2G Scam Tapes:Listen to Traitors who Sold out India!!

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    Taped Leaks.

    There definitely seems to be a bug in the air.

    Last week, Outlook reported on how using new technology, the government could - and was - eavesdropping into the conversations of important political leaders without needing legal authorisation

    Yesterday, the Pioneer (Pioneer has either taken down this story or their servers have crashed giving alternate link)reported that by "authorised tapping of telephones of several persons, including Nira Radia, who runs several public relations and consultancy companies — like Vaishnavi Corporate Consultants, Noesis Strategic Consulting Services, Vitcom Consulting and Neucom Consulting", the government had "unearthed damning evidence of wheeling-dealing in the spectrum scam" involving telecom minister A. Raja. The finance ministry has since issued a denial.

    Today, in the MiD-DaY, quoting perhaps from the same set of documents that had been doing the rounds for months in Delhi, and had been the basis of the Pioneer report, J. Dey reported:

    “The documents talk about individuals influencing policy changes at the highest level. It also says that two senior journalists—one a well-known anchor of a national television channel and the other a former editor, columnist and TV personality—lobbied on behalf of industrialists to secure ministerial berths for friendly politicians.”

    Meanwhile, late last night The Hindu first put up a 14-page document (link has been taken down) , which seemed to be the basis of the Pioneer story, which had been doing the rounds earlier, and then took it off with the following clarification:

    A press release on the 2G scam was issued by AIADMK leader Jayalalithaa in Chennai on April 28, 2010. The Hindu is unable to verify the authenticity of a 14-page document purporting to be an official account of intercepted phone conversations and is, therefore, taking it off its website.

    The same unverified document downloaded from the Hindu had apparently also been put up on at least one Scribd account [the settings have since been changed to private] with some excitement on Twitter [eg here and here and here]. One of the journalists whose name had been mentioned in the unauthenticated document and who had rubbished the charges last night has since clarified with more details after the report was taken off by the Hindu:

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    Postscript: April 30: The DNA newspaper summarises the spectrum controversy, seemingly based on the same impugned document that remains unauthenticated and unofficial and had been taken off by the Hindu from its website:

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    Tata Sons, represented by Neera Radia, have issued a press statement through her agency Neucom Consulting.

    “The Tata group has had a long and fruitful association with Vaishnavi Corporate Communications and its chairperson Ms Niira Radia, which has added substantial value to the group’s communications and public perception.

    “All of Vaishnavi’s interactions with the government on behalf of the Tata group have been related to seeking a level playing field and equity in areas where vested interests have caused distortions or aberrations in policy.

    “Further Vaishnavi’s interactions with the Government on behalf of the Tata group, have, in keeping with Tata values, never involved payouts or seeking undue favors.”

    http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&eid=31&pid=2235

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    Attached with this article Taped Conversations between Radia and Dutt
     

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    TAPPED and TRAPPED

    J Gopikrishnan | New Delhi, Pioneer, Wednesday, April 28, 2010

    Govt taps PR honcho's phone, gets clinching evidence against Raja

    The cat is finally out of the bag. The CBI has acquired clinching evidence showing that a high-profile woman public relations lobbyist acted as powerbroker in the mutli-crore 2G spectrum scam and that she was in regular touch with Telecom Minister A Raja.

    The investigating agency unearthed damning evidence of wheeling-dealing in the spectrum scam by authorised tapping of telephones of several persons, including Nira Radia, who runs several public relations and consultancy companies — like Vaishnavi Corporate Consultants, Noesis Strategic Consulting Services, Vitcom Consulting and Neucom Consulting.

    All these companies are filled with retired bureaucrats, who ostensibly lobby with the Government on behalf of different companies. Radia is an NRI, who landed in India in early 2000 for some liaison work for aviation companies. Of the nine companies that benefited from the dubious spectrum allocation by Raja, the CBI found that four companies were "serviced" by Radia.

    Highly-placed sources said the CBI was denied permission by top authorities to interrogate Radia even though the telephone intercepts clearly exposed her role in the scam, which cost an estimated Rs 1,00,000 crore to the exchequer.

    A communication between the Income Tax Department and the CBI shows that nine phone lines were tapped by the I-T Department's investigation wing. The first phase of 120 days of tapping started on August 20, 2008, and the second phase of 180 days on May 11, 2009.

    Sources in the CBI said that in addition to Radia's, the telephone lines of several other influential businessmen, politicians and advertising professionals were tapped for uncovering the extent of lobbying in the scam.

    Sources said that the first-phase conversation tapping, lasting 120 days, exposed the parking of ill-gotten money from the spectrum scam in the form of real estate holdings, company shares and derivates within the country and in tax havens like Mauritius.

    Documents available with The Pioneer show that Central Bureau of Investigation DIG Vineet Agarwal had on November 16, 2009, sought call detail records of Nira Radia from Director General of Income Tax (Investigation) Milap Jain. "It has been reliably learnt that certain middlemen, including one Ms Nira Radia of M/s Noesis Consultancy, were actively involved in the above-mentioned (spectrum scam) criminal conspiracy," Agarwal's letter to Jain, seeking the detailed call records, stated.

    On November 20, 2009, as per Jain's instructions, Joint Director of Income Tax Ashish Abrol provided the details of conversation between Radia and key players in the spectrum scam, including A Raja.

    "There are some direct conversations between Ms Radia and the Telecom Minister. In some other conservations, Ms Radia boasts of having helped some of the telecom operators in their efforts to obtain licences/spectrums. Ms Radia has also been in regular touch with Shri Chandolia," confirmed Abrol to the CBI. RK Chandolia was Raja's private secretary during the time of spectrum allocation and has since been elevated as an economic adviser in the Department of Telecommunication.

    "On the basis of specific information received from CBDT, the telephone lines of Ms Nira Radia and some of her associates were put under observation after obtaining permission from the Home Secretary," Abrol wrote to Agarwal in a letter, marked "Strictly confidential and top secret".

    "The intercept provides the conversation of the target and associates indicating laundering and structured payoffs, transactions and liaison for projects of telecom, petroleum and also the media," the I-T Department communication to the CBI stated.

    Radia's companies are involved in consulting in telecom, power, aviation and infrastructure. These entities not only managed the media but, as per the recorded conversations, apparently tried to influence policy changes and decisions of various Government departments to suit the commercial requirements of their clients, confirmed the Income Tax Department's investigation wing to the CBI after analysing the telephone conservations.

    "From these conversations, it appears that Ms Nira Radia might have had some role with regards to the award of telecom licences. In a conversation, she guided a new telecom operator on the need to delay the inflow of funds from the overseas investor and not to give the impression to the Government that there has been any 'windfall' profit," the letter added.

    In the conversation details available with The Pioneer, Radia was talking about arranging huge money from abroad for Unitech Wireless, which is a major beneficiary in the spectrum scam.

    According to CBI sources, Radia got information about the agency's moves against her from her vast network in the South and North Blocks and left for London in February to avoid arrest for criminal conspiracy in the spectrum scam.

    "The detailed telephone transcripts of Radia clearly show how our politicians and bureaucrats were hand in glove with the corporates in looting the public exchequer," a top CBI official said.

    http://www.dailypioneer.com/252253/TAPPED-and-TRAPPED.html
     
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    Phonegate: India Inc tapped?

    Copy of a purportedly leaked report says conversations of topmost industrialists, two senior journalists, were tapped with home secretary's permission

    Politicians may not be the only ones whose phones are being tapped. Government agencies seem to be eavesdropping on the biggest names of corporate India. A 2009 report drags a few senior journalists into the controversy as well.

    After the sensational expos © by Outlook magazine which had Parliament in a twist, MiD DAY has got copies of confidential papers ostensibly leaked from the CBI and Income Tax files. These indicate that the government has been keeping a tab on conversations of India's foremost industrialists like Ratan Tata, Mukesh Ambani and Sunil Mittal.

    The contents of the conversations, according to these papers, touch upon some of the highest profile corporate cases -- from telecom licences to Nano shifting from Singur to Gujarat.

    The main target of tapping seems to be Nira Radia, head of Vaishnavi Communications and Neucomm Consulting, which handle media and other corporate affairs for powerful clients like Tata and Mukesh Ambani. The papers say phones of Radia and her associates were kept under observation.

    And all of it was apparently done with permission from the home secretary.

    According to the copy of a letter dated November 20, 2009 [file no: DGIT (Inv)DB/INT/09-10], Joint Director of Income Tax Ashish Abrol wrote to Deputy Inspector General of Police posted with the CBI Vineet Agarwal: "On the basis of specific information received from the CBDT [Central Board of Direct Taxes], the telephone lines of Ms Radia and some of her associates were put under observation after obtaining permission from the home secretary."

    Union Home Secretary GK Pillai yesterday accepted that the taps could have happened.

    "This could have happened. Requests for phone-tapping from agencies like CBDT, Intelligence Bureau and Directorate of Revenue Intelligence come to the union home secretary's office," he said. "There is nothing illegal about it because the cases are related to evasion of tax, falsification of documents etc. We go into the reasons why the phones are needed to be tapped before allowing it."

    He said phone taps were sanctioned for 60 days. If the agency came back with a request for further tapping, another 60 days of surveillance was granted, he said.

    "I don't have the documents with me right now, but even if I have, I would not like to talk about it," said Vineet Agarwal, now DIG, Andamans.

    CBDT, however, said phones of influential businessmen, professionals and advertising professionals were not tapped.

    "The I-T department does not intercept telephonic conversations except as authorised under the law. The provision is used in rare and exceptional cases of suspected fraud/evasion involving security of the state," it said.

    The documents talk about individuals influencing policy changes at the highest level. It also says that two senior journalists -- one a well-known anchor of a national channel and the other a former editor, columnist and TV personality -- lobbied on behalf of industrialists to secure ministerial berths for friendly politicians.

    While touching a range of issues, the papers quote from conversations of Ratan Tata, Mukesh Ambani and Sunil Mittal.

