26/11 anniversary today murderers are still roaming free

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  1. SHASH2K2

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    friends today is 26/11 anniversary and sadly perpetrators are still roaming free in land of pures . Family members of victims are yet to get justice. Its duty of government of India to give punishment to the masterminds. Question here is that did we do enough or we should have done more to give justice to victims of this cowardly act.
     
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    Since the Madrid conference on 'Democracy & Terrorism' held in March 2005, to which I was invited, I have been repeatedly writing and speaking on the need for victim activism in India in order to make the Government of India act effectively against terrorism and Pakistan, the State sponsor of terrorism against Indian nationals, but in vain.

    Since Pakistan's spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence started using terrorism as a strategic weapon against India in 1981, we have had four acts of mass casualty terrorism in which there were more than 150 fatalities.

    These were the blowing up of Air-India's Kanishka aircraft by the Babbar Khalsa, a Khalistani terrorist organisation, on June 23, 1985; the serial bomb blasts in Mumbai on March 12, 1993 carried out by a group of Pakistan-trained terrorists directed by Dawood Ibrahim, now living in Pakistan; the multiple blasts on some suburban trains of Mumbai on July 7, 2006, carried out at the instance of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba; and the sea-borne attacks in Mumbai by 10 Pakistanis recruited and trained by the Lashkar with the ISI's help from November 26 to 28, 2008.

    The relatives of the Canadian victims on board the ill-fated Kanishka pursued their case against the Canadian authorities for the latter's negligence in protecting the aircraft, which took off from Toronto.

    As a result, the Canadian government was forced to re-investigate the entire case and take necessary follow-up action.

    In the other three cases, which took place on Indian territory, the total lack of interest by the relatives of the Indian victims in pursuing the cases from the point of view of justice and compensation to the affected families, has enabled governments responsible for the tragedies escape accountability.

    In all the three cases, the governments of Pakistan and India were liable for action. The government of Pakistan became liable because of the use of terrorism by the ISI.

    The Government of India was liable because of its failure to protect those who died at the hands of Pakistan-trained terrorists and to act against Pakistan as permitted by international law.

    In the case of the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist strikes, the US government and its Federal Bureau of Investigation were also liable for action because of the FBI's failure to alert the Indian security agencies about the frequent visits to India of David Coleman Headley of the Lashkar's Chicago cell.

    He was used by the Lashkar to collect information about the targets to be attacked and to select a suitable landing point for the Lashkar boat.

    The FBI had been alerted by Headley's wives about his links with the Lashkar. The Indian agencies were not told by the FBI about his visits to India before the attacks and about the one visit made by him after the attacks.

    Had the Indian agencies been told about his visits in time, they might have arrested him and foiled the ISI's plans.

    During his interrogation by a team from the National Investigation Agency of the Government of India, which had visited the United States for the purpose earlier this year, Headley has reportedly given details of serving and retired officers of the ISI who had played a role in the attacks.

    Thus, three parties are liable for action by relatives of the victims of the 26/11 terrorist strikes:

    First, the government of Pakistan and its ISI for their role in the attacks.

    Second, the government of the US and its FBI for their failure to alert the Indian security agencies about Headley's Lashkar background and his frequent visits to India to help the Lashkar draw up its plans for the attacks.

    The Governments of India and Maharashtra and their agencies for their failure to prevent the attacks despite the availability of intelligence about the Lashkar's plans to carry out a sea-borne terrorist strike on some seafront establishments, including the Taj Mahal hotel.

    All the three governments have been able to get away with their acts of commission (in the case of Pakistan) or omission (in the case of the US and India) because of the failure of the victims's relatives to pursue the cases against them.

    Unfortunately, in India we have not had a tradition of victim activism in terrorism cases and no precedents are available which could have guided the relatives of the victims to take up the cases.

    Even public-spirited lawyers, who often take up such cases, show a lack of interest in terrorism related cases.

