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No I guess he is talking about LGBT. Correct it of wrong @spikey360
50 killed in Orlando, Florida, US shooting
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ok Thanks.......................................
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the thread seems to have gone way OT, but anyway, let me take it a wee further down that lane...
the history of dogs being considered 'haraam' in islam goes back to the period of the arab invasion of persia. same goes for the cow-slaughter 'tradition' here. there's a link between the two chapters of history. best person to explain that here is @asingh10, but he's seldom active here now. i've read that Prophet Mohammad said not to kill animals that are of use to humans, and to kill animals only if really necessary and that too in such a way that it experiences minimum pain. IDK how much is it true. thing is that the Quran has been so much manipulated-edited (not unlike the Bible, but perhaps far more, an estimate putting the figure at 3-3.5k number of times) & thus used for personal agendas that it becomes too tough to discern and know actualities. this was being done since the time of the death of Pr. Mohd. couple that with the authoritarian imposition of it/its history being unquestionable, & you have a helghan doctrine & force in place. thus one would find so many beliefs & traditions that would seem so weird or/and outlandish being attributed to the Quran but in actuality having no or little relation to it, albeit more to what 'someone' made out of a verse or such in history to suit & further his own personal agenda(s) & power-mongering (& ultimately proving to be nihilistic) pursuits.
the history of dogs being considered 'haraam' in islam goes back to the period of the arab invasion of persia. same goes for the cow-slaughter 'tradition' here. there's a link between the two chapters of history. best person to explain that here is @asingh10, but he's seldom active here now. i've read that Prophet Mohammad said not to kill animals that are of use to humans, and to kill animals only if really necessary and that too in such a way that it experiences minimum pain. IDK how much is it true. thing is that the Quran has been so much manipulated-edited (not unlike the Bible, but perhaps far more, an estimate putting the figure at 3-3.5k number of times) & thus used for personal agendas that it becomes too tough to discern and know actualities. this was being done since the time of the death of Pr. Mohd. couple that with the authoritarian imposition of it/its history being unquestionable, & you have a helghan doctrine & force in place. thus one would find so many beliefs & traditions that would seem so weird or/and outlandish being attributed to the Quran but in actuality having no or little relation to it, albeit more to what 'someone' made out of a verse or such in history to suit & further his own personal agenda(s) & power-mongering (& ultimately proving to be nihilistic) pursuits.
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Why should we attack someone's son, brother, nephew or friend ? Because he's a gay?
For the sake of argument if I believe homo is bad thing, why should parent suffer because few like you & me don't like homos ?
FYI, homos are part of india for hundreds of years. Nobody hated them.
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Thread reopened.
@Kshatriya87, sorry for the late action. Next time, please send a private message to multiple moderators (@sob, @Sakal Gharelu Ustad, @tarunraju), so that if one is absent, another can open the thread.
@Kshatriya87, sorry for the late action. Next time, please send a private message to multiple moderators (@sob, @Sakal Gharelu Ustad, @tarunraju), so that if one is absent, another can open the thread.
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Orlando gay club massacre: How Indian-origin ex-Marine helped save 60-70 lives
Marine Corps Times said he had been awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal during his service.
A former US Marine sergeant of Indian origin, Imran Yousuf, has been hailed as a hero for saving scores of lives at a Florida night club when a terrorist went on a rampage killing 49 people.
Yousuf posted on his Facebook page, "There are a lot of people naming me a hero and as a former Marine and Afghan veteran I honestly believe I reacted by instinct.... While it might seem that my actions are heroic I decided that the others around me needed to be saved as well and so I just reacted."
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED
When Yousuf, who was working as a bouncer at the Pulse night club, catering to the gay community in Orlando, Florida, heard the first gunshots, his military experience fighting in Afghanistan kicked in.
As everyone in the packed night club froze in fear, he jumped up and at personal risk opened a back door allowing many people to escape.
As panicked people streamed to the back of the hall, "I'm screaming 'Open the door! Open the door!' And no one is moving because they are scared," he told CBS News television.
"There was only one choice...Either we all stay there and we all die, or I could take the chance, and I jumped over to open that latch and we got everyone that we can out of there."
Yousuf said his quick action saved 60 to 70 lives.
He cried as he said, "I wish I could have saved more to be honest. There are a lot of people that are dead"
×
And Yousuf has been modest, brushing off praises or being hailed as a hero.
According to the Marine Corps Times newspaper, Yousuf had left the Marine Corps just last month.
