3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against China

[hit&run]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

What a waste, if one is that desperate then he should take his oppressors down first. But then they have religious inaccuracies to follow.

 

[rock127]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

These self-immolator monks seems to be REALLY STUPID if they think they would be able to get their motherland Tibet back from OPPRESSOR CHINA.If they thinking putting themselves on fire would melt the non-existent hearts of CHINESE they they are wasting their god-gifted bodies nothing else.

Chinese doesn't give a flying F for these stupid monks.If Tibetians are really serious then they need to leave this stupid gandhigiri and do something concrete.

Also I think we are wasting our time and resources on ALL the exiled and refugees who are good for nothing but just proving to be parasites on Indian economy.

 

[nimo_cn]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

I really feel sad, their families must be devastated by such a tragic loss!

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[s002wjh]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

Self immolation is not terrorism, nor extremism.

It is a mode of protest, pacifist protest without resorting to violence or destruction of public property.

Such a desperate act has merit from a Buddhist point of view. It is a deed of self-sacrifice for the good of others. The act is something similar to Buddha, who in one of his incarnations offered his body as food for a hungry tigress.

i would say its extremism, they are taking their own live, leave their love one behind. saw an article a mother of four tibetan woman did the same, what happen to the duty of been a mother. sucide just because china won't allow worship of dali lama is not worth it in my opinion, and its not gonna change anything

 

[s002wjh]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

These self-immolator monks seems to be REALLY STUPID if they think they would be able to get their motherland Tibet back from OPPRESSOR CHINA.If they thinking putting themselves on fire would melt the non-existent hearts of CHINESE they they are wasting their god-gifted bodies nothing else.

Chinese doesn't give a flying F for these stupid monks.If Tibetians are really serious then they need to leave this stupid gandhigiri and do something concrete.

Also I think we are wasting our time and resources on ALL the exiled and refugees who are good for nothing but just proving to be parasites on Indian economy.

so if some american indian start flame themself, you think we will give their land back? it has nothing to do with "non-existent hearts". chinese just like people elsewhere, beside not all tibetan feel the same as those who kill themself.

 

[dhananjay1]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

Look at chinese commies talking language of Jihadis and crusaders. Communism is just another form of abrahamic mental illness, Mao was just being a retard when he was spouting nonsense like "religion is poison" and other Marxist codswallop, he didn't know he was just another deranged Jihadi.

 

[sorcerer]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

They installed a new religion called communism.- Its more profitable.

 

[ice berg]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

Dont know where you received your education. But they have failed you miserably.

USSR, China and India all practiced some form of failed socialisme. None of them were ever communisme in the strict sense.

 

[mylegend]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

Idol worship has to be understood.

It is the same thing as ancestor worship that you hero Confucius advocated.

It is only those who are of very high intellect who can delve in the ethereal.

For the common man, who in those days, were illiterate, a symbol was required to concentrate one's feeling.

Hence, idols and symbols came handy.

Every religion including those who abhor idolatry have symbols call them idols if you will.

The Cross or the Kaaba, towards which one has to prostrate.

For the Chinese it was Ancester worship or 敬祖; (jìngzÇ”), the yin component, po (é­„), is associated with the grave, and the yang component, hun (é­‚), is associated with ancestral tablets"‰.

When Mao came, he was the God figure and you all worshipped him.

And now you all are running to find God becoming the fastest growing Christiandom in the world, though never forgetting that Money is your REAL GOD!

So., as the Americans say - don't get cute!

You can retain your view for idol worshiping. However, Idol worshiping serve no meaning and is plainly primitive. Christians see Cross as a symbol of suffering of Christ. Christians do not worship the cross. Christians do not seek salvation from the cross. What they practice is the way the Christianity. Real Christians go to Sunday service and read their Bible. I do not see as much problem with Christians because they for the very least read the Bible. Most Buddhists believers just worship an idol.

Ancestor worship is not what you are talking about. It is a way to pay respect to your elders and deceased family member. It is based on believe system that there is an underworld that you wish they could live happily there and hope they will protect and bless you. Idol worshiper worship only the idol. It is different.