    In contrast, see what the US-based relatives of some Jewish victims of the terrorist attacks have done. The Hindu of November 24 has reported that the relatives of four of the victims of the 26/11 terrorist strikes, who had dual nationality of Israel and the US, have filed a lawsuit in a federal court in Brooklyn, New York, against the ISI and the Lashkar with the help of James Kreindler, the famous lawyer who helped the American victims of the Lockerbie terrorist attack sponsored by Libyan intelligence in obtaining compensation from Libya.

    In the Lockerbie incident in 1988, Libyan intelligence allegedly blew up a PanAm aircraft when it was flying over Scotland.

    Two of those who have filed the suit for the Mumbai attacks are reported to be related to the Jewish couple brutally killed by the Lashkar terrorists at the Chabad Jewish religious-cum-cultural centre in Mumbai.

    According to The Hindu, Kreindler said under the US anti-terrorism laws, the plaintiffs had the right to sue the defendants in the US.

    Unfortunately, the relatives of Indian victims cannot possibly make themselves parties to the suit filed in the US because they are not US citizens and their relatives were killed on Indian territory.

    The benefits under the US anti-terrorism laws will not be applicable to them and they may not be able to sue the ISI and the Lashkar in a US court.

    They should still explore the possibility of intervening in the case against Headley in a Chicago court and suing the US government and the FBI for not acting in time against Headley despite the warnings about his Lashkar connection from his wives.

    Legal action against the Governments of India and Maharashtra and the ISI in an Indian court should also be pursued.

    Even if the cases do not succeed, it could have a deterrent effect. India's anti-terrorism laws should be studied by public-spirited lawyers and necessary changes proposed in order to make them victim-friendly as the laws in the US are.
     
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    Just for info, how many dossiers have been exchanged so far?
     
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    exchange of dossiers are irrelevant. In order to deal with dogs you need to have a stick. When everyday there are bombs and explosion in pakistan and our toothless RAW will be blamed for those why not actually do one. One that kills at least one or two of masterminds. We can tell it to international Media that its creator that got killed by its own invention. day we start to target masterminds instead of pawns game itself will finish.
     
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    Thats a strategy but there is a risk. The decision making guys in our own country may be afraid that such a strategy will have a severe backlash on them. If they target the terror masterminds, the terror masterminds would target them. In short, they will risk their lives with such a strategy. So they find the present conditions more convenient.
     
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    If you are referring to politicians almost all of them have z category security and they still fear for their life then should take sanyas . There may be a few collateral damage but we should be prepared for them .Once we start dealing with them in aggressive manner they will all run away like dogs.
     
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    Not just politicians, but intelligence, military and babu top brass may get targetted. The dynasty has already suffered some blows, so they may not want to take such risks...
     
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    They will roam free if the way things are going, goes.

    Mossad may do the necessary, given that the Rabii has filed a case in the US that hold the ISI, amongst others, responsible.
     
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    The real justice for the Mumbai terror attack victims is packed in the nose tip of cruise missile lying somewhere in an indian military base hankering for release and retribution.
     
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    Atleast token gestures like hanging Kasab were expected in the immediate aftermath, but even there the Govt has dissappointed. Its truly disgusting.....
     
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    If someone Joins RAW and Army thinking its a royal job without any risks he is a fool and shouldn't do that . These jobs require sacrifice and thats why moment someone says he is from army or other defence related organization we respect them . No one forced them to join these organization and once they joined it they should follow the orders.

    Regarding Dynasty suffering due to this . No one forced them to serve the nation. They already have more than enough money in Swiss bank accounts .They should leave the country and someone else will take responsibility to lead the country.
     
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    These politicians & bureaucrats suck big time. For right price they ( some journalists, consultancies [nira], ministers ) might broker release of kasab.

    Hopefully we will have the last laughs.
     
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    Ideally, you are right. But things are not ideal. I am just trying to give their perception.

    So, its the people who must force all these decision makers into taking some tough actions. But the congress win of loksabha was interpretted that indian public do not care about terrorism. 'Terrorism is not even an issue', that seems to be the prevalent view among the movers and shakers of power.
     