His family emigrated from Guyana, where his ancestors had gone from India.
He grew up in the town of Niskayuna and joined the Marine Corps soon after he finished high school at the age of 17 and served in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
His brother, Ameer Yousuf, said, "This was so unexpected but because of my brother's training in the Marine Corps, he was prepared and used strategies from that to do everything he did."
Marine Corps Times said he had been awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal during his service.
Marine Corps Times said he had been awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal during his service.
A former US Marine sergeant of Indian origin, Imran Yousuf, has been hailed as a hero for saving scores of lives at a Florida night club when a terrorist went on a rampage killing 49 people.
Yousuf posted on his Facebook page, "There are a lot of people naming me a hero and as a former Marine and Afghan veteran I honestly believe I reacted by instinct.... While it might seem that my actions are heroic I decided that the others around me needed to be saved as well and so I just reacted."
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED
When Yousuf, who was working as a bouncer at the Pulse night club, catering to the gay community in Orlando, Florida, heard the first gunshots, his military experience fighting in Afghanistan kicked in.
As everyone in the packed night club froze in fear, he jumped up and at personal risk opened a back door allowing many people to escape.
As panicked people streamed to the back of the hall, "I'm screaming 'Open the door! Open the door!' And no one is moving because they are scared," he told CBS News television.
"There was only one choice...Either we all stay there and we all die, or I could take the chance, and I jumped over to open that latch and we got everyone that we can out of there."
Yousuf said his quick action saved 60 to 70 lives.
He cried as he said, "I wish I could have saved more to be honest. There are a lot of people that are dead"
×
And Yousuf has been modest, brushing off praises or being hailed as a hero.
According to the Marine Corps Times newspaper, Yousuf had left the Marine Corps just last month.
His family emigrated from Guyana, where his ancestors had gone from India.
He grew up in the town of Niskayuna and joined the Marine Corps soon after he finished high school at the age of 17 and served in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
His brother, Ameer Yousuf, said, "This was so unexpected but because of my brother's training in the Marine Corps, he was prepared and used strategies from that to do everything he did."
Marine Corps Times said he had been awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal during his service.
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Orlando gunman said he was Islamic soldier in 911 phonecall
The first call came more than a half-hour after shots rang out, when Mateen told a 911 operator, “Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God,” he told the dispatcher, referring to God in Arabic.
“I let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.”
During the 50-second call with a dispatcher, Mateen “made murderous statements in a “chilling, calm and deliberate manner,” Ronald Hopper, FBI assistant special agent in charge in Orlando, said during a news conference.
The first call came more than a half-hour after shots rang out, when Mateen told a 911 operator, “Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God,” he told the dispatcher, referring to God in Arabic.
“I let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.”
During the 50-second call with a dispatcher, Mateen “made murderous statements in a “chilling, calm and deliberate manner,” Ronald Hopper, FBI assistant special agent in charge in Orlando, said during a news conference.
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Orlando killer had no links to IS: CIA chief
THE NEWSPAPER'S CORRESPONDENT— UPDATED JUN 18, 2016
WASHINGTON: CIA chief John Brennan has told the Senate intelligence committee that his agency found no evidence of a connection between Omar Mateen and the militant Islamic State (IS) group.
Mateen, who killed 49 people when he raided a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, stated allegiance to the militant group minutes before the attack.
Mr Brennan told the lawmakers that four days of investigation by the CIA and other US intelligence agencies concluded that Mateen was a “lone wolf.”
The FBI also has determined that Mateen was not directed by or in contact with IS before the Orlando attack. In Facebook posts from inside the club and a 911 call during the attack, Mateen reportedly declared his allegiance to the group. But investigators are now focusing more on his apparently complicated relationship with his sexuality.
Read: FBI ‘confident’ that Orlando gunman was ‘radicalised’
The CIA chief, however, said that recent terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, were “directed” by IS leadership in Syria and Iraq.
Mr Brennan acknowledged that the group’s “terrorist capacity or global reach” remained undiminished by US-led advances on IS-held cities like Manbij and Fallujah. He warned that IS could accelerate terrorist attacks worldwide, a reversion to its pre-2014 status quo.