    An RIL spokesperson said that the media should refer to the Press Information Bureau press note which said no phone had been tapped. We contacted Sunil Mittal's PR but could not get a reaction.

    Radia did not respond to an e-mail from MiD DAY asking her response to her or her clients Tata and Ambani's phones supposedly being tapped.

    http://www.mid-day.com/news/2010/ap...ort-ratan-tata-mukesh-ambani-sunil-mittal.htm
     
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    All this would mean nothing if we cant see the tape!
     
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    As talks between the DMK and Congress (‘them’) broke down over joining the Government in May 2009, Radia was actively involved in opening channels between the two parties through, among others, television journalist Barkha Dutt.....

    Transcript


    “Oh God. So now what? What should I tell them? Tell me what should I tell them?” —BARKHA DUTT

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 09:48:51

    RADIA: Hi, did I wake you up?

    BARKHA: No, no, no. I’ve been up, ya, most of the night. The stalemate continues, yaa.

    RADIA: Yeah. Listen, the thing is that they need to talk to him directly. That is what the problem is.

    BARKHA: Haan so, apparently PM’s really pissed off that they went public.

    RADIA: But that’s Baalu’s doing, naa… he was not instructed by Karunanidhi to do that.

    BARKHA: Oh, he wasn’t?

    RADIA: This is not. He was told to come away and tell Congress that.

    BARKHA: And he went public

    RADIA: Well, the media… media, the media was standing outside.

    BARKHA: Oh God. So now what? What should I tell them? Tell me what should I tell them?

    RADIA: I’ll tell you what it is—the problem and I have had a long chat with both his wife and with the daughter right

    …

    BARKHA: Haan, haan.

    RADIA: The problem is if the Congress has a problem with Baalu, if they have no problem with anyone. They need and go talk to Karunanidhi. They have very good relationship with Karunanidhi directly.

    BARKHA: Correct, haan.

    RADIA: Because you see, in front of Baalu, in front of Maran, they can’t talk.

    BARKHA: Yeah

    RADIA: So they have to tell him directly, there [are] enough Congress leaders in Tamil Nadu. They need to go in and tell him exactly—the biggest problem is that the following of Alagiri is saying that you cannot give [inaudible] a cabinet [inaudible] and keep Alagiri in the MoS state.

    BARKHA: That’s right. But will Karuna drop Baalu?

    RADIA: He… look, if you tell him that Baalu is the only problem. I would imagine, he will drop him.

    BARKHA: But you see the problem right now is also over the choice of portfolios, naa…

    RADIA: No. They’ve not said anything. The portfolios have not even got discussed.

    BARKHA: Congress claims, for whatever it’s worth, that the DMK wanted surface transport, power, IT, telecom, railways and health.

    …

    RADIA: You see, you see my honest advice…

    BARKHA: Yeah.

    RADIA: ..is that you tell them that they need to tell him directly that we are happy because Kani’s [Kanimozhi, DMK Chief Karunanidhi’s daughter] got no issue being about independent. But Alagiri is now telling her that you cannot take an independent charge if Maran remains cabinet minister.

    BARKHA: I see.

    RADIA: And Congress is sending messages through media and through various sources, saying that. And Maran is telling everyone that he is the only acceptable person.

    BARKHA: Person, yeah, yeah, yeah. That I know.

    RADIA: But that’s not correct, naa?

    BARKHA: No, I know. We’ve taken that off. We’ve taken that off.

    …

    BARKHA: Also, but, but the Congress needs to tell Karunanidhi that we have not said anything about Maran.

    BARKHA: Okay. Let me talk to them again.

    RADIA: Yeah? The choice of candidate we will leave to you. We have some reservation about Baalu. And let them tell the reservation. And we have not said anything about Maran. We are not talking

    +++

    In another telecon, Barkha Dutt offers Niira Radia the assurance that she is on the job as a reliable go-between

    “That’s not a problem, I’ll talk to Azad. I’ll talk to Azad right after I get out of RCR” —BARKHA DUTT

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 10:47:33

    BARKHA: Haan, Niira?

    RADIA: Barkha, what I’m told is that the Congress yesterday, apparently, God knows who they are talking to in the DMK.

    BARKHA: Haan, well must be Maran…

    RADIA: Relayed—no, they relayed that the infrastructure portfolio should not be given to Maran or Baalu.

    BARKHA: No, that’s because they want to keep it for themselves.

    RADIA: No, they wanted to; they didn’t want any infrastructure, that’s what Prime Minister said, so he said that’s why they give him labour, fertiliser, chemical—and telecom, IT, they said for Raja. So what has happened is, is that message not relayed to Karunanidhi?

    BARKHA: Oh I see!

    RADIA: They might have told some minion down the line or told Maran who is not relaying the truth.

    BARKHA: I think they have told Maran.

    RADIA: Yeah, now what they need to do is, they need to speak to Kani so she can set up the discussion with her father, because even the Prime Minister’s discussion was … she was the one who’s translating, and it was a very brief discussion for two minutes.

    BARKHA: Okay.

    RADIA: That we’ll try and work it out, and the let’s not you know take it a hasty easy decision. That’s the type of conversation that happened.

    BARKHA: No, I’ll set it up as soon as they get out of RCR.

    RADIA: What she saying is that, you know, that someone senior like Ghulam [Nabi Azad, senior Congress leader]—because he is the one who is authorised to speak. ….

    BARKHA: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    RADIA: Right? Was to speak to her then she can tell her father that I have got this message from the Congress.

    BARKHA: Theek hai, not a problem. That’s not a problem, I’ll talk to Azad—I’ll talk to Azad right after I get out of RCR [Race Course Road, presumably, the PM’s residence].

    RADIA: Yeah, and then she said when father lands, I can speak to him.

    BARKHA: Okay.

    +++

    The two conversationalists touch base again

    “I’ve had a long chat, I had a long chat, and they promised me that Azad will speak to her” —BARKHA DUTT

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 15:31:29

    RADIA: They will speak to her?

    BARKHA: Yeah.

    RADIA: Who? Ghulam?

    BARKHA: Ghulam. Yeah.

    RADIA: You know, the problem is she’s catching a flight at five haan, going back. Dayanidhi Maran is attending the swearing in when only Raja has been authorised to attend, so he’s gone and told his leader that Ahmed Patel has told me especially to attend the swearing in.

    BARKHA: Ahmed says this is rubbish …

    RADIA: But I am telling you but this. Karunanidhi’s very confused.

    BARKHA: No, but why can’t Kani stay also and attend it?

    RADIA: She doesn’t want to attend no because her father told her to come back. She has to follow what she’s father says, no. Call Ghulam then.

    BARKHA: Let me call him.

    RADIA: She’s leaving at five. She’s catching a flight at five.

    +++

    Niira Radia and Barkha Dutt discuss cabinet composition possibilities—with Raja’s inclusion or non-inclusion the big question

    “I am telling you, nahin hai. Trust me. Nahin hai” —NIIRA RADIA

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME time 18:09:06

    BARKHA: No, you see Congress’s condition is Baalu should not get surface transport. Not Baalu, DMK should not get surface transport, beyond individuals right?

    RADIA: Correct, correct, and they are not individuals. Let me tell you one thing’s for sure, 3 plus 4 was yesterday; because of Maran, they wanted to make it 4 plus 3.

    BARKHA: Okay!

    RADIA: So, now it is back to 3 plus 4 that was already worked on the table?

    BARKHA: No, so why does this formula not sound right then?

    RADIA: Because of Alagiri naa, if you make Alagiri… not cabinet. No, he’s not got cabinet.

    BARKHA: Oh, Alagiri got what, according to these things?

    RADIA: You see, according to her, he’s got Health, but he can’t be cabinet. Either Maran is not cabinet, either Raja is not cabinet or Baalu’s not.

    BARKHA: Alagiri’s got Health and that’s a big compromise by Congress because they said we won’t give them Health. So that’s their face saver. No, but Alagiri, Health can be cabinet?

    RADIA: Agreed, but then Raja is MoS.

    BARKHA: Raja is MoS!

    RADIA: Then is Baalu MoS?

    BARKHA: Nahin ho sakta. Nahin, nahin, nahin, if Baalu gets the Heavy Industries and Alagiri is in the Fertiliser, according to …. Baalu gets Fertilizer; Alagiri gets this thing, Health.

    RADIA: Maran gets Telecom and IT.

    BARKHA: Maran gets Telecom and IT. Raja gets demoted.

    RADIA: Who gets…?

    BARKHA: Raja. Nahin hoga?

    RADIA: I am telling you nahin hai (laughing). Trust me, nahin hai.

    BARKHA: Achcha, theek hai.

    +++

    In yet another telecon, Barkha Dutt explains her situation to Niira Radia

    “Everybody I know in the Congress was at the swearing-in, so I haven’t been able to speak with the top guys, and now I just finished and I am going to make my set of calls” BARKHA DUTT

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 19:23:57

    BARKHA: You see, what happened was everybody I know in the Congress was at the swearing in, so I haven’t been able to speak with the top guys, and now I just finished and I am going to make my set of calls.

    RADIA: Kani just landed in Chennai. Just now. I just spoke…

    BARKHA: Where is Daya? Where is Maran?

    RADIA: Daya didn’t turn up for the swearing in because he was called back, because he went and told Karunanidhi that I have been asked by Ahmed Patel to come for the swearing in. But the leader said then you join the Congress.

    BARKHA: (laughs) So now?

    RADIA: So Raja was the only one who’s authorised to attend which he’s done and Raja’s catching the 8:40 flight…

    BARKHA: Okay
     
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    Transcript of Dutt-Radia

    As talks between the DMK and Congress (‘them’) broke down over joining the Government in May 2009, Radia was actively involved in opening channels between the two parties through, among others, television journalist Barkha Dutt

    “Oh God. So now what? What should I tell them? Tell me what should I tell them?” —BARKHA DUTT

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 09:48:51

    RADIA: Hi, did I wake you up?