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    It is not as if they are poor. I mean if these guys were very poor, then their corruption is understandable and perhaps even be forgiven. But all these guys are so very rich, yet they indulge in scams and corruption even at the cost of nation. How much money does one family need? What will they do with so much money? I mean there is a limit to how much money a person can enjoy...!! All these people do is earn the moolah and store it in swiss bank, what fun is there in it?

    Lets assume, I am a corrupt politician. Then I will think this way," If I get 20Cr, then I wont bother about any corruption." Thats it, I will 'earn' my 20Cr, then I will serve my nation. But these politicians 'earn' about 500-5000Cr, yet they still indulge in corruption...!! There is no end to their greed.
     
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    Honstly speaking I dunno how congress came into power are 26/11 fiasco. whether it was public or EVM I dont know but definitely their victory in Lok sabha election made them feel that Terrorism is non issue . Given the corruption we are facing these days corruption is main issue now and next election will revolve around corruption not about terrorism. I am disappointed with NDA as well because they delivered very little when it comes to terrorism.
     
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    Pakistani military and religious extremist alliance will never weaken the anti India terror infrastructure they have created since Pakistan's creation, they have put in immense work and now have a significant part of the population indoctrinated to such a degree that they will never run out of human resources.

    As we speak many Pakistan based muslim charities are collecting funds from UK, US, Middle East and the rest of the world while channeling a lot of that money directly to sponsor their wars against India, while the weird combination ruling over Pakistan (Military, ISI and the religious extremists in charge of defence, foreign policy and economics) have India has a one point agenda and the reason for their existence, Musharraf would not have a swanky flat in London had it not been for the big Indian enemy he so despises.

    To even imagine that talks will achieve anything with these medieval barbarians is an insult to reason and logic.

    It seems to me that when we think that Kashmir is the only demand they have, we forget that these religious extremists are here to stay and we will have to fight them and their religious extremism irrespective of any solutions we reach in Kashmir.

    There should be a well documented release of their complete network around the world and someone will have to start hitting them back, its a war and we have to start fighting it like a war, all the government release on how they will talk to Pakistan if they get away from the terrorist infra seems naive, the Pakistani government, military, religious institutions, intelligence services are knee deep in anti-India terrorism.

    We could also keep ignoring them as the bomb attacks seem to have to real difference on this immense ocean of humanity that is India, i think that is what the current government strategy is, just to keep it in the news enough to let people forget about these things and continue with their lives, while they try to cure the symptoms instead of the disease.
     
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    They will never runout of volunteers who are ready to become a suicide bombers . But each organization, army or rebellion needs a leader to succeed .Not everyone can become a leader . Thats why I support killing top brass. once top brass is scared to shit then entire organization will be scared. Thats the policy we should use against terrorists and Maoists as well. Kill the brain body will automatically fall.
     
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    Now on terrorism we can learn a lot from US & it's legal system to deal with terrorist & terrorism. US has recently set up a Russian arms agent & arrested him in Bangkok.Reason is in US every citizens' life matters whereas in India it is reverse the case.Indian politician are so shameless in en cashing the every opportunity arisen from a national tragedy or embarrassment. These Indian politicians are like poison ivy which sucks juices of the stem which supports it. Indian citizens' life do not matter as their votes has no value because whomsoever they elect can be bought right away , so who cares for the voters? what matter is who is elected and can be bought.

    So at the end money matter not the life of citizen and this drives the corruption.

    These spineless politicians can not fight the terrorism as they do not have Pride for their Nation, Honesty to service the country & most important devotion to sacrifice for the betterment of the country & its' citizen.

    We all should feel ashamed & responsible as the Justice has not been done to the victimes of 26/11. It is a national shame.
     
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    Very true, we need to cut their HEAD in to pieces. Like Israel we must target the top leaders of extremist organization & induce the wave of fear in them. The strong resolve has to be shown now against the terror & it's Masterminds.
     

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