26/11 planners ‘our people’, says former ISI chief

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  1. 3deffect

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    Book by Pakistan’s ex-envoy to U.S. Husain Haqqani contains then-ISI chief Gen. Shuja Pasha’s ‘revelation’.
    The planners of the 26/11 attacks were “our people” but it wasn’t “our operation”, the then-ISI chief Gen. Shuja Pasha had admitted shortly after the Mumbai attacks in 2008, says former Pakistani Ambassador to the U.S. Husain Haqqani. The revelation, which appears in a forthcoming book on India-Pakistan relations, recounts the visit by General Pasha to Washington on December 24-25, 2008, where he made the startling admission.

    At the end of his meetings with his CIA counterpart Gen. Michael Hayden, General Pasha had reportedly visited Mr. Haqqani at the ambassador’s residence. “Pasha said to me ‘Log hamaray thay, operation hamara nahin thha’,” Mr. Haqqani writes in the book — India vs Pakistan: Why Can’t We Just Be Friends?

    Speaking to The Hindu over the telephone from Washington, Mr. Haqqani said Gen. Pasha had also told Gen. Hayden that “retired military officers and retired intelligence officers” had been involved in the planning of the attacks.

    The conversation between the chiefs of the ISI and CIA has been recounted in three books earlier — by then U.S. National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice in her memoirs, Bob Woodward in his book “Obama Wars” and earlier this year by Gen. Hayden himself in his autobiography, Playing to The Edge. However, this is the first time Gen. Pasha’s words corroborating the ISI link have been recorded by a Pakistani official.

    No prosecution
    According to Mr. Haqqani, the link was confirmed by the fact that Pakistan’s government never prosecuted the accused.

    “The fact that we never pursued the case against the accused [officers] in the 26/11 case despite all the evidence that had been provided: not just by India, but by the U.S., by the American NSA including intercepts of conversations during the attacks, that pointed a finger at us, at the Pakistan government,” he said.

    According to Mr. Haqqani, who faced charges of treason in Pakistan in 2011 after the military accused him of writing a “Memo” to the U.S. government on the Osama Bin Laden killing, the Army’s denial of any link to the 26/11 attacks was of a piece with their stand on other strikes “all the way from the 1980s to Dawood Ibrahim.”


    http://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...ople-says-former-isi-chief/article8577057.ece
     
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  3. Kshatriya87

    Kshatriya87 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Don't be surprised if the pakistani government still denies the charge. Denial is the best weapon they have.
     
  4. Navnit Kundu

    Navnit Kundu Pika Hu Akbarrr!! Senior Member

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    That's just their public stance for diplomatic purposes but the core strategy of their attack was indeed to let India know that it was done by Pakistan to provoke an Indian response. Pakistan was facing intense internal crisis during 2005~2008, there were several political factions which were threatening the stability of the state, at the same time the ISI had lost control over a significant number of terror groups which had declared Pakistan as a kaffir nation (for shaking hands with the US) and were attacking Pakistan. So, Pakistani state was already out of favor with their terror assets. On top of that, the US was mounting pressure to go into a military operation into NWFP; If they obeyed this command then Pakistani state would have permanently disenfranchised their terrorist assets. So they played the oldest trick in the book, attack India, get India to wage an incursion, use it as an excuse to silence all dissent among the restive factions and unite them to fight against the common enemy, India. They wanted India to mobilize troops on the border so that they could use that excuse to move their troops from NWFP to their eastern border and conveniently refuse to obey their master, the US, by asserting the need to relocate their military assets to counter Indian mobilization.

    By not responding to their provocation overtly like they wanted us to do, we allowed them to boil in their own juices. No one has said that the 26/11 account has been settled from our point of view, we will still impose a terrible military price on them since the memory is still fresh in our minds, but this time, Pakistan cannot derive any benefit out of it, which they would have, if we had given in to emotion and struck immediately after 26/11. We have intelligently used the attack to consolidate national opinion against Pakistan and marginalize the piss-niks. The anti-Pakistan sentiment in India is higher than it has ever been. Instead of uniting their factions, ISI ended up uniting Indian factions. These days, not even a rabid Marxist dares to downplay the 26/11 attackers as some sort of 'Gandhians with guns'; It has sunk into everyone's mind, regardless of their assorted ideological leanings, that Pakistan needs to be hit at a time and place of our choosing and the piss-niks wont (can't) get into the way now, otherwise they will face a massive backlash by the people.
     
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    Mikesingh Senior Member Senior Member

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    The standard line spewed out by these morons is that it was a false flag operation conducted by the Indians. Lol!

    They are saying the same thing like a broken record on the Pathankot attack too. 'False flag' is the new buzz word of the Pakistanis.
     