    BARKHA: No, no, no. I’ve been up, ya, most of the night. The stalemate continues, yaa.

    RADIA: Yeah. Listen, the thing is that they need to talk to him directly. That is what the problem is.

    BARKHA: Haan so, apparently PM’s really pissed off that they went public.

    RADIA: But that’s Baalu’s doing, naa… he was not instructed by Karunanidhi to do that.

    BARKHA: Oh, he wasn’t?

    RADIA: This is not. He was told to come away and tell Congress that.

    BARKHA: And he went public

    RADIA: Well, the media… media, the media was standing outside.

    BARKHA: Oh God. So now what? What should I tell them? Tell me what should I tell them?

    RADIA: I’ll tell you what it is—the problem and I have had a long chat with both his wife and with the daughter right

    …

    BARKHA: Haan, haan.

    RADIA: The problem is if the Congress has a problem with Baalu, if they have no problem with anyone. They need and go talk to Karunanidhi. They have very good relationship with Karunanidhi directly.

    BARKHA: Correct, haan.

    RADIA: Because you see, in front of Baalu, in front of Maran, they can’t talk.

    BARKHA: Yeah

    RADIA: So they have to tell him directly, there [are] enough Congress leaders in Tamil Nadu. They need to go in and tell him exactly—the biggest problem is that the following of Alagiri is saying that you cannot give [inaudible] a cabinet [inaudible] and keep Alagiri in the MoS state.

    BARKHA: That’s right. But will Karuna drop Baalu?

    RADIA: He… look, if you tell him that Baalu is the only problem. I would imagine, he will drop him.

    BARKHA: But you see the problem right now is also over the choice of portfolios, naa…

    RADIA: No. They’ve not said anything. The portfolios have not even got discussed.

    BARKHA: Congress claims, for whatever it’s worth, that the DMK wanted surface transport, power, IT, telecom, railways and health.

    …

    RADIA: You see, you see my honest advice…

    BARKHA: Yeah.

    RADIA: ..is that you tell them that they need to tell him directly that we are happy because Kani’s [Kanimozhi, DMK Chief Karunanidhi’s daughter] got no issue being about independent. But Alagiri is now telling her that you cannot take an independent charge if Maran remains cabinet minister.

    BARKHA: I see.

    RADIA: And Congress is sending messages through media and through various sources, saying that. And Maran is telling everyone that he is the only acceptable person.

    BARKHA: Person, yeah, yeah, yeah. That I know.

    RADIA: But that’s not correct, naa?

    BARKHA: No, I know. We’ve taken that off. We’ve taken that off.

    …

    BARKHA: Also, but, but the Congress needs to tell Karunanidhi that we have not said anything about Maran.

    BARKHA: Okay. Let me talk to them again.

    RADIA: Yeah? The choice of candidate we will leave to you. We have some reservation about Baalu. And let them tell the reservation. And we have not said anything about Maran. We are not talking

    +++

    In another telecon, Barkha Dutt offers Niira Radia the assurance that she is on the job as a reliable go-between

    “That’s not a problem, I’ll talk to Azad. I’ll talk to Azad right after I get out of RCR” —BARKHA DUTT

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 10:47:33

    BARKHA: Haan, Niira?

    RADIA: Barkha, what I’m told is that the Congress yesterday, apparently, God knows who they are talking to in the DMK.

    BARKHA: Haan, well must be Maran…

    RADIA: Relayed—no, they relayed that the infrastructure portfolio should not be given to Maran or Baalu.

    BARKHA: No, that’s because they want to keep it for themselves.

    RADIA: No, they wanted to; they didn’t want any infrastructure, that’s what Prime Minister said, so he said that’s why they give him labour, fertiliser, chemical—and telecom, IT, they said for Raja. So what has happened is, is that message not relayed to Karunanidhi?

    BARKHA: Oh I see!

    RADIA: They might have told some minion down the line or told Maran who is not relaying the truth.

    BARKHA: I think they have told Maran.

    RADIA: Yeah, now what they need to do is, they need to speak to Kani so she can set up the discussion with her father, because even the Prime Minister’s discussion was … she was the one who’s translating, and it was a very brief discussion for two minutes.

    BARKHA: Okay.

    RADIA: That we’ll try and work it out, and the let’s not you know take it a hasty easy decision. That’s the type of conversation that happened.

    BARKHA: No, I’ll set it up as soon as they get out of RCR.

    RADIA: What she saying is that, you know, that someone senior like Ghulam [Nabi Azad, senior Congress leader]—because he is the one who is authorised to speak. ….

    BARKHA: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    RADIA: Right? Was to speak to her then she can tell her father that I have got this message from the Congress.

    BARKHA: Theek hai, not a problem. That’s not a problem, I’ll talk to Azad—I’ll talk to Azad right after I get out of RCR [Race Course Road, presumably, the PM’s residence].

    RADIA: Yeah, and then she said when father lands, I can speak to him.

    BARKHA: Okay.

    +++

    The two conversationalists touch base again

    “I’ve had a long chat, I had a long chat, and they promised me that Azad will speak to her” —BARKHA DUTT

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 15:31:29

    RADIA: They will speak to her?

    BARKHA: Yeah.

    RADIA: Who? Ghulam?

    BARKHA: Ghulam. Yeah.

    RADIA: You know, the problem is she’s catching a flight at five haan, going back. Dayanidhi Maran is attending the swearing in when only Raja has been authorised to attend, so he’s gone and told his leader that Ahmed Patel has told me especially to attend the swearing in.

    BARKHA: Ahmed says this is rubbish …

    RADIA: But I am telling you but this. Karunanidhi’s very confused.

    BARKHA: No, but why can’t Kani stay also and attend it?

    RADIA: She doesn’t want to attend no because her father told her to come back. She has to follow what she’s father says, no. Call Ghulam then.

    BARKHA: Let me call him.

    RADIA: She’s leaving at five. She’s catching a flight at five.

    +++

    Niira Radia and Barkha Dutt discuss cabinet composition possibilities—with Raja’s inclusion or non-inclusion the big question

    “I am telling you, nahin hai. Trust me. Nahin hai” —NIIRA RADIA

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME time 18:09:06

    BARKHA: No, you see Congress’s condition is Baalu should not get surface transport. Not Baalu, DMK should not get surface transport, beyond individuals right?

    RADIA: Correct, correct, and they are not individuals. Let me tell you one thing’s for sure, 3 plus 4 was yesterday; because of Maran, they wanted to make it 4 plus 3.

    BARKHA: Okay!

    RADIA: So, now it is back to 3 plus 4 that was already worked on the table?

    BARKHA: No, so why does this formula not sound right then?

    RADIA: Because of Alagiri naa, if you make Alagiri… not cabinet. No, he’s not got cabinet.

    BARKHA: Oh, Alagiri got what, according to these things?

    RADIA: You see, according to her, he’s got Health, but he can’t be cabinet. Either Maran is not cabinet, either Raja is not cabinet or Baalu’s not.

    BARKHA: Alagiri’s got Health and that’s a big compromise by Congress because they said we won’t give them Health. So that’s their face saver. No, but Alagiri, Health can be cabinet?

    RADIA: Agreed, but then Raja is MoS.

    BARKHA: Raja is MoS!

    RADIA: Then is Baalu MoS?

    BARKHA: Nahin ho sakta. Nahin, nahin, nahin, if Baalu gets the Heavy Industries and Alagiri is in the Fertiliser, according to …. Baalu gets Fertilizer; Alagiri gets this thing, Health.

    RADIA: Maran gets Telecom and IT.

    BARKHA: Maran gets Telecom and IT. Raja gets demoted.

    RADIA: Who gets…?

    BARKHA: Raja. Nahin hoga?

    RADIA: I am telling you nahin hai (laughing). Trust me, nahin hai.

    BARKHA: Achcha, theek hai.

    +++

    In yet another telecon, Barkha Dutt explains her situation to Niira Radia

    “Everybody I know in the Congress was at the swearing-in, so I haven’t been able to speak with the top guys, and now I just finished and I am going to make my set of calls” BARKHA DUTT

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 19:23:57

    BARKHA: You see, what happened was everybody I know in the Congress was at the swearing in, so I haven’t been able to speak with the top guys, and now I just finished and I am going to make my set of calls.

    RADIA: Kani just landed in Chennai. Just now. I just spoke…

    BARKHA: Where is Daya? Where is Maran?

    RADIA: Daya didn’t turn up for the swearing in because he was called back, because he went and told Karunanidhi that I have been asked by Ahmed Patel to come for the swearing in. But the leader said then you join the Congress.

    BARKHA: (laughs) So now?

    RADIA: So Raja was the only one who’s authorised to attend which he’s done and Raja’s catching the 8:40 flight…

    BARKHA: Okay

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    Transcript of Radia + Sanghvi



    On 15 June 2009, the Bombay High Court directed Mukesh Ambani’s Reliance Industries Ltd (RIL) to honour an agreement signed with Anil Ambani’s Reliance Natural Resources Ltd (RNRL) as part of a family asset division that assured the latter supply of gas from the KG basin at a discount price of $2.34 per unit, a private deal that the Supreme Court later ruled was invalid since the gas was State-owned even though RIL was the gas field’s operator. Here, Niira Radia discusses the implications of the High Court judgment with prominent journalist Vir Sanghvi


    RADIA: Hi

    VIR: Okay, now I can talk.

    RADIA: I just got out of this treadmill. On this battle. I need to, I’m trying to get Mukesh to come out and talk.

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: But the thing is this, we have to, if he talks, we have to carry it as is, in the sense that you know he, I think, they’re very conscious of every line and everything that goes out.

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: Because it’s a battle. It’s a battle at the end of the day for him, you know. And also, whether we bring it into print.

    VIR: Right.

