2012 US Presidential Elections

Who would you vote for, if you were a US citizen ?


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how is that important ? he can screw as many women as he likes unless he's raping them!

i have noticed this trend in usa....little skin if frowned upon but at the same time you can gun down by the dozens on tv.


Blame it on US Republican Party's hypocritical sense of decency... Reminds you of how true blood Republican Gingrich hounded Clinton to impeachment for his alleged affairs while maintaining his own affairs! And how Republicans staunchly oppose gun control laws (guns kill thousands every year) while they feast on abortion rights! :pound:
 
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Lifelong Democrat Leader Leaves Party to Support Ron Paul (12-3-11)

Lifelong Democrat Leader Leaves Party to Support Ron Paul (12-3-11)

 
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"Banned" Commercial: Ron Paul 2012 (Unofficial)

"Banned" Commercial: Ron Paul 2012 (Unofficial)

Not sure if this is 'banned' or not, but it's a nice ad:

 
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Judge Andrew Paolo Napolitano is not related to Janet Napolitano, W.J.Clinton's Attorney-General. He mispronounces "Belknap" New Hampshire. The k is silent.
 

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Well Herman Cain is out... :D

Gingrich on Cain’s exit: ‘This has been a very difficult time’ - Election 2012 - The Washington Post

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. — Less than half an hour after Herman Cain announced that he was suspending his campaign for the GOP presidential nomination amid allegations of sexual harassment and a 13-year affair, the man who potentially stands to gain the most from the exit of the former Godfather's Pizza CEO heaped praise on his former rival.

At a town hall and book-signing event organized by the Staten Island Tea Party, former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R) told about 600 supporters here that "this has been a very difficult time" for Cain and his family.

"We're delighted to have him as a friend. ... All of us wish him well," Gingrich said.

He praised Cain for talking about "big" ideas such as his "9-9-9" tax plan and said he "really appreciated" what Cain brought to the presidential race.

"I think he deserves credit for having the courage to talk about big ideas and focus on the economy," Gingrich said of Cain.

Cain's decision to suspend his campaign, announced Saturday afternoon at a highly-anticipated event in Atlanta, could not have come at a better time for Gingrich.
Well he bows out. Maybe he can go back to his women (I would have chosen them over possible Presidency too :D) as well as rapping about Uzbeki-beki-beki-stan :lol:
 

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Herman Cain is out, good riddance I guess. And now if the other crazies like Newt Gringich and Bachmannbow out we might have a sensible debate among Republicans

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/us/politics/herman-cain-suspends-his-presidential-campaign.html
I never use NY times now... maybe last year but now they charge to see all of their articles after you hit a limit. Seriously - the most circulated newspaper (in the US) charging for web content :tsk:

Even Indian media is largely free online :D
 

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Question to the Candidates

Question to the Candidates ...
... on latent threats to the USA.


 
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"Why don't they put you on a diet? You're a little over weight!"

"Why don't they put you on a diet? You're a little over weight!"

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Rachel Maddow exposes Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich

Rachel Maddow exposes Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich

Source: Rachel Maddow Show

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>>> we are coming to you live tonight from the campus of ball state university in muncie, indiana. i was here to do an event earlier tonight with the great david letterman. we've had a great time. people have been awesome. muncie, indiana, is located right here. that's about an hour outside the capital of indiana. the city of indianapolis. if you drive about an hour north from here and slightly to the west, you will hit a town called marion, indiana. in the early 1990s, marion, indiana, was home to a big manufacturing plant owned by an office supply company called sem. that plant made paper produc products. 250 sem plant workers left their jobs for the july 4th weekend in 1993 and when they returned after the july 4th holiday weekend they found a notice at the plant informing them they had all been fired. on the spot. sem had been taken over by another company and they had all lost their jobs. that american economic tragedy was the basis for a series of what are some of the most devastating political ads ever run by a democrat against a republican. those plant workers in marion, indiana, were fired after mitt romney's firm, bane capital, help eed take over sem in 1993. a year later mitt romney decided to challenge ted kennedy for his u.s. senate seat in massachusetts. here's how ted kennedy ran against mitt romney that year.


>> mitt romney's ads claim he created jobs. what's the record? romney's firm bought a company called sem, fired all 350 workers are, told some they cowe could reapply at a 27% pay cut. many pregnant or older -- mitt romney, he's misled us twice, with negative ads distorting senator kennedy's record and the faulty claims about his own.


>> i worked there 30 years and i never dreamed that i'd lose my job.


>> mitt romney says he helped create 10,000 jobs. the former workers at sem in marion, indiana, stay something else.


