committee -- a post which has been recommended by the Naresh Chandra Committee for reforms in the higher defence management.

    The National Security Council Secretariat is expected to prepare proposals for the appointment of a four-star general to head the tri-services organisation.

    However, the Defence Ministry has made it clear that it would like to create such a post only after discussions with other political parties and try to evolve a consensus on it.

    The Defence Ministry is also of the view that there should be no haste in taking decision on a matter which will result in bringing about a major change in the military structures.
     
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    General Bikram Singh takes over as most senior military chief - The Times of India

    NEW DELHI: Army chief General Bikram Singh on Monday took over as the new chairman of the chiefs of staff committee (CoSC) from Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne, who hangs his boots on Tuesday. Air Marshal Arup Raha, in turn, will replace ACM Browne as the next IAF chief.

    As the CoSC chairman, ACM Browne pushed several tri-Service initiatives including the critical one for creation of three new joint commands for space, cyber and special forces. He also asked the government to give "full representation" to the military on the 7th Central Pay Commission as well as resolve pending issues like rank pay.

    Gen Singh, in his new role as the CoSC chairman, will also have to ensure synergy among the three Services which often pull in different directions on doctrinal, planning, policy and operational issues. Of the particular significance will be the three new commands, considered crucial for deploying capabilities for conventional as well asymmetric warfare in a unified manner, which are now awaiting the final government nod.

    India as of now has only two unified commands, the Andaman and Nicobar Island regional command and the Strategic Forces Command to handle nuclear weapons, as also an integrated defence staff set-up.

    Successive governments have also dragged their feet in creating the post of a General No. 1, a tri-Service military chief, either in the shape of a chief of defence staff (CDS) or a permanent chairman of the CoSC.

    The existing CoSC comprises the Army, Navy and IAF chiefs, with the senior-most of them acting as the "rotational" chairman till he retires. A permanent chairman, with a fixed two-year tenure, would mean a fourth four-star general in the CoSC as the "first among equals".

    Despite being strongly recommended by the GoM report on `Reforming the national security system' in 2001 after the Kargil conflict, the CDS post has been kept in cold storage. Similarly, the government has not moved towards appointing a permanent CoSC chairman, which was recommended by the 14-member Naresh Chandra Taskforce in its report submitted to PM Manmohan Singh in May 2012, and later endorsed by the three Services.

    The defence ministry has also rejected the need for "cross-staffing", or the posting of military officers to MoD to bridge the civil-military disconnect, holding that there were institutional mechanisms in place to ensure "joint consultations" as well as provide "integrated advise" to the defence minister.
     

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