Mr Brennan warned IS could rely on as many as 38,000 adherents, mostly combatants, across Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sinai, Nigeria, Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Also on Thursday, the US House of Representatives voted down an amendment that would bar the security services from accessing communications of US citizens without warrants and compelling communications firms to weaken encryption. The amendment was defeated by a 222-198 vote.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1265564/orlando-killer-had-no-links-to-is-cia-chief
THE NEWSPAPER'S CORRESPONDENT— UPDATED JUN 18, 2016
WASHINGTON: CIA chief John Brennan has told the Senate intelligence committee that his agency found no evidence of a connection between Omar Mateen and the militant Islamic State (IS) group.
Mateen, who killed 49 people when he raided a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, stated allegiance to the militant group minutes before the attack.
Mr Brennan told the lawmakers that four days of investigation by the CIA and other US intelligence agencies concluded that Mateen was a “lone wolf.”
The FBI also has determined that Mateen was not directed by or in contact with IS before the Orlando attack. In Facebook posts from inside the club and a 911 call during the attack, Mateen reportedly declared his allegiance to the group. But investigators are now focusing more on his apparently complicated relationship with his sexuality.
Read: FBI ‘confident’ that Orlando gunman was ‘radicalised’
The CIA chief, however, said that recent terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, were “directed” by IS leadership in Syria and Iraq.
Mr Brennan acknowledged that the group’s “terrorist capacity or global reach” remained undiminished by US-led advances on IS-held cities like Manbij and Fallujah. He warned that IS could accelerate terrorist attacks worldwide, a reversion to its pre-2014 status quo.
Mr Brennan warned IS could rely on as many as 38,000 adherents, mostly combatants, across Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sinai, Nigeria, Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Also on Thursday, the US House of Representatives voted down an amendment that would bar the security services from accessing communications of US citizens without warrants and compelling communications firms to weaken encryption. The amendment was defeated by a 222-198 vote.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1265564/orlando-killer-had-no-links-to-is-cia-chief
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CIA has not found any link between Orlando killer and Isis, says agency chief
John Brennan told the Senate intelligence committee Thursday that CIA has no evidence of a connection between Omar Mateen and the Islamic State
CIA: no ‘direct link’ between Orlando shooter and Isis
Spencer Ackerman in New York
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Thursday 16 June 2016 19.45 BST
The Central Intelligence Agency chief has not been “able to uncover any link” between Orlando killer Omar Mateen and the Islamic State, despite Mateen’s stated allegiance to the jihadist group during Sunday’s LGBT nightclub massacre.
Reinforcing four days of internal government assessments across multiple agencies and a Federal Bureau of Investigation inquiry, the CIA director, John Brennan, contrasted “lone wolf” killers in Orlando and San Bernardino last December with recent terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, which he told the Senate intelligence committee were “directed” by Isis leadership in Syria and Iraq.
Brennan described a spread-bet strategy by Isis as it loses territory in Iraq and Syria. The group’s “terrorist capacity or global reach” remain undiminished by US-led advances on Isis-held cities like Manbij and Fallujah, the latest developments in a war nearing its third year, and Brennan said the US should expect Isis to launch accelerating terrorist attacks worldwide, a reversion to its pre-2014 status quo.
“As the pressure mounts on Isil, we judge that it will intensify its global terror campaign to maintain its dominance of the global terrorism agenda,” Brennan said, using the administration’s preferred acronym for Isis.
But Brennan indicated that the shape of those attacks will vary. Isis is consolidating and “interconnecting” its foreign branches, he said, particularly its “most dangerous” branch in Libya, and also placing operatives in western countries, chiefly in Europe. It will also “inspire attacks by sympathizers with no ties to the group”, which Brennan said taxes security agencies’ ability to notice ahead of an attack.
Brennan urged the panel to renew a stalled push from the intelligence agencies to gain greater powers to access Americans’ encrypted data. Pushback from senators on the panel led Brennan to endorse a “congressional commission” on expanding legal authorities available to US security agencies to access encrypted data, and insisted he did not back a mechanism “perceived as a backdoor”.
“It has to be an effort undertaken by the government and private sector in a very thoughtful manner … and not cede this environment to the terrorists and those who would do us harm,” Brennan said.
The CIA director’s comments shortly before the House of Representatives voted down an amendment that would bar the security services from accessing Americans’ communications without warrants and compelling communications firms to weaken encryption.
Isis “remains a formidable adversary”, Brennan said, and the US is in for “a long and difficult fight” against it. Isis commands legions of fighters that “far exceeds what al-Qaida had at its height”, he said.