    RADIA: That’s the other issue. I think the…

    VIR: But see Anil can’t afford to give interviews because he will be asked about Amar Singh, so many things, so that the advantage Mukesh has is that he can talk and there is nothing for him to be embarrassed about. So many skeletons in Anil’s closet that he doesn’t want to clarify. If he comes on, he says, ‘Amar Singh is my close friend,’ he is fucked. If he comes on, he says, ‘I have no relations with Amar Singh,’ Amar Singh will kill him. I mean there are so many awkward things, so Anil has decided to avoid the media. Mukesh doesn’t have that prob•lem. Mukesh can talk straight, can say things. You can rehearse. You can work out a script in advance. You can go exactly according to the script. Anil can’t do any of those things, no?

    RADIA: Right. But we can do that, no?

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA:Yeah?

    VIR: But Mukesh has to be on board. He has to sort of realise. It has to be fully scripted.

    RADIA: No, that’s what I mean. I think that’s what he’s asking me.

    VIR: Yes, it has to be fully scripted.

    RADIA: He is saying is that, ‘Look Niira’, that ‘I don’t want anything extempore.’

    VIR: No, it has to be fully scripted. I have to come in and do a run through with him before.

    RADIA: Yeah, yeah.

    VIR: We have to rehearse it before the cameras come in.

    RADIA: Yeah, yeah.

    VIR: Then it is worth doing.

    RADIA: Correct, correct.

    VIR: Otherwise, there is a lot at stake.

    RADIA: Yeah. That’s right, that’s the one point. The other thing was that when Rohit on this particular article of [inaudible] because Anil is going all out and we are going to start talking. It is not as if we are not going to start talking. But I think the challenge that I’m facing is that I think we need to set the tone.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: How what has happened as far as the order is concerned is completely against national interest.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: You know and even if we were to assume that they get gas or they get coal, or they get iron ore or whatever one gets. If you look at how Tatas has always gone into those areas and done something for the people even before they have been able to extract anything out of it.

    VIR: Right.

    RADIA: Here, the culture of, you know, if it’s set at a power plant in Shahpur, which Rohit will brief you, or is setting up a power plant in Dadri… One would ask a question, have you actually done anything for those people even though you are taking their land from them? I can say today you know with my hand on my heart whether it is Kalinga Nagar that we are fighting the Maoists or Singur where we fought Mamta, we continue doing work whether our plant came up or not. You know sometimes…

    VIR: What kind of story do you want? Because this will go as Counterpoint, so it will be like most-most read, but it can’t seem too slanted, yet it is an ideal opportunity to get all the points across.

    RADIA: But basically, the point is what has happened as far as the High Court is concerned is a very painful thing for the country because what is done is against national interest.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: I think that’s the underlying message.

    VIR: Okay. That message we will do. That allocation of resources which are scarce national resources of a poor country cannot be done in this arbitrary fashion to benefit a few rich people.

    RADIA: That’s right.

    VIR: Yeah. That message we will get across, but what other points do we need to make?

    RADIA: I think we need to say that you know it’s a lesson for the corporate world that, you know, they need to think through whenever they want to look at this, whether they really seriously do give back to society.

    VIR: So I will link it to the election verdict. The fact that there has been so much Narega, that Sonia has commit•ted to including everybody, that it should be inclusive growth. It shouldn’t just benefit the few fat cats. It shouldn’t be cronyism. It shouldn’t be arbitrary. That’s how the message for this five years of Manmohan Singh should be—that you have to put an end to this kind of allocations of scarce resources on the basis of corruption and arbitrariness at the cost of the country, otherwise the country will not forgive you.

    RADIA: Yeah, but Vir, you have to keep in mind that he has been given the gas field by the Government to operate. He spent ten billion dollars on it.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: Anil Ambani is getting the benefit without spending a cent on it…

    VIR: I’ll make those points, no?

    RADIA: Yeah.

    VIR: So I’ll make those points. The people, because the system is so corrupt and open to manipulation, by manipulating the system, by not paying anybody you can get hands on resources. Therefore the only way Manmohan Singh hopes to survive is to get a handle on the resources and have some kind of way of allocating them that is transparent, fair and perhaps done by him.

    RADIA: But there you will be attacking Mukesh only, no.

    VIR: Why, why, why, explain that.

    RADIA: You see, because a resource has been allocated to Mukesh in this case.

    VIR: So, what point do you want me to make?

    RADIA: The point I’m making is that here, the point is limited to the fact that you cannot have a High Court deciding on this. You cannot have a tribunal deciding on this.

    VIR: What about ministers?

    RADIA: Even ministers.

    VIR: Spectrum and co is ministers, no?

    RADIA: Yeah, even ministers. You want to really look at, maybe there’s an EGoM [Empowered Group of Ministers] that got set and is looking at the pricing issue, and natural resources should be decided not by any of this arbitrary mechanism. It has to be one for the country. And there should be some sort of a formula that Manmohan Singh has to...

    VIR: Yeah, that is the message, you know. There should be a formula by which resources will be allocated in a transparent, non-arbitrary sort of way. That has to be a message, no?

    RADIA: Yeah. And also, you know, going to court.

    VIR: That the people want resources, they have to be back to society. They have to pay the Government. They have corporate social responsibility. They have to care about the people who are going to be displaced, the people who are going to lose things. You can’t just go ahead and rape the system.

    RADIA: Yeah. But you want to say that you know, more importantly that here a family MoU has taken precedence over national interest, and what the judge has done… I mean you’ll have to attack the judge here because the judge has, what he’s done, he’s given preference to an MoU. He has held on to the MoU and said, ‘Okay, this had to be implemented.’ But he has forgotten what’s good, that’s why it raises a bigger constitutional issue.

    VIR: Which is?

    RADIA: Which is natural resources is really a constitutional issue. It has to do with the country and the nation.

    VIR: It’s not between two brothers and their fight.

    RADIA: It’s not and therefore the judge’s interpretation of an MoU…

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: It cannot be the basis of the way how we can proceed on these sorts of issues. I mean, you have to attack the fact that the judge has only gone into the MoU. His entire judgment is on the basis of the MoU.

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: And therefore a judgment between two family members cannot be how you decide the future.

    VIR: Okay. Let this Rohit come, let me explain to him, and I’ll talk to you and tell you what line I’m taking.

    RADIA: Okay. And you’ll do it for next Sunday, is it?

    VIR: No, no tomorrow

    +++

    And now, a conversation on an entirely different issue. In May 2009, as coalition talks between the DMK and Congress broke down, Niira Radia was apparently involved quite actively in opening channels between the two parties through, among others, Vir Sanghvi

    VIR: Hi Niira.

    RADIA: Hi Vir. Where are you, Delhi or…

    VIR: I’m in Jaipur. Coming back this evening.

    RADIA: Okay. I just wanted to… I’ve been talking to my Tamil Nadu friends.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: I just need to… I don’t know whether you are in the position to get through to anyone at Congress. I just met Kani just now.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: And I’ve been, you know, we re-united since yesterday. The problem is…

    VIR: I was supposed to meet Sonia today, but I’ve been stuck here. So, now it’s becoming tomorrow. I’ve been meeting with Rahul, but tell me?

    RADIA: No, I’ll tell you what---they are not understanding that they are actually communicating with the wrong guy. Not because I detached Maran, but actually the father has not nominated Maran to negotiate. Now, you know, it’s like a banana republic where the Cabinet…

    VIR: Then why Maran became the face? They all hate Maran.

    RADIA: No. He is not, he is not. I know, no. But the Congress is under the impression. They have already apparently indicated to Maran that the Prime Minister will not give infrastructure berth to DMK, which… but he himself is desperately pushing for an infrastructure berth for himself.

    VIR: Right.

    RADIA: But the problem is that there is a leader which is Kani’s brother, which is Alagiri, who’s won that election and he is a mass leader.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: Now what has apparently… Maran has gone and indicated to Congress that he will accept a MOS independent, and you leave it with me, everything will be okay.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: Which blames Baalu, Raja and Maran Cabinet posts independent to Alagiri and MOS to Kani.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: Now, Alagiri is a very, you know, he is, he is a mass leader. He controls half of Tamil Nadu for Karunanidhi’s point of view.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: He is far too, too senior for Maran. So, what he has told his father that if you make Maran a Cabinet minister…

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: …I’ll not come into the Cabinet. And the father cannot afford to upset him because…

    VIR: Obviously.

    RADIA: …simply because of his position.

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: Right now, the Congress doesn’t seem to be understanding this.

    VIR: So, who should they talk to?

    RADIA: They need to, look, they need to talk directly to Karunanidhi, they need to talk to Kani.

    VIR: Sonia spoke to him yesterday, you know.

    RADIA: No, she didn’t speak to him. Only Prime Minister spoke, even that was Kani was translating for him. It was very brief that, you know, let’s try and resolve this issue. There is nothing at all and whatever. They need to get Ghulam Nabi Azad to speak to Kanimozhi.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: Seriously, that’s the only thing that will work and Kani will take them to her father.

    VIR: I won’t get into Sonia in the short term, let me try and get through to Ahmed.

    RADIA: No. But they need to speak to Kani [Kanimozhi, DMK Chief M Karunanidhi’s daughter], and Kani will take him to their, her father directly.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: He has no problem with three Cabinet berths at all. In fact, it is the Congress that messed it up.

    VIR: Mm...hmm.

    RADIA: Had they, had they not kept on insisting and kept on pushing Maran forward… themselves have been pushing Maran forward. They would have left it to Raja and, and Baalu even if they wanted, or Raja and Alagiri and Kani would taken independent, nobody will, it is Congress they started this whole Maran dialogue.

    VIR: Oh, I have been thinking that DMK nominated Maran.

    RADIA: No. No. No. No, they did, they’ve sent a list earlier with five portfolios and Maran’s name because father was pushed … so he had to send a list with everybody’s name on it. But he was hoping that Congress would come back and say, ‘Okay, we will accept Raja,’ or ‘We will not,’ or ‘Not Raja, we will give you only three portfolios,’ right? But they have not able to, the communication that’s been happening in Congress with DMK has been completely warped. They are talking to the wrong guys.

    VIR: Okay. Let me try and get through to Ahmed.

