54 Jets Set to Be Scrapped, Air Force Looks to Cannibalize on its Squadrons

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  1. Blackwater

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    The Rafale deal with France is yet to materialise, but the Indian Air Force is set to lose 54 fighter jets within the next six months. The planes - MiG 21s and MiG 27s, bought from Russia in the 60s and 70s - will be de-commissioned, bringing down the strength of the Air Force from 35 to 32 squadrons.

    The Air Force - which needs at least 42 squadrons of 18 aircraft each to provide proper air cover at the Western and Northern borders - is now considering an unprecedented step to fill the gap, said sources.

    The IAF has told the government that it could divert four to six planes from the existing squadrons - depending on requirement - to keep the total number of squadrons intact.

    "We will have to pull out about 50 odd aircrafts from other squadrons and make up 3 squadrons," a senior Air Force officer told NDTV.

    The flip side will be that it will reduce the operational strength and therefore the fire power of the squadrons.

    The loss to each squadron at times could be more than six jets, since the fighters will sometimes be unavailable due to repairs and maintenance. The 18 fighters of a squadron include two trainers and two fighters in reserve.

    "In effect, the number of fighters available at times for operational deployment will be even lower," the officer said.

    MiG-21s are interceptor jets, used for air defence and air to ground attacks. MiG-27s are used for ground attack and a variety of purposes like destroying infrastructure.

    But the Rafale jets -capable of deep penetration strike - that were to plug the critical gap are still far away. India has also scaled down the number of aircraft it planned to acquire from France from 126 to 36 off-the-shelf jets. Defence minister Manohar Parrikar had said they were "way too expensive".

    And it will be another five years before indigenously built fighter jet Tejas can be deployed in a combat role.

    "The IAF will fight with whatever we have, but the situation isn't a very happy one," a senior officer said.
     
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  3. Blackwater

    Blackwater Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    thank god not because IAF get rid of 54 jets in next 6 months, but thank god we will manage to save lives of 54 IAF pilots

    :biggrin2::biggrin2::india::india::hehe::hehe::tongue2::tongue2::sad::sad:
     
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    $40 billion Defence budget and this is what we have.

    IAF need to come to terms with reality and that is India isn't USA that can produce or procure 100's of F35 and they have to defend the nation with what they get.
     
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  5. The enlightened

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    And what makes you think that they are disjointed from reality?
     
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    Procurement of Rafale in large no. when we can't, refusing to induct Tejas in large no. and keep asking for changes in Tejas specs ignoring the fact that with each passing day we keep loosing aircrafts and more importantly, pilots.
     
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    Well we are going to. Buying only 36 Rafale jets is ridiculous. Original MMRCA contract was untenable which is why we will have a new contract for production.
    Any new fighter that they induct must serve for 40 years. They have to buy new jets in 2010's keeping the 2030's in mind. Tejas ASQR changes aren't IAF's fault. It is DODO whose countless delays have pushed the induction date at a time of 4.5+ and 5th gen aircrafts have arrived. Tejas Mk1. would be excellent in the 90's, not so now. It maybe better than MiG 21, MiG 27 even Mirage but enemy is also replacing their MiGs and Mirages.
     
  8. Pulkit

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    Yes it is ridiculous we shud not even buy those 36.........................We must put all our money on Tejas MK1 mk2 and FGFA.
    We surely need a A/Cs that too Developed and made in India
    New fighter life is 35-40 years but when u design some thing you plan for more than its life span.
    So what they have done with Tejas is that it can be easily upgraded with the latest updates .
    composites were not part of A/C stuctures in 90's it only started in last one decade.
    And yes ASQR changes are fault of IAF also.
    When you ask for unrealistic things in unrealistic time lines and then keep changing ur requirements then what can u expect.
    I can surely debate on it with you but before that i will request you to go thru Tejas Threads once.[/QUOTE]
     
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  9. Immanuel

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    Why scrap them? the entire old Mig-21/23/27 fleet can & should eventually be turned into target drones, these should be used to test our home made SAMs, AA missiles etc. They would make very realistic maneuvering targets and we can easily have over 300 hundred realistic targets.
     
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    Instead for looking for more aircraft, learn to fly them better and do not drop them to the ground every now and then.

    Even the newest of new US Globe Master was dumped to the ground a few years back. A few of SU-30MK1 have the ground, a few of these with pilot errors.

    IAF is accident prone, poorly trained but highly educated. It does not matter brand new or old, poorly trained personnel and miserable maintenance crew are doing their best to give it a most accident prone name of the world. No aircraft type is free from accidents with IAF. Rafale will meet the same fate. Do not buy new one because IAF is leading a media charge on the government. First they have to set themselves right and then ask for new aircrafts.
     
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    Order for 125 Tejas should be a priority now.. hope decisions are made quick
     
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    [QUOTE="archie, post: 1052145, member: 13900"]Order for 125 Tejas should be a priority now.. hope decisions are made quick[/QUOTE]

    Order Kithooo????????????????????


    come on ground mate
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    yes what is ridiculous is being 46 billion $$$ budget we are struggling and pakis despite begging manage to main the fleet:tsk::tsk::tsk::tsk::tsk:
     
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    yes what is ridiculous is being 46 billion $$$ budget we are struggling and pakis despite begging manage to main the fleet:tsk::tsk::tsk::tsk::tsk:[/QUOTE]

    We also have to consider that we don't have multiple sugar daddies like the pakis. Look at the list of sugar daddies they have U.S, China, Saudi and U.A.E that is know of. These four combined, they are richer than rest of the world...

    :basanti::drool::hippo::hehe::troll:
     
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    We also have to consider that we don't have multiple sugar daddies like the pakis. Look at the list of sugar daddies they have U.S, China, Saudi and U.A.E that is know of. These four combined, they are richer than rest of the world...

    :basanti::drool::hippo::hehe::troll:[/QUOTE]

    no, we do have to consider that we have chutiye sarkari babus, maha chutiye politicians and maha maha chutiya media.

    who banned bofors and TATRA despite they are the best in lot
     
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    Q. Can we not have and build and have more juicy SU30MKIs please while we decide what we do next.

    Is there a limit of how many SU30MKIs we can build.
     
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    su-30 can not do all types of duties. its like u have toyota land cruiser and u need Hyundai 120 for city use
     
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    No, we don't need Hundai I20(foreign maal).

    We should have home grown Fighter LCA like home grown TATA Indica & Mahindra Scorpio.
     
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    Order Kithooo????????????????????


    come on ground mate[/QUOTE]

    There was a plan to set up second private production line with confirmed order of 125 planes..

    Like it or not accelarating the project is the only way forward..
     
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    Well you dont know the details i guss..Though I20 is manufactured in India Hundai uses steel imported from Korea.. and cerian components stll come from South Korea.. In Comparrision Tata's are more indegenios with steel coming from Indian plants..
     
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