While those government estimates on al-Qaida’s fighting strength varied tremendously between 2001 and 2014, Brennan suggested Isis could rely on as many as 38,000 adherents, mostly combatants, across Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sinai, Nigeria, Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Its fighter totals in Iraq and Syria have declined over the past year, he said.
The FBI has determined that Mateen was not directed by or in contact with Isis before his attack at the Pulse nightclub. In Facebook posts from inside the club and a 911 call during the attack, Mateen reportedly declared his allegiance to Isis, somethinginvestigators are examining, particularly in light of his apparently complicated relationship with his sexuality.
While there appears to be no indication thus far that Mateen encrypted his digital data, Brennan said he “wonder[ed] whether we as a government do have the ability to monitor that domain for threats to our national security”.
His comment harkened back to an ultimately abandoned effort by the FBI and the justice department to compel Apple to weaken encryption on its operating system for a speculative effort to access an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino terrorists. Its fallout accelerated acrimony and distrust between the US government and Silicon Valley, particularly over digital security.
“This feud between the tech companies and law enforcement has to stop,” urged the Senate panel chairman, Richard Burr, a North Carolina Republican.
The feud persists in Congress too. Privacy advocates in the House pushed an amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill that would have closed the so-called “backdoor search” provision, which allows US intelligence and law enforcement agencies to search without warrants for Americans’ data inside the National Security Agency’s huge hoard of collected international communications data.
The proposed amendment would also have prevented the government mandating that companies weaken their products’ encryption.
Advocates of the measure said it was important to wage the fight in the wake of the Orlando shooting, when advocates of the security agencies might be expected to hold the political advantage.
Before the vote, co-sponsor Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican, told the Guardian: “We’re pressing forward because passage of our amendment in this political environment will send the strongest message possible that Congress is still dedicated to the privacy protections enshrined in the fourth amendment.”
Ahead of the vote on Massie’s amendment, which was co-sponsored by California Democrat Zoe Lofgren, senior members of the House intelligence committee issued a letter urging its rejection and explicitly referencing the Orlando shooting.
“We cannot be lulled into a false sense of security,” wrote chairman Devin Nunes of California and Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia. “As recent events in Orlando have made tragically clear, terrorists will continue to attack the US homeland.”
The amendment was defeated by a 222-198 vote.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ooter-omar-mateen-isis-pulse-nightclub-attack
John Brennan told the Senate intelligence committee Thursday that CIA has no evidence of a connection between Omar Mateen and the Islamic State
CIA: no ‘direct link’ between Orlando shooter and Isis
Spencer Ackerman in New York
@attackerman
Thursday 16 June 2016 19.45 BST
The Central Intelligence Agency chief has not been “able to uncover any link” between Orlando killer Omar Mateen and the Islamic State, despite Mateen’s stated allegiance to the jihadist group during Sunday’s LGBT nightclub massacre.
Reinforcing four days of internal government assessments across multiple agencies and a Federal Bureau of Investigation inquiry, the CIA director, John Brennan, contrasted “lone wolf” killers in Orlando and San Bernardino last December with recent terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, which he told the Senate intelligence committee were “directed” by Isis leadership in Syria and Iraq.
Brennan described a spread-bet strategy by Isis as it loses territory in Iraq and Syria. The group’s “terrorist capacity or global reach” remain undiminished by US-led advances on Isis-held cities like Manbij and Fallujah, the latest developments in a war nearing its third year, and Brennan said the US should expect Isis to launch accelerating terrorist attacks worldwide, a reversion to its pre-2014 status quo.
“As the pressure mounts on Isil, we judge that it will intensify its global terror campaign to maintain its dominance of the global terrorism agenda,” Brennan said, using the administration’s preferred acronym for Isis.
But Brennan indicated that the shape of those attacks will vary. Isis is consolidating and “interconnecting” its foreign branches, he said, particularly its “most dangerous” branch in Libya, and also placing operatives in western countries, chiefly in Europe. It will also “inspire attacks by sympathizers with no ties to the group”, which Brennan said taxes security agencies’ ability to notice ahead of an attack.
Brennan urged the panel to renew a stalled push from the intelligence agencies to gain greater powers to access Americans’ encrypted data. Pushback from senators on the panel led Brennan to endorse a “congressional commission” on expanding legal authorities available to US security agencies to access encrypted data, and insisted he did not back a mechanism “perceived as a backdoor”.
“It has to be an effort undertaken by the government and private sector in a very thoughtful manner … and not cede this environment to the terrorists and those who would do us harm,” Brennan said.
