400 more fighter jets in Indian Air Force’s vision 2030

[Tactical Frog]

The source said the IAF would get 120 Tejas light combat aircraft, another 120 twin-engine mediumweight aircraft to be built in India in collaboration with a foreign manufacturer, and an equal number of single-engine fighter planes

Since we already have "heavy" "light" and "medium" already there in some quantity, rafale might not make the cut, not even 36, so get in touch with reality for Rafale-less IAF
Gripen is not going to be purchased or produced, but people forget is Tejas MK II, PAKFA/FGFA and AMCA. Those are the ones in the list,

Guess the motto is ,, India Free of Congress party, IAF free of Rafale .

@smestarz you did not read carefully this time again !

The source says 120 Tejas, 120 twin-engine medium weight aircraft to be built in India in collaboration with a foreign manufacturer, and an equal number of single-engine fighter planes.
Obviously number Two fighter looks likes Rafale very much, not like FGFA or AMCA !
Number Three looks like Gripen to me.

 

[tejas warrior]

Grappling with a drawdown of its fighter jet fleet, India has firmed up a plan to plug the capability gap over the next 10 to 15 years. A top defence ministry source said the Indian Air Force was working towards the target of inducting around 400 warplanes by 2030 to buttress its depleting force levels that set off alarm bells about the country’s ability to tackle a combined threat from China and Pakistan.

T he count of IAF’s fighter squadrons ha s shrunk to 33 (a round 640 fighters) compared to a desirable strength of 42. T he squadron strength is likely to come down to a mere 19 (around 380 warplanes) by 2027, as revealed in a Parliamentary panel report earlier this month.

The source said the IAF would get 120 Tejas light combat aircraft, another 120 twin-engine mediumweight aircraft to be built in India in collaboration with a foreign manufacturer, and an equal number of single-engine fighter planes. India is currently negotiating a deal with France for buying 36 Rafale fighters and 72 Sukhoi-30 fighters are on order. B ridging the capability gap is vital for the IAF that is saddled with ageing Soviet-era fighters.


T he IAF also wants to deploy a total of 15 AW AC S (airborne warning and control system) over the next decade. T he IAF currently operates three Israeli Phalcon AW AC S mounted on Russian IL-76 heavy-lift planes. The system has a range of 400km. Itis also on course to induct two Brazilian Embraer airborne early warning and control (AEW &C ) system aircraft. The AEW &C systems developed by the DRDO are being installed on Embraer-145 jets imported from Brazil.

In M arch 2015, India took the first step towards developing an indigenous AW AC S, with the defence acquisition council giving its go-ahead to a Rs 5,113 crore project involving mounting two such complex surveillance systems on the European Airbus A330 platform. Airbus Defence &Space was the only bidder for the AW ACS India programme, making it the first single vendor project to be cleared by the NDA government.

“T he finance ministry has raised some objections but the defence ministry has given a clarification emphasising the operational need for more such platforms,” the source said. As per IAF’s plans, eight AW AC S are required for the eastern border, and five for the western boundary. The IAF wants these monitoring systems to provide 360-degree coverage, which is far more than that offered by (AEW &C ) system aircraft.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/natio...vision-2030/story-VTRviJ0xb4E3EPA6Uzc3HL.html

How credible this source is.. ?? looking like a paid article.

 

[kstriya]

Gripen E makes sense if it can take on likes F35, if it can counter J series stealth fighter and should be considerably cheaper than Rafale. Or else Tejas is the only answer. We can have 120 to 200 MK1A , about 100 MK 2 and another 100 MK3 if derived or else add more MK2. This is achievable by 2030, given Mk 2 will receive FOC by 2022 and a private company having another production line.

 

[smestarz]

For your info, do you know how many Twin engine planes were in MRCA ? 4
EFT, MiG-35, F/A-18 and Rafale
Already Rafale is highly overpriced amd even the 36 planes deal is being difficult, would India waste its time with Rafales? Its nice to see the French dream of 120 planes , keep dreaming

Rather the chances in a way might seem better for F/A-18 (land and carrier) and MiG-35.