    RADIA: The, the simplest way is Kani [inaudible; 0:03:24].

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: And Kani [inaudible; 0:03:27] will take them to her father directly.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: And they can have this, you know, whatever are the, the concerns, whatever they want to say, let them say in front of Kani.

    VIR: And he’ll never mind. He will not mind.

    RADIA: Yeah, they should say, they should say, ‘We don’t want Maran.’

    VIR: Okay, done. Let me just try and get through and I’ll let you know soon.

    RADIA: But the moment you drop Maran, your problem gets resolved because Alagiri has done okay.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: Okay. Give him this message. She is right now…

    VIR: I just…

    RADIA: [Inaudible; 0:03:51] She is in her South Avenue residence.

    VIR: They have a mobile , you know?

    RADIA: I just met her.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: And some Tamil Nadu Congress guys also want just now to meet her.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: I don’t think it needs to be done at that level. It needs to be done at, at Ghulam Nabi Azad level or…

    VIR: Well, I’ll talk with Ahmed. I’m going to talk to him.

    +++

    A follow-up discussion on cabinet berths for the DMK’s leading lights, including of course the Telecom Ministry for A Raja

    VIR: Hello.

    RADIA: Sorry to disturb you.

    VIR: Hi, no problem.

    RADIA: They had a meeting.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: MK Narayanan [National Security Advisor at the time] had come.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: And as suggested it was Kani only.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: And they had a… they are still stuck to their four formula and one independent.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: But these people will also think about it and let him know tomorrow morning. He is…

    VIR: But they will not send him about the family or whatever, right?

    RADIA: No. He clarified everything that you had told him.

    VIR: Okay, very good.

    RADIA: I think that there was no issue, and there was, and there was lot of relief from this Chief Minister’s side.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: And he realised that, you know, this is all being done by…

    VIR: By Maran.

    RADIA: …yeah. [inaudible; 0:00:42] But the thing is that it appears that he is still under a lot of pressure to take Maran, you know, so…

    VIR: Where is this coming from, this pressure?

    RADIA: It’s coming from Stalin and his sister Sylvie.

    VIR: Okay.

    Radia: So, I believe Maran has given about 600 crores to Dayalu, Stalin’s mother.

    VIR: 600 Crores, okay?

    RADIA: 600 Crores, is what I’m told.

    VIR It’s hard to argue with that kind of pressure?

    RADIA: Isn’t it. So, he is…

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: …but no, but he doesn’t know, the father doesn’t, I mean...

    VIR: Doesn’t realise what?

    RADIA: Doesn’t realise that. But this is the feedback that Alagiri has got.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: And…

    VIR: So, basically what they want is a little more flexibility and posts right? They want probably more cabinets or something?

    RADIA: They are saying one more cabinet and Kani was independent charge.

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: But if they stick to three and give independent charge, then Kani gets her independent and then Alagiri, Baalu and Raja come in?

    VIR: That is not so bad, you know.

    RADIA: Yeah, so I think…

    VIR: …unless Maran is one of the cabinet.

    RADIA: Yeah. But yeah, unless Maran is one of the cabinet. But I don’t think he can give it to three family members.

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: That will send a very wrong signal.

    VIR: That’s right.

    RADIA: So, the best thing is, you know, if I don’t know whether Narayanan can say that, I mean he can’t say who should be the people. But he could probably go back and say that, you know, Baalu and Raja and Alagiri is the best option and Kani, you know.

    VIR: And it’s good for the Government also. That doesn’t seem to be giving it to the family.

    RADIA: Yeah. Yeah but then I don’t know whether he is in the position to take names, you know.

    VIR: Because Baalu and Raja are saying it is being spread by Maran saying that we don’t, nobody wants them because they are crooks to advance his own career, you know.

    RADIA: Yeah. Yeah. So, if there was anything that could be said which is, that, that you know, you know, if, if Narayanan was to come back tomorrow and say by looking, I think, we think that may be the three, and we’ll see a little later for the fourth one. But for now let’s just look at Alagiri, Baalu and Raja…

    VIR: And, and, and see Maran…

    RADIA: …and we can give independent to Kani.

    VIR : Yeah. Makes sense.

    RADIA: And, and that would be a, a good thing for him to say. And they are asking for environment and forest.

    VIR: See, Narayanan will talk to PM. Then they have to communicate, he won’t talk to the Congress President.
    Radia: Hmm?

    VIR: He won’t talk to Congress president. So, somebody … he’s PM’s man, he has gone on behalf of PM. So, they will, PMO will send its feedback to Congress party. So, that stage my friends will get a….

    RADIA: So they will in any case speak to Ahmed, you know.

    VIR: Yeah. Yeah, they will. And nothing will happen without his getting involved.

    RADIA: Yeah.

    VIR: So, I’ll speak to him right away and convey this?

    RADIA: Yeah. But maybe that, you know, he would have to specify then that we are not too comfortable with Maran…

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: …and let it be Baalu and Raja because so much has been said and then it would also, also send a wrong message that if you don’t take Baalu and Raja now. But I don’t know whether they will say that?

    VIR: I don’t know. Well let’s, let’s. No, harm trying.

    RADIA: But therefore Kani, is asking for, he is not told Narayanan this, but they’ve suggested a couple of ministries.

    VIR: Which one?

    RADIA: But they are saying okay, telecom is going to Raja in any case.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: That, the old man is very clear about.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: But as far as the other two are concerned, he doesn’t mind. He is not very fussed about chemical, fertilisers and labour.

    VIR: Okay.

    RADIA: How funny, he would prefer that she gets independent charge Environment and Forest or something like that. You know, where she can get her teeth in and she is I think, she is very upright with it. So, they shouldn’t have any problem with that, or by the way aviation also.

    VIR: What about Civil Aviation?

    RADIA: And Civil Aviation.

    VIR: It gives her the, it gives her the profile she would need, you know.

    RADIA: She wants the aviation because, why she says aviation because she can do Chennai airport, Salem and Madurai and all that, you know…

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: …it gives her the, the foothold for the political side.

    VIR: We don’t have anyone there. Let me talk.

    RADIA: Yeah. And she is intelligent and she will do just, because they are saying Environment and Forest and Aviation for Kani in independent charge.

    VIR: I’ll pass this on?

    RADIA: Yeah. Thanks. Thanks to you.

    VIR: Yeah.

    RADIA: That was really great, you know, you all, I mean it was exactly as you had said and…

    VIR : Okay.

    RADIA: They were very relieved and she was so relieved. So, wants to say thank you to you personally.

    VIR: I’ll pass it…

    RADIA: Let’s hope tomorrow it will---and Alagiri has got all those messages. My person came back and confirmed.

    VIR: Oh, very good.

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    “Tell Sunil Mittal, you have to work with Raja”

    “Hmm …tell Sunil Mittal, you have to work along with Raja for another five years” —A RAJA

    In this set of conversations, Raja has a message to be relayed to the chief of Bharti Airtel, even as Niira Radia appears to advise him to keep a distance from the chief of Reliance Communications, Anil Ambani, in the apparent interests of policy neutrality in the telecom sector

    RADIA: Hello?

    RAJA: Raja here.

    RADIA: Hi! I got a message from Barkha Dutt just now.

    RAJA: Huh?

    RADIA: Barkha Dutt

    RAJA: What does she say?

    RADIA: She says… that she has been following up the story with Prime Minister’s Office tonight. In fact, she was the one who told me that Sonia Gandhi went there. She says that he [the PM, presumably] has no problem with you, but he has a problem with Baalu.

    RAJA: But it has to be discussed with Leader.

    RADIA: Yeah, yeah… he has to discuss with the Leader. He has to tell…

    RAJA: It will be discussed in the morning… why unnecessarily, Congress… tie-up is going out.

    RADIA: No, but then the question is about Alagiri, no?

    RAJA: Huh?

    RADIA: Alagiri’s people are saying: why is Maran getting Cabinet when he is such a senior leader himself?

    RAJA: That is different, but all these things must be explored and disclosed.

    RADIA: That’s right. That’s right. I told her to get Congress…

    RAJA: At least, one to one, let it be disclosed to Leader.

    RADIA: One to one?

    RAJA: One to one. Somebody should give a message, at least in a sealed cover, that we are having serious problems [with] Baalu.

    RADIA: From Congress, right?

    RAJA: Yes.

    RADIA: Okay, I’ll tell her. She is talking to Ahmed Patel, so I will talk to him.

    RAJA: Let him call at least over phone: Sir, this is problem… we are having high regard [sic], we are having no problem with Raja, but problem is Baalu. Tell.

    RADIA: Then how will you resolve the other problem?

    RAJA: Other problems we will take care of slowly, because now Leader comes down.

    RADIA: Uh-huh.

    RAJA: Don’t worry

    RADIA: Now Leader comes down to three, no?

    RAJA: Comes down for three…

    RADIA: Yeah.

    RAJA: Even you are saying that Maran is not fit for Infrastructure… he is having controversy… [sic] alright, let him be accommodated in the existing ministry… at least we will suggest.

    RADIA: Maran?

    RAJA: Hmm… you suggest, you send a message.

    RADIA: Uh, huh

    +++

    Some talk of Tamil politics and its influence of how political power-sharing is shaping up in New Delhi.

    RADIA “What they are saying is they will not give Infrastructure to Baalu and Maran. They should say that directly to Leader, no?”

    RAJA: Tell me, Niira.

    RADIA: The thing is that the Congress has been totally confused as to who they need to speak to.

    RAJA: Huh?

    RADIA: Who they need to speak to in the DMK.

    RAJA: Ah… somebody should fly to Leader.

    RADIA: No, no… That is why, I am now… they’re going to speak to Kani in a little while, and then Kani is going to take them to Leader directly, and let Kani…

    RAJA: That is good, that is good.

    RADIA: Yeah? I have done… just told them that, because they’re completely confused who to talk to. Yeah?

    RAJA: Let them talk to Kani.

