84 secret: India sought UK help in Army action at Golden Temple

[Blackwater]

Intelligence officers of other countries roaming around India and gathering intelligence is one thing and implying that such officers were roaming because they were asked for by GoI is another thing.

It is duty of raw to know what intelligence officers of other countries are doing, keeping tabs on them is again one thing and implying that they are in bed together is another thing.

Another important point, massive funding for terrorists were coming from uk itself so it is not out of the ordinary for some intelligence sharing because it happens between all countries and is normal procedure.

iam talking about GOI inviting british agents to rekhee golden temple

 

[Singh]

1947 - Independence

1984 - Operation Bluestar; After a near-disastrous siege, First realization that we need a dedicated counter-terror Unit. Ergo the NSG.

1999 - IC 814 Hijacking; After being stuck in vehicular traffic, First realization that the NSG needs attached quick-response air assets.

2008 - Mumbai Terror Attacks; First realization that for a vast country like India, a Centralized presence of NSG leads to crucial delays. NSG contingents/units deployed in many major cities.

Why am I not surprised that India sought UK's help in this case? If our response to such a crucial issue as domestic terror is so reactive and lethargic even AFTER the creation of NSG, India would no doubt be caught with it's pants down in tackling a well-entrenched Militant force inside the temple.

Israelis were prepared to help out during 26/11 India refused because of loss of face.
Then during UK floods, Russians had prepared their rescue and relief teams, India refused again because of loss of face.

 

[Blackwater]

Israelis were prepared to help out during 26/11 India refused because of loss of face.
Then during UK floods, Russians had prepared their rescue and relief teams, India refused again because of loss of face.

26/11 was poorly managed operations by NSG.

i have full faith that indian NSG is among the worst equipped /trained special forces in the world

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

UK ministers were told not to upset Indira

The newly-declassified file on Operation Bluestar reveals Mrs Gandhi's attitude, who was quick to take offence at slights. It also highlights good relations between Indira Gandhi and Mrs Thatcher

London : The newly-declassified file that has set off a storm over Britain's alleged involvement in planning Operation Bluestar in 1984 speaks about concerns over the attitude of Indira Gandhi who was "quick to take offence at slights", reports PTI.

A background briefing document contained in the file PREM 19/1273 and marked 'UK/India Relations' warns British ministers to ensure not to upset the Indian leader.

"Mrs Gandhi's attitude is crucial. She is quick to take offence at slights, real or imagined. A continuing effort to convince her and her Government of the importance we attach to our relationship with India is necessary," according to the document, dating back 30 years.

"Indo-British relations are in good shape, despite fundamental differences on many international issues. There is a personal rapport between Mrs Gandhi and Mrs Thatcher," the document added. Another section makes a reference to the Kohinoor diamond, pointing out that only Pakistan had sought its return and not India.

"In 1976, the Pakistan Government requested that it (Kohinoor) be 'returned'; the request was refused. No formal approach has yet been made by the Government of India to Britain for its return, but it is unlikely that if one were, our response would differ from that made to Pakistan in 1976," it read. The file, part of a series from the Prime Minister's Office, was released by the National Archives earlier this year under its 30-year declassification rule.

It has led to British Prime Minister David Cameron announcing an inquiry by the Cabinet Secretary into letters contained in it which imply that Britain's Special Air Service (SAS) commanders may have helped train the Indian military in the lead up to its operation to remove militants holed up in the Golden Temple in June 1984.

In a mild echo to modern day defence deals, some of the letters exchanged between Thatcher and her trade and industry minister Norman Tebbit also shed light on the role the British government had played in securing a deal for the Indian government to acquire 21 AgustaWestland helicopters using 50 million pounds of British aid money.

These aircraft were intended for the Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) at the time and included a promise to acquire more later for VIP use, similar to the deal recently cancelled by the Indian government over allegations of corruption. "The Minister of Overseas Development points out that there is a weak developmental case for the proposal; he is sceptical of the commercial case; but he notes that there are some important political considerations which have to be taken into account," read a confidential note addressed to Thatcher.

- See more at: UK ministers were told not to upset Indira - Free Press Journal

 

[TrueSpirit1]

26/11 was poorly managed operations by NSG.

i have full faith that indian NSG is among the worst equipped /trained special forces in the world

I can get very accurate info about this direct from horse's mouth....just wait.

 

[TrueSpirit1]

Israelis were prepared to help out during 26/11 India refused because of loss of face.
Then during UK floods, Russians had prepared their rescue and relief teams, India refused again because of loss of face.

I could not understand both scenarios..what exactly were you trying to convey & how is it related to topic ?

 

[boris]

Israelis were prepared to help out during 26/11 India refused because of loss of face.
Then during UK floods, Russians had prepared their rescue and relief teams, India refused again because of loss of face.

You reminded me of a quote from Rambo 3 - "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence".

I can understand the "loss of face" but sometimes decision's based on that logic end up biting in the a**.

Just a thought.