Further did you notice that there is no mention of PAKFA or AMCA in that, how are they going to be in the 400 planes.. The "medium" category will be out soon as it came, and it would be single engine and twin engine planes, and guess who does not make the cut?. Rafale ..

I did read it, but did you understand it? Or you still believe that everyone wants french products?

@smestarz you did not read carefully this time again !

The source says 120 Tejas, 120 twin-engine medium weight aircraft to be built in India in collaboration with a foreign manufacturer, and an equal number of single-engine fighter planes.
Obviously number Two fighter looks likes Rafale very much, not like FGFA or AMCA !
Number Three looks like Gripen to me.

 

[rock127]

120 Tejas + 72 Sukhois. That makes 10 more squadrons, total 43. So the gap is filled right there. Why do we need 400 more fighters again?

What about the planes which has to be retired? for example our "flying coffins"

Vision hi dikhate raho. Fact is if tomorrow China decides to give us a bloody nose, we will take it lying down again like in '62.

We are getting sick n tired of "IAF gonna get this and that" for last 30 years but nothing coming up on the ground despite IAF squardon depleting. IAF is crucial for any military today.

 

[smestarz]

400 planes more is going to imbalance the defence budget, 400 planes is 26 more squadrons, but what the squadrons will be like, MoD is no longer eager for "MEDIUM" planes, Which IAF top brass can prove that India needs a Medium MRCA and how? Buying a plane that only figures on Western front has limited use. MiG-29 can Squadrons can hold off PAF F-16, why do we need Rafale for that?

MoD is looking ahead, Rafale is already out of plans, PAKFA/FGFA are the future for IAF along with Tejas 1A and II. Now the very name of Tejas threatens French, the name Tejas has become like name of Hanuman used to scare away demons and we know who is that here.

How credible this source is.. ?? looking like a paid article.

 

[WolfPack86]

Alenia Aermacchi was a subsidiary of Leonardo-Finmeccanica[1] (formerly Finmeccanica) active in the Aeronautics sector, with offices and plants in Venegono Superiore, Varese, Turin Caselle Airport in San Maurizio Canavese, Province of Turin andPomigliano d'Arco, Province of Naples.[2] From 1 January 2016, the activities of Alenia Aermacchi merged into Leonardo-Finmeccanica’s Aircraft and Aerostructures Divisions, within the Aeronautics Sector.
Alenia Aermacchi was created on 1 January 2012 as the merger of Alenia Aeronautica and its subsidiaries (Alenia) Aermacchiand Alenia SIA. The former Alenia Aeronautica was created in 1990 by concentrating the Finmeccanica aerospace and defense industries Aeritalia and Selenia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_Aermacchi
Eurofighter Typhoon is three Countries fighter. The Typhoon was designed and is manufactured by a consortium of three companies, Alenia Aermacchi, Airbus Group and BAE Systems,
Finmeccanica is banned by Indian Goverment guys do you think Eurofighter Typhoon has a chance in India since it is four countries consortium like Britain, Italy, Germany and Spain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon

 

[pmaitra]

120 Tejas + 72 Sukhois. That makes 10 more squadrons, total 43. So the gap is filled right there. Why do we need 400 more fighters again?

43 squadrons = 43 x 16 = 688 planes, assuming 16 planes in one squadron.

120 LCA + 72 Sukhoi-30 = 192 planes.

688 - 192 = 496. So, we certainly need another 400+ planes to make up 43 squadrons.

 

[Kshatriya87]

43 squadrons = 43 x 16 = 688 planes, assuming 16 planes in one squadron.

120 LCA + 72 Sukhoi-30 = 192 planes.

688 - 192 = 496. So, we certainly need another 400+ planes to make up 43 squadrons.

My total was in response to the article's part where it claims that we have 33 squadrons. And I added the 192 LCA + Sukhoi combo to this number. That makes over 43 squadrons considering 16 planes per squadron.

Now, since we have the deals in place for 43 squadrons, my question was why do we need 400 planes "MORE".

 

[pmaitra]

My total was in response to the article's part where it claims that we have 33 squadrons. And I added the 192 LCA + Sukhoi combo to this number. That makes over 43 squadrons considering 16 planes per squadron.

Now, since we have the deals in place for 43 squadrons, my question was why do we need 400 planes "MORE".