    RADIA: Yeah, but Kani should also be sensible enough to say that she does not want anything for herself. No? I have told her that…

    RAJA: Hmm.

    RADIA: But you also make sure.

    RAJA: No problem.

    RADIA: I told them. I told them that whatever…

    RAJA: See, tell Kani, let her call Leader---‘This is the problem, shall I bring the people?’

    RADIA: Yeah, because what they’re saying is that they will not give Infrastructure to Baalu and Maran. They should say that to Leader directly, no?

    RAJA: No problem. Look, see… let them go along with Kani, and let them tell that we are having problem with these fellows.

    RADIA: That’s right. That’s what they have to do… they were confused. What happened is---for the UPA meeting, Maran went along. So they think Maran is the interlocutor, he is the person who’s going to talk, so there is this…

    RAJA: Not at all. He came for assistance, that’s all

    RADIA: No, I know, but you see this is a wrong message that has gone out, and they don’t know.

    +++

    A discussion on perceptions of Raja’s capabilities, the DMK patriarch’s senility (as it seems), his son Alagiri’s attitude and other things of mind, and their implications.

    A RAJA “I know. So who planted in the minds of the Congress that Azhagiri doesn’t know English. I know”

    DATE date 23 May 2009 TIME 14:29:41

    RADIA: Raja, how are you?

    RAJA: Haan. What she is telling, Kani is telling?

    RADIA: She’s telling that she’s okay about it. She has no problem…

    RAJA: Hmm.

    RADIA: But the only thing is that somebody has to go talk to Alagiri, which you have to do.

    RAJA: Hmm.

    RADIA: And tell him how Maran has gone and told…

    RAJA: Haan, I already spoke with him, I already spoke with him.

    RADIA: You told him what he has told the Congress leaders in Delhi?

    RAJA: I know. So who planted in the minds of the Congress saying that Alagiri doesn’t know English. I know.

    RADIA: No, no, no, no…. not only that. Not only that. That he and Stalin tomorrow will be the only ones left to run the party because the old man is senile and he is not going to be around any longer, and therefore Congress will be happy doing business with him because it will be him… him eventually, and he controls Stalin.

    RAJA: Hmm.

    RADIA: This is what he has said.

    RAJA: Oh, ho, ho, ho!

    RADIA: And that Alagiri is criminal…

    RAJA: Hmm.

    RADIA: And he has not even studied more than 5th standard.

    RAJA: Oh!

    RADIA: That’s the exact thing that he has told.

    RAJA: Okay, okay.

    RADIA: You go and tell him this, no?

    RAJA: No, I shared with Alagiri… Alagiri in turn went to speak with Leader.

    RADIA: No, but he has also said this---that in Delhi, I am the only one that you have to deal with eventually because, any case, Stalin will remain in the state.

    RAJA: I know, see, I know what type of propaganda he will manage.

    +++

    In this phone conversation, Raja is keen to know from Niira Radia if his ‘case is clear’. She affirms as much, and advises him on being ‘neutral’.

    NIIRA RADIA “Yours is clear, yeah. Your case was cleared last night only”

    DATE 24 May 2009 TIME 11:05:11

    RADIA: Hi!

    RAJA: Hello?

    RADIA: Hi!

    RAJA: Tell me.

    RADIA: Mr Raja?

    RAJA: Yes?

    RADIA: Niira

    RAJA: Tell me, Niira, anything?

    RADIA: I sent you an SMS. I’ve been speaking to Kani, so I just thought that, basically what they are saying is that you should be there.

    RAJA: Haan.

    RADIA: Leader generally is saying that you should be there, because of the, you know, the Dalit dispensation, all that, you know. The Dravidian, the party, and all that… saying that Leader, if it was left to him, he would have focused on the party first. This is unfortunate that his family is coming in the way and Cho Ramaswamy [senior Tamil journalist] has given a favourable remark that it should be limited to this thing.

    RAJA: Okay.

    RADIA: But I’ve been talking to Kani, she spoke to me, she said, ‘No independent.’ They are not giving independent… just now.

    RAJA: My case is clear, yes?

    RADIA: Yours is clear, yeah. Your case was cleared last night only.

    RAJA: Okay.

    RADIA: No, but what is happening with Daya?

    RAJA: What?

    RADIA: Daya?

    RAJA: Rest of the thing is… Textiles or Fertilisers.

    RADIA: Not for Daya.

    RAJA: Either of them.

    RADIA: But Alagiri or Daya? Only one can come, no?

    RAJA: No, two. Two can come.

    RADIA: Both?

    RAJA: Baalu will be the problem. I hope.

    RADIA: I think that will be difficult for the Leader to justify three family members.

    RAJA: That is it, that is… (chuckles) everybody knows.

    RADIA: No, no, she said that. Kani told me this last night, that’s what the father told her yesterday.

    RAJA: Oh!

    RADIA: That for him to justify three family members will become very difficult. He recognises that problem.

    RAJA: What can you do? We’ll see, let us wait.

    RADIA: Yeah. I think he will have to relook at that. You’re all meeting him individually now? Or the meeting is still going on?

    RAJA: Not at all, not at all.

    RADIA: Narayanan’s [MK, National Security Advisor at the time] meeting is going on?

    RAJA: Narayanan’s meeting is over. He has gone to Delhi, with cover.

    RADIA: He’s gone to?

    RAJA: He has gone to catch the flight… with cover.

    RADIA: Narayanan, yeah?

    RAJA: List, list…with the list, he has gone out.

    RADIA: He has gone out with the list, no?

    RAJA: I didn’t know what is inside the cover.

    RADIA: And Kani? Is with father?

    RAJA: Maybe yes… maybe she knows.

    RADIA: I will call her now. And you are not there?

    RAJA: I am not yet there.

    RADIA: You’re not there? And Maran? Maran is there, no?

    RAJA: There, yes.

    RADIA: Why you didn’t go?

    RAJA: I didn’t go.

    RADIA: Huh?

    RAJA: Alright… why should we go?

    RADIA: You should be there, no?

    Raja: No problem… morning I met, and thereafter I came back for another work.

    RADIA: And Alagiri… he knows what Maran has been saying about him?

    RAJA: It is known to Alagiri.

    RADIA: It is, no?

    RAJA: It is known to Alagiri, but he cannot talk with father… timely [sic] he will speak, only thing is, Maran will start the campaign against me…

    RADIA: Hmm

    RAJA: That has to be taken care of.

    RADIA: You have to fight differently.

    RAJA: Hmm… he may tell the press Prime Minister is coming again, this and that, spectrum…

    RADIA: No, no, we are handling, don’t worry. We have to take so much off, you know, even Congress had to make that statement, no? I spoke to Sunil Mittal, did Chandoliya tell you?

    RAJA: I didn’t know

    RADIA: I told him to stop. I told him, it doesn’t help.

    RAJA: Hmm. Tell Sunil Mittal, you have to work along with Raja for another five years. So, don’t…

    RADIA: I told him that. I told him that. But then you also have to distance yourself from Anil. You must be neutral.

    RAJA: Ah, that we can keep.

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    “PM is very soft-spoken, and dad can’t hear clearly”

    Ask Ghulam to call me and talk to me. I’ll be here around, you know —KANI

    The ‘he’ appears to be Dayanidhi Maran, who, along with TR Baalu, seems to be having trouble finding infrastructure-related portfolios in UPA II. Here, Niira Radia conveys that information to Kanimozhi

    “Prime Minister is also, you know, very soft-spoken, and dad can’t hear very clearly also.” —KANIMOZHI

    “Mm-hmm” —RADIA

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 10:45:06

    KANI: Hello.

    RADIA: Kani, apparently they relayed to your father yesterday.

    KANI: Mm-hmm.

    RADIA: That they do not want to give any infrastructure portfolio to [TR] Balu or Maran.

    KANI: Yeah… who told it?

    RADIA: No, no. He was told apparently very, very clearly…

    KANI: No, he was not... That is the problem. Who came and told him?

    RADIA: They came in or, you know, told him or they must have spoken to him and Prime Minister spoke to him.

    KANI: No. Prime Minister did not. I was the one who was talking with him. I was on the phone and… Prime Minister, said a few words, that’s all. And see, Prime Minister can’t talk on a phone to dad and convey obviously… Prime Minister is also, you know, very soft spoken and dad can’t hear that clearly also.

    RADIA: Mm-hmm.

    KANI: And the conversation was not so long that they could have conveyed all that.

    RADIA: Mm-hmm.

    KANI: They might have told somebody else that. You don’t know whether that person has conveyed it only na...

    RADIA: … Okay. Let me find out who they conveyed it to. My God, there is so many people working on the thing, it’s unbelievable… I’m going to just tell them again, yeah. I’ll call you back then.

    KANI: And see, one more thing is that one of them can call; Ghulam can call me and tell me.

    RADIA: That’s right.

    KANI: And I can go and tell dad, but somebody has to come and say yes they’ve said it. So otherwise it would reflect very badly on me.

    RADIA: Right. Right. Okay. Okay. Listen, I’m meeting your mom [Rajathi Ammal—Karunanidhi’s companion] at 12:30 hopefully.

    KANI: Okay. I’m here, I’m around.

    RADIA: Okay.

    KANI: You please don’t tell this to mom, she will mess it up and go and tell some rubbish.

    RADIA: No, no, no, no.

    KANI: …Ask Ghulam to call me and talk to me. I’ll be here around, you know.

    RADIA: Okay. Okay.

    +++

    As portfolios start being allotted, the DMK appears to be suffering a bout of infighting. Radia and Kanimozhi discuss the prospect of Maran playing negotiator, but drop the idea

    NIIRA RADIA “My God. You know he is watching everything you’re doing”

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 11:15:41

    KANI: Hello.

    RADIA: Kani, one feedback that’s coming back from Congress is that, that you’ve not even declared who your official negotiator is. Five, five people are negotiating at the same time. If your dad also appoint(s) one person who is going to negotiate what everybody has done, then the problem gets solved.