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    False Flag operation of RAW & MOSSAD. The proof? Proof is the red band on Kasab's hand. :facepalm:
     
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    Navnit Kundu Pika Hu Akbarrr!! Senior Member

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    The very existence of Pakistan as a nation itself is a false flag operation in the history of human race. We will correct that false flag and put a real flag there, soon :pound:
     
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    he retired 5 years ago so now he can speak. as per the rule they should not open mouth for atleast 5 years after retirement. So now he will speak lol
     
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    that is the Reason Failed pakistan country...right now sitting on JUNK..and their idology is killing their own country reputation..and their peoples..
    but still pak will say...operation hamara nhe tha haahaha...!!!

    how to make zombies (AKA jihadis) eat their brains..

    junk pakistanis EGO's bigger then their Achivements
     
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    Indx TechStyle Perfaarmance Naarmal Senior Member

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    And this is a news?
    :rolleyes:
     
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    Still can't understand the mystery behind the kasab's video where he mentioned bhagwan. No sane muslim can do that...
     
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    pasha lie, all happens wid the knowledge of ppl in power in porki army and porki isi.
     
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    The Paki gameplan for 26/11 was to disguise the attack as a 'Hindutva' terrorist attack.

    The low life Pakis even bought the red threads worn by Hindus from Siddhivinayak Temple in Mumbai prior to the attack.

    The Secret Plot to Blame India

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ror-attacks-conspiracy-theories/1/204085.html

    DEADLY DECEPTIONS

    ISI wanted to leave enough red herrings to implicate Indians in the 26/11 attack

    Fake identities: The attackers carried ID cards of Arunodaya College, Hyderabad. The college is genuine but the ID cards were fake.

    Threads of distractions: LeT plotter David Headley purchased wristbands for all 10 attackers at Mumbai's Siddhivinayak temple.

    Blame it on Indians: 'Kharak Singh from India' bought the Internet calling service used by LeT handlers. His IP address was in Pakistan.

    Lies on live television: "We're from Hyderabad. Don't you know Hyderabad? Don't you know your country?" attacker Fahadullah told a TV channel.

    Numbers game: All 10 terrorists were given mobile phones with Indian SIM cards by LeT's communications chief Zarar Shah.
     
  14. Navnit Kundu

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    It's not a discrepancy. ISI's plan was to make it look like a Hindu terror attack, to draw moral equivalence with Islamic terror groups and bolster their 'equal equal' doctrine. So Kasab was trained to look and speak like a Hindu (he was also wearing saffron thread on wrist). What he was doing in that interview was Taquiyya, even while lying on the death bed.

    Where we go wrong, consistently, is that Pakistan does these things to prop up a narrative and despite being smart enough to figure it out, we are stupid enough to release the video to the public and let them have their chance anyway. If he was told to use the word "bhagwan" and he did it, then common sense entails that the intel agencies should impose a gag order on that video under national security act to prevent Pakistan from having their last laugh. Instead, we released it and let Pakistan have a field day. So they succeeded in building their narrative. Our task must be to filter information such that Pakistan cannot turn back and use citations from our own media to counter us. Similarly the Col. Purohit issue should have never seen light of the day, since it was under investigation anyway, but Congress gave it massive coverage which hurt our national interest. Now, every time we bring up 26/11, Pakistan brings up Samjhauta blasts.
     
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    yeh kaunsa video hai? I never saw that? Or heard about it.
     
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    And some congi and all were saying it was RSS which killed Hemant Karkare. How alarming!
     
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    Video is all over internet..

     
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    Still has some loopholes like why would any hindu want jew captives (nariman house) and mysterious case of karkare. If you can debunk these 2 things as well.
     
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    Now check these proofs;

    1. His mother's name is muslim

    2. His father's name is muslim

    3. Ladke ka naam is muslim

    4. His surname is kasab which is muslim

    5. He is from Lahore

    6. His brother's wife stays in porkiland

    7. His accent is porki

    8. His brother's address is in saffawala, Lahore

    9. He used the word "bhaijaan"

    10. 2nd brother's name is muslim

    11. His sister's names are muslim

    12. Sister's sasural is in pathankot, porkistan

    13. His sister's in laws names are muslim

    14. He used to work in Lahore

    15. He said the number "54" in urdu

    These are just the ones I found in first 10 minutes. Enjoy now.
     
  20. Navnit Kundu

    Navnit Kundu Pika Hu Akbarrr!! Senior Member

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    The ISI was trying to make it look like a botched up operation undertaken by Hindu organizations which were trying to defame Muslims. Basically, this was a false flag OF a false flag operation.

    The theme of the sickular story is "Hindus were trying to do a false flag attack to blame Muslims by killing Christians and Jews, but when the culprit's identity was revealed, he turned out to be a Hindu, and the grand Hindu conspiracy was exposed".