I took the number of planes in a squadron at 16. Actually, it varies between 12 and 24 planes per squadron. Sometimes, it depends upon the type of aircraft. IAF MiG-21 squadron had 16 to 18 planes each. I don't know the numbers for all the classes. We will also be getting rid of (some already retired) our MiG-21s, MiG-23s, MiG-27s, Jaguars, and probably Mirage-2000s by 2030. So, we will have gaps.

 

[Kshatriya87]

I took the number of planes in a squadron at 16. Actually, it varies between 12 and 24 planes per squadron. Sometimes, it depends upon the type of aircraft. IAF MiG-21 squadron had 16 to 18 planes each. I don't know the numbers for all the classes. We will also be getting rid of (some already retired) our MiG-21s, MiG-23s, MiG-27s, Jaguars, and probably Mirage-2000s by 2030. So, we will have gaps.

Yes. If we can get those numbers of old aircrafts, we will know what we need by 2030.

On a separate note: China has almost concluded its negotiations for Su-35 with Russia in addition to S400s.

 

[WolfPack86]

400 More Fighter Jets In IAF’s Vision 2030

 

[Neelkanth]

SEPECAT Jaguar : 145 , Dassault Mirage 2000 : 51 Mikoyan MiG-29 : 60 (All retd 2030 ) = 256

Mig 21 : 132 (remaining, retd by 2022) + MiG-27: 120 (2018 retd) = 252

Needed 43*18 (median Strength)= 774

Su 30 = 272 (502 remain)
Rafale = 36 (466 remain)
Tejas = 100 (366 remain on 2022 still a shortage of 110 birds if we add all those retiring by 2030)

 

[Kshatriya87]

SEPECAT Jaguar : 145 , Dassault Mirage 2000 : 51 Mikoyan MiG-29 : 60 (All retd 2030 ) = 256

Mig 21 : 132 (remaining, retd by 2022) + MiG-27: 120 (2018 retd) = 252

Needed 43*18 (median Strength)= 774

Su 30 = 272 (502 remain)
Rafale = 36 (466 remain)
Tejas = 100 (366 remain on 2022 still a shortage of 110 birds if we add all those retiring by 2030)

Thanks. Where did you get these numbers?

 

[WolfPack86]

Lockheed Eyes Tata to Help Land Next Big India Jet Deal

 

[Neelkanth]

Thanks. Where did you get these numbers?

These number are as they stand today and the projected that are certain to come in service (Eg. Su 240+ are in service but they will end up at 270 is certain more than that though a possibility is uncertain, Rafale 36 is certain beyond that is uncertain). I have left out Unconfirmed numbers, which if taken in to account the entire point goes in to hypothesis.

A minor Correction Though Jags and Mig 29s, may live well beyond 2030.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I want improved Gripen NG Class tejas in that role. GE 414 EPE engine. 15.5 M Long (Derived from Naval LCA MK 2). 7 Ton Payload, Weight <7 ton. Sensor fusion and 360* coverate . Most advance AESA or PAKFA like radar. Hyper sonic missiles which can shoot down even incoming Ato A Missile. Highest speed Mach 2.25+. Range 2500 to 3000 KM without drop tank and 5000 KM with drop tanks.

 

[Mahakaal]

Kis pad se ye log 400 fighters ko todenge ?

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[HariPrasad-1]

I want one Like Naval variant of tejas MK2. 15m+ length. GE EPE 116 KN engine. Weight <7 tons, Load carrying 7 tons. Super cruise. Speed Mach 2+. Top in the class AESA and A to A Missile. Fuel 3500 KG+. Range 2700 KM +. Sensor fusion. All MMRCA capabilities like Gripen NG.

The great advantage of this sort of plane is that it may substitute many twin engine fighters in many roles. This a great saving and very low life cycle cost for plane. Imagine a derivative of Naval tejas MK2 for airforce. Range of 2700 KM and speed of mach 2. It may a worthy substitute of MKI in many roles. Very low cost of operation. It can accomplish many mission of MMRCA.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

If we can reduce some 500 KG from Tajas Mk1 and bring in 8% aerodynamic improvement as promised, We can make a winner. All this is promised in MK1+.