    KANI: Hey Niira, what can I do Niira? I really can’t do anything about it.

    RADIA: You can’t tell them to appoint the official negotiator?

    KANI: You know OK, we’ll have to say it’s Dayanidhi Maran.

    RADIA: Well, I don’t think he will. Do you think he will say that?

    KANI: He will…

    RADIA: Well, then you might as well not have an official negotiator…

    KANI: See that is a problem…

    RADIA: The meeting is, the meeting is still going on. So, it’s, you know, when it’s over I’ll call you.

    KANI: See, that is the only big problem, no. None of us want to push for it. If he’s going to become anyway.

    RADIA: Yeah.

    KANI: I mean, I can just completely, you see, I’m perfectly all right but if dad is going to say he is [too]. But then it become(s) such a self-serving thing, no.

    RADIA: Is he staying back for the swearing-in?

    KANI: No. What happened is, he [Maran] was supposed to leave with dad. Once he knew that I’m taking a later flight, he’s changed his flight to a later one.

    RADIA: Good God. So, he is also not going for the swearing-in?

    KANI: No, no. He is not going.

    RADIA: Mm-hmm.

    KANI: And then because I just want to stay back for the [inaudible] and take a later flight, he also wants to.

    RADIA: My God. You know, he is watching everything you’re doing…

    +++

    Win some, lose some. Kanimozhi becomes the DMK negotiator, but Maran still seems to have Karunanidhi’s ear. Radia suggests that Kanimozhi use her influence as Karunanidhi’s daughter to ‘save the party’

    KANIMOZHI “How do I make him [Karunanidhi] understand? I keep telling, he doesn’t understand.”

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 14:46:15

    KANI: Hello.

    RADIA: Hi. Listen, they’re caught up in a meeting, but they are going to speak to you.

    KANI: Pardon?

    RADIA: They are going to speak to you. That message has gone to them. What also I have just mentioned to them is that you’re not, only Raja was supposed to have gone to the swearing-in.

    KANI: Yeah... Daya [Maran] is going, no?

    RADIA: Daya is not talking to Ahmed Patel… I don’t know who Daya is talking to.

    KANI: …Daya is going to the swearing-in, no?

    RADIA: No, that’s what I’ve heard from Congress, that he [Maran] has given his name, that he is going to the swearing-in…

    KANI: I don’t know, he is supposed to come back with me...

    RADIA: Yeah, but your dad should be told, no?

    KANI: That is what. He will come and give some stupid cock and bull story to him. He will say Ahmed Patel [Rajya Sabha MP, and political secretary to Sonia Gandhi]… called. He said at least you should come, you’re the only representative, that you’re the face of DMK. If you’re not there, it won’t be good.

    RADIA: If your dad were to say to him that I only authorised Raja to go…

    KANI: No, dad won’t, no way…

    RADIA: Yeah, but then your father has to understand it; he’s not understanding, so you have to tell him that.

    KANI: How do I make him understand? I keep telling, he doesn’t understand.

    RADIA: Who is going to make him understand? Only you can do that… You’re his daughter, so he can listen to you. You have to use your position, Kani, you have to. If you want to save the party, you’re going to have to use it.

    KANI: I’ll do my best.

    RADIA: Yeah, you take care, I’ll call you.

    KANI: Anyway, I’ll be leaving to the airport at 4 o’clock.

    RADIA: Yeah, that doesn’t matter… they’ll call you in Chennai, but they’ll know that they have to speak to you.

    KANI: Then, I’ll be reaching Chennai around 7:30 [inaudible].

    RADIA: Then, when they call you, you just tell them, you please come to Chennai if you want to talk, whatever you want to talk come…

    +++

    The Congress seems to cede the Telecom portfolio to the DMK. Here, Kanimozhi tells Radia to ensure that somebody from the Congress should speak favourably about A Raja to Karunanidhi

    KANIMOZHI “Yeah, yeah. I’m just saying be careful, because he’s trying to get somebody from the Congress [to] say things against Raja to dad.”

    DATE 22 May 2009 TIME 20:04:19

    KANI: Hello

    RADIA: It’s not true Kani. So why should we tell him, there’s no need?

    KANI: No, no, I will just make sure because he is trying to spread the thing that…

    RADIA: No, no, no. Prime Minister has already clarified that… we’re still in the middle of discussing…

    KANI: … They’ve already told us they’ll give us telecom; now it shouldn’t be given to him [Maran] because he is going around planting the stories…

    RADIA: Yes, I know that and then I spoke to Raja. I spoke to Chennai also. I got an input as to what has happened. I went back and told the channels that there’s no deal that has been closed… Janardan Dwivedi was the one who made the statement that the deal has been closed with the DMK; there is no need for us to travel to Chennai. Then the channels asked the Prime Minister.

    KANI: Yea, yea. That I know. I’m just saying be careful, because he’s trying to get somebody from the Congress [to] say things against Raja to dad.

    RADIA: Nobody said… the Prime Minister has not made a statement.

    KANI: Not the Prime Minister. When they come to meet dad…

    RADIA: Agreed. But Kani, the Prime Minister has just made a statement that I have no problem with Raja and Baalu; they’re my esteemed colleagues…

    KANI: He can make a statement, but whoever is going to come and talk to dad shouldn’t talk otherwise. Because, see, what people say outside and what actually they mean is very different, and all of us know that in politics… That is, for public appearances we do a lot of things. So I’m just saying make sure that whoever is going to come and talk doesn’t talk against this guy…

    RADIA: Well, okay. Yea, I spoke to Raja also.

    KANI: See, Raja is one person who will say… everything is okay.

    RADIA: Yes, yes, yes. I don’t think Congress is in any mood to discuss what portfolio should be taken; they’re going to leave it to your father…

    KANI: No, no. I’m saying all that is fine. But they shouldn’t come and say anything because I’m sure they will come and say something against Baalu.

    RADIA: Yes, Baalu, they are saying. They’re saying against Baalu.

    KANI: No, but they also want to say, I think, against Raja… Even one line against him will definitely take, move it to this guy. Actually they say that we’re very happy to give it to Raja because he did a good job and things like that. Then… it will work in his favour…

    +++

    Kanimozhi and Radia discuss how to isolate Dayanidhi Maran, and keep the Telecom portfolio away from him

    KANIMOZHI “But this guy [Maran] is the one who wants Telecom and he is spreading rumours, but I don’t think even the DMK is interested in giving him Telecom”

    DATE 23 May 2009 TIME 09:59:02

    KANI: Hello.

    RADIA: Hi, Kani.

    KANI: Hi, Niira.

    RADIA: I spoke to them again whether they would speak to the CM and give him some message, but they haven’t taken a call. I think what is being spread right now is that the infrastructure should not be given to Baalu and Raja, when actually what is being said is that it should not be given to Maran and Baalu. So there is also a view that, he [Maran] hasn’t met Sonia Gandhi, I have confirmed that.

    KANI: Yeah, even I found out.

    RADIA: Yeah, he has not met and I believe that he has indicated to somebody that he has met your father separately and had a meeting with him and briefed him on Delhi and your father had told him to quietly have a meeting in Delhi on his own.

    KANI: No, that’s not true... dad hasn’t said anything. Today dad has been told that nobody who is actually interested in joining the Cabinet should be allowed to negotiate.

    RADIA: Correct, correct. Absolutely, yeah.

    KANI: Dad is quite okay with that.

    RADIA: Yeah, yeah. So I guess that’s the better way to do it, no?

    KANI: He is just lying… we only asked telecom for Raja.

    RADIA: Correct, correct.

    KANI: If they have problems, they wouldn’t have given it back to us.

    RADIA: They said exactly that… that infrastructure is telecom; we don’t have any problem with it. But what he’s done is he has used that very cleverly by saying infrastructure is not, because Raja and Baalu are not welcome; I’m the only one now who fits for telecom. Because he doesn’t want to go to labour or chemical fertiliser.

    KANI: He doesn’t want to go because it’s not good for his image… You should tell them also Niira, he is the one who is actually creating half the problem.

    RADIA: I did that, yeah. This morning, all my messages to everyone went that… he is the only one. And I explained the whole Alagiri aspect, that they have to understand that he is a mass leader. And in any case, in any party, priority would always go to a mass leader.

    KANI: Exactly… We have other elections coming… We do not want to antagonise all his followers also.

    RADIA: Yes, correct… I don’t think they have a problem with him, by the way. They don’t have a problem with Alagiri. Congress has no problem with him.

    KANI: … But this guy is the one who wants telecom and he is spreading rumours, but I don’t think even the DMK is interested in giving him telecom…

    +++

    A Raja’s ministerial portfolio seems to have been decided, even though the news will formally come out only around 29 May. Kanimozhi now asks Radia about her role in the new government

    KANIMOZHI “Maybe I’ll ask for Environment. Environment they won’t give, Health they won’t give, you know”

    DATE 24 May 2009 TIME 09:27:31

    KANI: Hello.

    RADIA: Hi, good morning.

    KANI: Sorry for I wake you up… I just wanted to know, I mean, what they are planning to give for me?

    RADIA: Mm-hmm… I told you last night. I called after we spoke and I said that, you know, look at the health option. But give her environment and forest; otherwise if the health is not there, independent charge, consider the aviation one. You know that’s the three I had said… They weren’t sure.

    KANI: Even tourism is not worth it?

    RADIA: Tourism independent charge they will not give you, Kani, because Ghulam Nabi Azad has still not [been] given his [portfolio]; he wants something more than, what you call it. He has got only parliamentary affairs, you know.

    KANI: Okay.

    RADIA: That’s why. So, I did mention tourism because I don’t know… they will keep it up to Cabinet post…

    KANI: Okay… I’ve given the list of that...

    RADIA: What did you give the list on? And what did you tell them?

    KANI: I just gave environment, health, and tourism and culture also… They said they will check it out.

    RADIA: Mm-hmm.

    KANI: Maybe I’ll ask for environment. Environment they won’t give, health they won’t give, you know?