As far as I am concern, those self immolator violated their religious principle by living their life fill with desire. You must be joking if you argue original Buddhism do not preach the abandonment of desire. You much be joking to argue Buddhism do not preach desire to be source of all misery.

 

[mikhail]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

Ok, the root cause is now identified. That spiritual opium imported from India is poisoning Chinese minds and incompatible with Chinese culture (un-China)!

As I said long time back - dump the cultural trash back (dharma or karma, samsara or nirvana ,whatever) to India.

What is Chinese traditional belief? See what Confucius teaches - 身体发肤，受之父母，不敢毁伤，孝之始也。立身行道，扬名于后世，以显父母，孝之终也。

The first part literally to the effect -
"I dare not hurt my body, hair and skin which were from my parents. Such a (mentality) is the beginning of filial piety (Xiao)".
......................... "Xiao Jing" (Principles of Filial Obedience )

Enough is enough, time to put an end to the Un-Chinese nonsense like "self emolition"!

what can we expect from a Godless bunch of CPC brainwashers like you!Tibet and India shares an unique culture for the past thousand years.heck some of the holiest places of Hinduism is located in Tibet.
if a person put faith onto some religion that doesn't mean that he/she is an extremist or fundamentalist.Tibetian people are known worldwide as a race of non-violent people unlike the Han chinese and those persons didn't cause a single act of terrorism as far as "Terrorism" is defined in the present world scenario.on the contrary they sacrificed their lives for the sake of their Motherland!any person who acts like that is far braver than the most of us.Period!

 

[mylegend]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

So you are agreeing to the fact that Chinese Rule=Chinese Oppression?

Ad hominem attacks indeed, no where in my statement link to this conclusion. Ad hominema is a classic logical fallacy not a true logical argument. If you want to argue, debate point by point, finding flaws in opponent's argument instead of using logical fallacy. Prove other wrong with logic and fact instead of ranting.

I do not agree with Chinese rule is type of oppression in Tibet, the self-immolator do, so they kill themselves. By the way, you do not see any middle class Tibetans choose this path, those people who suicides may suicide anyway because they are losers. Only losers choose to suicide,or revenge against society. Even without Dalai Lama, they have higher likelihood of suicide. However, they know suicide is a wrong thing to do, they know their death is going cause pain to their family, so they justify suicide with a so call greater cause. Yet, what they do not know is so call greater cause would not make a mother happier. So-call greater cause will only satisfy their own circle. As long as economy progresses and more Tibetan enjoys comfortable lifestyle, those extremists will disappear by itself.

 

[civfanatic]

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I must agree with you, Buddhism has done so much damage to China in the Chinese History. The monks do not work for a day in their life, pay no taxes, and base their living as biggest land lords. They instill pessimism into the original more progressive Chinese culture. They told the Chinese not to fight the mongol and helped Mongol to justify their slaughters and massacre. Buddhism have done great job helping nomads invader securing their rule to abuse the natives.

That is incorrect. If you know Chinese history, the Red Turban Rebellion which overthrew Yuan Dynasty (Mongols) was instigated by the White Lotus Society, a Buddhist order. Zhu Yuanzhang, the peasant rebel who founded Ming Dynasty and became the future Hongwu emperor, was a Buddhist monk. He was the leader of the resistance against Mongols.

Another point I want to bring is most of modern Chinese Buddhists are basically idol worshiper, they have never read any religious classic and yet they call themselves Buddhists, how funny.

Yes, I agree with this. Real Buddhism is not even a "religion". There is no God(s) and no worship.

 

[mylegend]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

That is incorrect. If you know Chinese history, the Red Turban Rebellion which overthrew Yuan Dynasty (Mongols) was instigated by the White Lotus Society, a Buddhist order. Zhu Yuanzhang, the peasant rebel who founded Ming Dynasty and became the future Hongwu emperor, was a Buddhist monk. He was the leader of the resistance against Mongols.




Yes, I agree with this. Real Buddhism is not even a "religion". There is no God(s) and no worship.

White Lotus Society was a cult based on desperate peasants. It is not a mainstream of Buddhism, you will find out if you do more research. The major temple have help the Mongol. However, the suffering and humiliation was so great, that people turn away from it. Zhu Yuanzhang was a monk because the temple provided him food and living otherwise he might starve to death due Yuan's harsh rule.