>> if he's created jobs, i wish he could create some here. you know, instead of taking them waway away.


>> on sunday we were watching television and saw a commercial with mitt romney in it saying he was all for health care benefits and helping the middle class people get their jobs and i was just stunned because here we are, he has no job, we have no health care benefits and this mitt romney is trying to tell people that that's what he's all for and he's the one responsible for us not having any.


>> i would like to say to mitt romney, if you think you'd make such a good senator, come out here to marion, indiana, and see what your company has done to these people.


>> we had no rights anymore.


>> they cut the wages.


>> we no longer had insurance.


>> basically cut our throats.


>> i'd like to say to the people of massachusetts that if you think it can't happen to you, think again. because we thought it wouldn't happen here, either.


>> mitt romney lost that election and he lost badly after taking an early lead in that race against ted kennedy, mr. romney ended up losing by 17 points. if mitt romney becomes the republican nominee for president this year, i think you will probably hear that story from indiana and others like it again. as he travels around the country making the argument he's uniquely qualified for the presidency on the basis of his private sector experience, i think he can expect democrats to point out mitt romney's private sector success may have been very good for mitt romney but it really wasn't all that fogood for the regular people he threw out of work, whose americans jobs he shipped overseas. real people in real places like marion, indiana. mitt romney is not yet the nominee. he contends with newt gingrich to get the republican nomination, you're already seeing a variation of the 1994 indiana critique of mr. romney, except this time it's using 21st century language. this ad just started airing in iowa from the liberal group, moveon.org. incidentally, i have to say, i'd be surprised if lefty groups like moveon.org start running ads right now against newt gingrich because i think we're seeing more and more signs all the time that the left really wants newt gingrich to beat mitt romney because they really like the idea of obama running against gingrich. we're not seeing a lot of lefty ads against newt gingrich right now. but this is the anti- mitt romney ad moveon has just released.


>> according to the publisher of new hampshire's "union leader" which republican candidate represents the 1%? hint. he calls himself unemployed. while making plans to quadruple the size of his $12 million beach house. he thinks corporations are people. as head of a multimillion dollar firm, he shipped good american jobs overseas and cut thousands more. he's mitt romney. or as voters are starting to call him, mr. 1%.


>> moveon.org. political action is responsible for the content of this advertisement.


>> when you hear the line about cutting thousands of american jobs, think marion, indiana, right? interestingly, what moveon was referencing at the top of the ad was a critique of mitt romney from the conservative newspaper "the union leader" which andrea mitchell mentioned moments ago. the critique of mr. 1% is a critique of romney coming not just from the left but from the right.


>> gingrich is going to have a better time in the general election than mitt romney. i think it's going to be obama's 99% versus the 1% and romney sort of represents the 1%.


>> now, to be fair, "the union leader" has never really liked mitt romney. they basically ate him for lunch when he ran for president in 2008. it's not weird "the union leader" in new hampshire isn't endorsing mitt romney right now. what's weird is their criticism is they don't like mitt romney because he's mr. 1% and so they're supporting newt gingrich instead. that's amazing in part because newt gingrich is also a multimillionaire and in part because of the hilariously unsavory ways in which newt gingrich has made some of his money. i was a historian for freddie mac, but anybody else who took money off freddie mac should go to prison. mostly this is an amazing turn of events in the campaign because the whole translation of the 99%ers' idea into electoral politics is supposed to be that if you're running for office right now, you ought to have something to offer people who are not being served in this economy. people who are not making it because of the way our economy is structured. the way our political system is structured. even the frank luntz talking points for republican governors this week reported by yahoo! news, these were talking points for how republicans ought to talk about occupy wall street and the whole 99%ers concept. even frank luntz in his republican talking points generating machine had this as advice for republicans right now. quote, the three most important words you can say to an occupy are are, i get it. i get it. i get it. so even if you're not planning to do anything about the plight of the 99%, at least say, i get it. at least try to make it seem like you care. here's newt gingrich's version of "i get it" when it comes to the poor.


>> newt gingrich has long fancied himself one of the republican party's biggest new idea guys. his latest big idea, putting poor kids to work as janitors in their own schools.


>> they'd be dramatically less expensive than unionized janitors. and you'd begin to reestablish the dignity of work and in very poor neighborhoods you have to literally reestablish the dignity of work.