    RADIA: Health I think, they have already allocated…

    KANI: Environment they will give, you know?

    RADIA: Independent charge? Yeah. You gave a list this morning, yeah?

    KANI: Yeah…

    RADIA: You didn’t put Aviation, Kani?

    KANI: You know, just Aviation… No problem.

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    It is so interesting to find these journalists at work.

    If all this is true, then it is surprising that they talk so piously on their talk shows and other shows Like We the People.

    But can't blame them. We possibly means Them i.e. the journalists and power brokers.

    Does it also means that the various Padma series awards they get are bogus and scripted for favours?

    Wonders never cease in this most unique Nation!
     
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    RATAN TATA transcript

    “Yeah, I met Raja today. He is a happy man. The Chief Justice has given his clearance on him and he’s happy” —NIIRA RADIA

    “Does he know that the other guy is gunning for him?” —RATAN TATA

    DATE 7 July 2009 TIME 20:29:07

    TATA: Hi.

    RADIA: Hi. You’ve got the media chasing me on Mr Tata being approached for becoming the chairman of the international advisory committee for Air India?

    TATA: It’s true. Nothing has happened. He did come to see me.

    RADIA: Praful?

    TATA: No, no, the current CEO.

    RADIA: Jhadav, yeah. He’s Praful’s henchman.

    TATA: Is he?

    RADIA: Completely. He’s been brought in to safeguard the Boeing deal.

    TATA: Oh really?

    RADIA: So they put out a story saying that, you know, they’re trying to build credibility right now. I got a call from Times of India saying that Mr Tata has been approached. I said I have no comment to make.

    TATA: Yeah, I think that’s what you should keep saying till we hear anything.

    RADIA: They are going to run the story in any case because Praful has gone on record to say that you’ve been approached.

    TATA: Let him go on record.

    RADIA: We’ll just maintain ‘no comment’.

    TATA: Yeah, yeah.

    RADIA: Yeah, yeah. I’ll do that. I’ll maintain ‘no comment’. Yeah, I’ll do that. You landed in London?

    TATA: No I’m sitting on the ground in Tel Aviv.

    RADIA: Oh gosh! What happened?

    TATA: The plane is two hours late. We’re all in the plane.

    RADIA: Oh, dear me. Oh, gosh. Oh dear me. I’m sorry. You should fly in your own plane.

    ....

    RADIA: Okay. There’s a programme tomorrow, right?

    TATA: But I think that’s in London.

    RADIA: Oh, it’s in London, okay, okay.

    RATAN TATA: Yeah.

    RADIA: Okay, alright.

    TATA: It’s a bloody black tie affair.

    RADIA: It’s a black tie affair? Gosh.

    TATA: You know how much I love those.

    RADIA: Oh, you should have invited me. I could have worn my black gown. (Both chuckle)

    TATA: You could have worn your black gown and gone in my place. I hate black tie affairs.

    RADIA: I never get a chance to wear my black gown, Ratan.

    TATA: We’ll make some occasion for you in Bombay.

    RADIA: Yeah, because I have got this Roberto Cavalli gown, which I never get a chance to wear.

    TATA: It’s a what?

    RADIA: I have this Roberto Cavalli gown which I never get a chance to…

    TATA: Is it in Bombay or London?

    RADIA: No, I’ve got it lying, you know, with me in Delhi, so I can go wherever with it, but I never get a chance to wear it.

    TATA: Well then, you wear it when you meet Hillary Clinton or or whom could I suggest who would be a befitting person to…

    RADIA: (laughs) No. I’ll wear it when you next wear a black tie, or… you call me.

    TATA: Okay.

    ….

    RADIA: By the way, AT&T has cancelled their interaction with Anil Ambani.

    TATA: Oh really?

    RADIA: What happened, Mukesh sent used his US lawyer to send them a letter saying that we have an ROFR [right of first refusal] in place, and they wrote back saying they were examining this and the matter is too complicated, and they have no intention of going forward. Given that it could just not end anywhere. Thank God for that. So now he is talking about China Power for his power company. Yeah, he has to raise money.

    TATA: I doubt that China Power would like to go into that transaction because they are so conservative.

    RADIA: Hmmmm. He’s offering them 10 per cent only. There the ROFR is not going to matter.

    TATA: When we offered them something like that, they weren’t at all interested.

    RADIA: Maybe not.

    TATA: They wanted control and so on and so forth, right?

    RADIA: So now…

    TATA: I can find out but I don’t want to be unduly interested.

    RADIA: But he’s got now. In the telecom space France Telecom has said no to him. AT&T has said no. MTN has said no. I think is it Telstra?

    TATA: Of Australia?

    RADIA: They said no. So there’s nobody unless [and] until he is going to talk to QTel… is in trouble because they are looking at restructuring.

    TATA: You have talked to Siva?

    RADIA: Talked to?

    TATA: Siva.

    RADIA: Yeah, Siva’s gone to court, you know, and opposed that 25th date.

    TATA: You told me that.

    RADIA: Yeah, so now what Raja told me was that he was going to give him licence without spectrum.

    TATA: (Laughs)

    RADIA: So they are filing an application.

    TATA: Go to court again and say that he didn’t get spectrum.

    ...

    RADIA: Yes, but there is no spectrum available and that’s what they’ve submitted. I know that unless the court can order release of spectrum from Defence and all of us benefit. It’s not going to happen, you know, until… you know, that’s not going to happen. Yeah, I met Raja today. I went to see him today and he is alright. He is a happy man. The Chief Justice has given his clearance on him and he’s happy. He’s really happy with that. I told him the letter’s coming to you… that KK’s letter, you know. But he couldn’t understand why is it a letter and why can’t I bring the cheque to him. I said ‘I can’t do that because there is a process to it and you have to understand.’ Raja is like, you know, he is always all over the place.

    TATA: Does he know that the other guy is gunning for him?

    RADIA: Yeah. He is fully aware. He told me he said he needs help in the media. So I promised him I’ll help him. I’m helping him Ratan wherever I can, but the thing is that every time you try and help him, he goes and makes stupid statements, you know.

    RATAN TATA: Yeah, yeah.

    RADIA: So you don’t know what to do with him, you know. I told him just learn to keep quiet and keep his head down. As far as the media is concerned, he can’t resist talking to the media, and then he just says everything, you know. He is saying. The latest rumour is that he and Kanimozhi are having an affair which is actually not true.

    TATA: Who?

    RADIA: His latest thing is that he and Kanimozhi are having an affair.

    TATA: Whose latest thing?

    RADIA: The latest rumour in Delhi.

    TATA: Oh I see.

    RADIA: That Raja and Kanimozhi are having an affair, which is not true.

    TATA: Yeah, but spread by who?

    RADIA: By whom else, Maran, but that’s because Raja, whenever the media comes to meet him or anybody comes to meet him, he keeps on telling them how much of a soft corner he has for Kani, and every time he talks about her, as dark as he is, he still blushes.

    TATA: (Laughs)

    RADIA: He gives away the sign that he probably has a crush on her and she has got zero interest in him. Everybody then puts two and two together and gossips. You have this really weird man and he can’t understand why his wife is going to beat him up.

    TATA: (laughs)

    RADIA: He’s telling me today, ‘What do I do with all of these people, to all these rumours?’ And I told him, ‘Don’t talk to people about you have this soft corner for Kanimozhi,’ and that ‘You have to protect her.’ And I said to him, ‘You know, you actually blush.’ He said, ‘You can’t make out I am blushing.’ I said, ‘I’m sorry, but look at your eyes.’ Anyway, he can’t hide the fact that he’s got a crush on her. And Kani says to me, ‘God help me Niira, keep me away from this man.’ It is quite funny. On the lighter side of Delhi. But then for the madness that I hate being here. So these are the lighter moments of life. I’m back in Bombay from Friday.

    TATA: Okay, so we’ll get together.

    RADIA: Yeah, I’m going to be there the whole of next week. You take care. Are you going off from London tomorrow, then you’re travelling to the US? You’re coming back. Okay, I don’t know why…

    TATA: Thursday morning.

    RADIA: Thursday morning.

    TATA: I’m sorry. I’m leaving Thursday morning and I’ll be back Thursday night.

    RADIA: Okay, so I’m back in Bombay on Friday.

    TATA: Okay.

    RADIA: Good. I’m thinking delivery of my new Jaguar on Saturday.

    TATA: Oh, is that so?

    RADIA: Yes.

    TATA: Good, good.
     
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    jesus christ DMK is in deep shit.Barkha and Vir Singhvi are in deep shit.IF these hit the media wow....
     
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    This is so freaking unbelievable.Who the hell is this Niira Radia,i mean look at all these high and mighty literally eating out of her hand and going all gooey around her.Raja confessing his crush for kanimozhi(apparently his interest in Kanimozhi is more than their shared passion for poetry),Tata getting all flirty over the black gown,the otherwise ubercool Barkha sounding like a nervous teen needing advise on what to wear for prom.This could verily be an episode from Gossip girls......Befitting or not i definitely want meet this Niira Radia,may she'll look pretty in that black gown.

    Niira Radia can give a hundred Anandi Bai's a mega complex.Woman power eh...
     
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    Who is Radia? WTF! Man this is Unbelievable!
     
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    You have to give it Ratan Tata though,no wonder the Tata scion is so highly regarded in the industry.In the entire conversation(alleged if you may)Tata lets Radia do most of the talking and giving very little away,certainly saying nothing potentially incriminating.The veteran industrialist probably knows all too well the pitfalls of having telephonic conversation,over unsecured channels,with a femme fatale in Roberto Cavalli
     
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    This video apparently indicates that Barkha Dutt is a go between and a rep of the Congress.

    If this tape is authentic, then it is a damned shame and the media loses all credibility as really being interested in protecting the interest of the Nation.

    Reminds me of the book, THE ALMIGHTY!!

    Yet, at the same time, I am how was it taped, I hear even the telephone ringing! Someone bugged Barkha Dutt? If so, why and how?
     

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