    Congress had hatched a full fledged plan with ISI to blame the RSS. As per their plan, Kasab was never meant to be caught alive, but Ombale sacrificed his life to catch him alive and the truth came out leaving Congress to cook up all sorts of fairytales to save their asses. As to why the Congress was working in tandem with ISI to defame Hindus (in 26/11 and Ishrat Jahan case) is anyone's guess. They were facing tough questions from Indians about their appeasement policies and soft stance on terror, so they wanted to create this bogey of 'saffron terror' to shame Hindus into silence. If their plan had succeeded, then every time a terror attack took place in the future, they would have said "terror has no religion, we don't know who did it, it could be Hindu terrorists too, let us investigate and find out" and the investigation would go on for 10 years and real terrorists would never be caught and the Congress vote bank would be safe.

    This way, all terrorists (who conspicuously ALWAYS belong to the same religion), would get a free pass, by downplaying the Muslim angle by creating a fake 'Saffron angle' to confuse people. Even during the Mumbai Blasts in 1993, when Sharad Pawar was the CM of Maharashtra, he planted a false story in the news papers saying that some blasts also happened in Muslim majority areas, to confuse people as to the source of the blast. He has himself admitted it, see :

    To keep the peace, I misled people on ’93 blasts: Pawar

    Here is why Sharad Pawar lied on the day Mumbai was bombed by Dawood Ibrahim


    Karkare's case was no different than Ombale or Unnikrishnan, he was a martyr who died fighting the terrorists. All reports suggesting he was killed by his own team are the products of a fertile Congress brain trying to deflect the matter. This is not without precedent, they have done it before, in fact, they do it every time they are caught on the backfoot. Do you remember there was a shootout in Delhi where some terrorists were killed and a police officer died? Even that time Congress was playing the trumpet that the police was killed by Hindu moles within the police department. Turned out to be fake.

    It is a small little trick which Indian school kids use during exams called "if you can't convince them, then confuse them". Remember when we don't know the right answer during exams then we start writing all sorts of crap? it's the same strategy Congress is using. They know they are lying, so they cook up and propagate multiple narratives to confuse people.

    Even during the Ishrat Jahan case, they tried the same trick of obfuscation.

    First they said, "no no, Ishrat was not a terrorist, she was just a normal secular girl".

    Now after evidence of a massive coverup by Chidambaram has been unearthed, they are saying "okay, well, maybe...just mayyybee, she was a terrorist, but so what? she was just going to do some small blast, she wasn't sent to kill Modi."

    5 years later when there will be court convictions in the case and IB, RAW officers who collaborated with Chidambaram and Sonia will go to jail, then presstitutes will say "Okay, mayyybe, she was a terrorist sent to kill Modi, but we can still disagree with the courts (sic Nidhi Razdan)".

    5 more years later they will say "Okay so mayybe we have been proved to be total frauds who covered up a terror plot, so what? that was 20 years ago, how long are we going to dwell in the past?"

    They did the same trick with 2002 Godhra train incident.

    Narrative 1 : It wasn't an act of terror, the fire was accidentally started by Hindu saints who were cooking inside train.
    Few months later,

    Narrative 2: Maybe the fire was not started by the saints, but we don't know who started it.
    Few months later,

    Narrative 3 : Okay, so mayybe some outsider threw a petrol bomb on the train, but we don't know for sure that the attackers were Muslims, could be Hindu goons too (lolwut)
    Few months later,

    Narrative 4 :Okay, so there is evidence to show that the attackers were Muslim, so what? does that justify the riots?
    Few months later,

    Narrative 5 :Okay, turns out, even the riot was started by Muslims, so what? the justice system should be blind to religion, we are all Indians first. Stop communalizing the issue.

    By this time, 12 years have passed and Hindu public has forgotten the facts (but Muslim public ends up believing the media narrative that Muslims are being victimized in India), and presstitutes are back to peddling other lies like Col Purohit, Aseemanand, Asaram Babu. 10 years later, even these stories will turn out to be false. Only one thing will remain the same, Media is never going to give up their secular Jihad and Dhindus will never learn anything!

    The media continues to fabricate more events to be used as moral justification for Jihad (sic) (Masood became terrorist because of Babri), at the same time our national security ecosystem slips from bad to worse. I am sure there is going to be a terror attack in the name of Dadri and presstitutes will justify that too, the groundwork has already been laid.

    But we can all take solace in the fact that Islam is a religion of peace, I shudder to think what it would be like if it weren't a religion of peace.
     
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    If get caught behave like a Hindu. That's what the plan was.

    In the game of intelligence and proxy warfare.There are no sane hindus or muslims. There are just national interests.
     
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