>> okay. now, this should be seen in part as bait. this sort of thing is usually designed to be deliberately provocative, to make liberals outraged. right? that's the way conservative politicians like to make themselves seem tough in front of conservative audiences. the conservative strategy of demonizing and dumping on poor people, attacking them for being lazy and mooching off the system and not understanding work, that's been a way for republican politicians to rally their conservative base and rile up liberals for a very long time. i mean, in 1976, when ronald reagan was campaigning for the presidency, he went around the country railing against welfare queens. people getting rich off welfare benefits, driving cadillacs, living in mansions with swimming pools because of welfare. the fact the welfare queens didn't seem to exist did not matter as much as the fact that conservativative audiences loved this idea. liberals, of course, were enraged by it. that was almost as valuable. republicans employed the eat the poor strategy for a long time to great political effect. newt gingrich, himself, has been doing this for a very long time.


>> in 1994, gingrich suggested that the government ship welfare children to orphanages and then even said first lady hillary clinton ought to rent the classic old movie " boys town," with spencer tracy and mickey rooney, to see how an orphanage is run.


>> newt gingrich's suggestion was that the children of welfare recipients should be taken away from them and shipped to orphan orphana orphanages. why do you say something like that in politics? do you think that's an actual policy that you plan on spinning out and implementing across the country? or is this just being provocative for political sake? this is a deliberate strategy. it's a strategy to bait liberals and to seem unpc and tough to conservatives. it's why last month newt gingrich proposed the 9-year-olds should be janitors and why gingrich is doubling down on the janitors idea in front of conservative audiences whenever he can.


>> we should contemplate very seriously that the poorest children in the poorest neighborhoods ought to actually have part-time jobs in the schools they have to go to. the trap, gingrich wants to trap the poor as janitors. then i was told janitors do really dangerous, hard work. well, the master janitor probably aught to do the dangerous, hard work, but i will tell you personally, i believe the kids could mop the floor and clean out the bathroom and get paid for it and it would be okay.


>> yay, the republican oaudience loves it and simultaneously cue the liberal outrage. we need that, too. notice how he puts that in there, light? i was promptly attacked. badge of honor. eat the poor strategy is the same thing behind newt gingrich's delicate language around the occupy wall street movement itself, right now.


>> all the occupy movement starts with the premise that we owe them everything. reassert something as simple as saying to them, go get a job right after you take a bath.


>> take a bath, that's hysterical. yay. cue the liberal outrage. newt gingrich and a certain extent the entire republican primary field is operating under an m.o. in which kicking the poor works. this is so great for republican audiences. it's not only an applause line. it's a laugh line. the problem is that they are operating under that strategy at the same time that even republican operatives are trying to warn them that this year in this economy, this is a bad idea. the ads against mitt romney featuring the indiana workers, those ads worked in 1994. the 99% thing didn't exist yet as a concept. how does mitt romney, how does newt gingrich think those types of ads are going to play now?


>> i'd like to say to the people of massachusetts that if you think it can't happen to you, think again. because we thought it wouldn't happen here, either. tdd# <d type ="phone" value="1-800-345-2550">1-800-345-2550
 
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I was watching the BBC show moderated by Christiane Amanpour.

It appears that the things are yet to hot up.
 

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I was watching the BBC show moderated by Christiane Amanpour.

It appears that the things are yet to hot up.
It is picking up. Just wait. As the primaries get nearer, more murkier things will come up.
 

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The ad was in poor taste and it may boomerang?

What is the opinion of those in the US?
 

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The ad was in poor taste and it may boomerang?

What is the opinion of those in the US?
Not sure about the entire US, but here is what I heard from people in:
  • New York State
  • North Carolina State
  • Massachusetts State
"Obama has done the best he could."
"Obama lied all throughout."
"Ron Paul is the lesser of all the evils, but I won't vote for him."
"Vote for Ron Paul if you want to save the country."
"I don't think I support Ron Paul but there are some among us who support him." [one occupy Wall Street protester]
"Whoever it is, it has to be a Republican at the White House."
"Who is Ron Paul?" [year old comment]

I never really asked anyone anything specific about the ad.
 
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Does it mean that Obama has no hope in hell?
 

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Does it mean that Obama has no hope in hell?
He does have hope, especially if the Republicans prop up someone like Herman Cain. Well, Cain is gone now, but there are a few like him still running. In any event, Obama still has some support and it is too early to say. Two factors will be crucial: (1) the Republican candidate and (2) economy in the months preceding the elections.
 

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The number jobs have gone up.

But they say it is because it is the holiday season and so there are many taken on as casual workers.
 

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The number jobs have gone up.

But they say it is because it is the holiday season and so there are many taken on as casual workers.
That's true and moreover, there is a lot of activism on how veterans, especially the disabled ones, are facing after being discharged from service. That lobby could gather momentum.
 
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