The CIA director’s comments shortly before the House of Representatives voted down an amendment that would bar the security services from accessing Americans’ communications without warrants and compelling communications firms to weaken encryption.
Isis “remains a formidable adversary”, Brennan said, and the US is in for “a long and difficult fight” against it. Isis commands legions of fighters that “far exceeds what al-Qaida had at its height”, he said.
While those government estimates on al-Qaida’s fighting strength varied tremendously between 2001 and 2014, Brennan suggested Isis could rely on as many as 38,000 adherents, mostly combatants, across Iraq, Syria, Libya, Sinai, Nigeria, Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Its fighter totals in Iraq and Syria have declined over the past year, he said.
The FBI has determined that Mateen was not directed by or in contact with Isis before his attack at the Pulse nightclub. In Facebook posts from inside the club and a 911 call during the attack, Mateen reportedly declared his allegiance to Isis, somethinginvestigators are examining, particularly in light of his apparently complicated relationship with his sexuality.
While there appears to be no indication thus far that Mateen encrypted his digital data, Brennan said he “wonder[ed] whether we as a government do have the ability to monitor that domain for threats to our national security”.
His comment harkened back to an ultimately abandoned effort by the FBI and the justice department to compel Apple to weaken encryption on its operating system for a speculative effort to access an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino terrorists. Its fallout accelerated acrimony and distrust between the US government and Silicon Valley, particularly over digital security.
“This feud between the tech companies and law enforcement has to stop,” urged the Senate panel chairman, Richard Burr, a North Carolina Republican.
The feud persists in Congress too. Privacy advocates in the House pushed an amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill that would have closed the so-called “backdoor search” provision, which allows US intelligence and law enforcement agencies to search without warrants for Americans’ data inside the National Security Agency’s huge hoard of collected international communications data.
The proposed amendment would also have prevented the government mandating that companies weaken their products’ encryption.
Advocates of the measure said it was important to wage the fight in the wake of the Orlando shooting, when advocates of the security agencies might be expected to hold the political advantage.
Before the vote, co-sponsor Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican, told the Guardian: “We’re pressing forward because passage of our amendment in this political environment will send the strongest message possible that Congress is still dedicated to the privacy protections enshrined in the fourth amendment.”
Ahead of the vote on Massie’s amendment, which was co-sponsored by California Democrat Zoe Lofgren, senior members of the House intelligence committee issued a letter urging its rejection and explicitly referencing the Orlando shooting.
“We cannot be lulled into a false sense of security,” wrote chairman Devin Nunes of California and Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia. “As recent events in Orlando have made tragically clear, terrorists will continue to attack the US homeland.”
The amendment was defeated by a 222-198 vote.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ooter-omar-mateen-isis-pulse-nightclub-attack
Like other terrorist case, they were all visited by the Feds. He was similar to the Tsarnayev of Boston bombing case.
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06...e-official-story-of-the-orlando-shooting.html
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He didn't have any connection to ISIS. But that doesn't make him right. He was a hardcore islamist.
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How did you come to this conclusion? He was gay, a classic closet case who couldn't handle his sexuality and commited a hatecrime.
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A mental case justifying his act doesn't make him an islamist. There is no trail of any such activity. He was an average immigrant's son born in the US who might have been exposed to redical ideology but FBI didn't find any such trail.
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Mentally unstable according to his ex wife and a closet case. Must be under a lot of pressure.
He was a regular at the gay club and used to pick men. And according to his father he got upset when he saw two men kissing in front of his kid.
If that teiggered him to go on a shooting spree, he can at least be described as a nutjob.
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I am not, are you??
Show me a CIA report to prove that.
Here on this board one tries to blame Islam and muslims for each and every crime without any proof.
I bet some people will try to find an Islamic link in yesterdays attempt to kill Donald Trump too
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yar pucha bhi toh kiska report pucha. CIA? Those guys fake reports on a daily basis. That is kid's work for them. In this case, I'm connecting the dots between the kiss incident and his calls to 911. I don't have proof.
Didn't you ever wonder why? Islamic radicalization is a reality. People blame Islam because the book influences people in a certain way. Some people chose to stress on some verses others chose to read other verses. Bottomline is that people use this book as a tool to radicalize people. That's why many in this world blame Islam and Muslims.Here on this board one tries to blame Islam and muslims for each and every crime without any proof.
I bet some people will try to find an Islamic link in yesterdays attempt to kill Donald Trump too