Yes, I agree Buddhism is mostly a way to live. I do believe Buddhism to be a religion, due to the fact they do follow certain guideline and they have their own explanation of the universe we live in. For me, my believe is anyone who do not understand or do not try to understand the meaning of their own faith are idol worshiper. As a Christian, you must read the Bible. As a Muslim, you must read the Koran.

I also believe worshiper should also adopt to the society we live in. Fundamentalism is always an evil in modern society.

 

[mylegend]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

Your interpretation.

I gave the interpretation with links.

The act of self immolation of the Buddhists is no fort self, but for community good.

Buddha himself was ready to give himself up for a hungry tigress!

So find a link to prove Buddhism are not against desire and argue Buddhism do not state desire are the source misery. I'm not the one created the theory that Buddhism is against desire.

 

[mylegend]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

what can we expect from a Godless bunch of CPC brainwashers like you!Tibet and India shares an unique culture for the past thousand years.heck some of the holiest places of Hinduism is located in Tibet.
if a person put faith onto some religion that doesn't mean that he/she is an extremist or fundamentalist.Tibetian people are known worldwide as a race of non-violent people unlike the Han chinese and those persons didn't cause a single act of terrorism as far as "Terrorism" is defined in the present world scenario.on the contrary they sacrificed their lives for the sake of their Motherland!any person who acts like that is far braver than the most of us.Period!

First sentence of your reply is a personal attack direct against another member instead of replying to other's post. So this is a way for you to make an argument, and this is how Indian teach debate an University? What an advance civilization.

 

[Ray]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

i would say its extremism, they are taking their own live, leave their love one behind. saw an article a mother of four tibetan woman did the same, what happen to the duty of been a mother. sucide just because china won't allow worship of dali lama is not worth it in my opinion, and its not gonna change anything

One has to understand the concept of dharma and karma to realise the reason why such acts are done.

These acts may appear out of sync with modern thinking, but those who are deep in spiritualism are beyond the realm of the contemporary thinking!

Therefore, it is not extremism.

Suppression and extermination of an ethnic identity some would take it as been extremism and even terrorism.

 

[sorcerer]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

Ad hominem attacks indeed, no where in my statement link to this conclusion. Ad hominema is a classic logical fallacy not a true logical argument. If you want to argue, debate point by point, finding flaws in opponent's argument instead of using logical fallacy. Prove other wrong with logic and fact instead of ranting.

I do not agree with Chinese rule is type of oppression in Tibet, the self-immolator do, so they kill themselves. By the way, you do not see any middle class Tibetans choose this path, those people who suicides may suicide anyway because they are losers. Only losers choose to suicide,or revenge against society. Even without Dalai Lama, they have higher likelihood of suicide. However, they know suicide is a wrong thing to do, they know their death is going cause pain to their family, so they justify suicide with a so call greater cause. Yet, what they do not know is so call greater cause would not make a mother happier. So-call greater cause will only satisfy their own circle. As long as economy progresses and more Tibetan enjoys comfortable lifestyle, those extremists will disappear by itself.

I compared your argument with the title of the thread.
Btw, rules of engagement and logic applies to those who respect agreements.I dont see that in your case.

 

[asianobserve]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

The Dhalai Lama needs to return to Tibet and lead a Gandhi-like passive resistance movement against China's imperialism. These self-immolations are a waste of bodies that should otherwise be helping organize a movement against China.

 

[Ray]

Re: 3 Tibetans Commit Self-Immolation In China Protesting Against Chin

The Dhalai Lama needs to return to Tibet and lead a Gandhi-like passive resistance movement against China's imperialism. This is where India can support Tibet.

He will vanish into thin air if he returns.

The same way the actual Panchan Lama selected by the Tibetans has vanished into thin air!

 

[asianobserve]

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He will vanish into thin air if he returns.

The same way the actual Panchan Lama selected by the Tibetans has vanished into thin air!

Of course that is expected. But that should be part of the strategy, if the Dalai Lama is imprisoned or killed that would agitate the Tibetans more and make a martyr out of him.