1st NATO attack on country that didn't attack them!

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  1. jakojako777

    jakojako777 Senior Member Senior Member

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    "Injustice anywhere is threat to justice everywhere...
    Whatever affects one directly,
    affects all indirectly."


    MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAHyxCyZEjc


    There are plenty of videos on Kosovo(Serbia) but this one is short enough and present situation today rather than entering in analyzing period of conflict.

    If you have any questions feel free to ask

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  3. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    While it wasn't genocide persay, it would have been an injustice to allow the forced removal of an entire ethnicity. Serbia never thought about how it would affect neighbouring countries to have millions of refugees flooding the rest of Europe.
     
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    WHY you using word "genocide" at all?!?
    Red Cross didn't find more than 4000 dead in Kosovo (including Serbs!)after the war after all the bombings and combat that took place there!
    So there was NO genocide in Serbia !
    Just like there was NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq !


    That 4000 dead was very far from "hundreds of thousands" that would criminals like Blair say on TV! And much less than some USA Senators or Bill Clinton (financed by Albanians!) would claim!

    They were all screaming about GENOCIDE!
    But where is that "genocide" ?!
    Where are the dead bodies?
    Would Red Cross (EVEN CIA!) give false numbers?
    I don't think so! But than they got what they wanted so afterward they would come out with rubbish comment like yours " forced removal of an entire ethnicity"!

    The problem is that forced removal of an entire ethnicity was orchestrated by
    Albanians themselves!
    Those refugees were staged as great media event to trigger bombings!
    TV cameras were there to film everything to influence public opinion!

    There were NO REFUGEES before at all!!
    They were well informed about immediate bombings so they told to their population to LEAVE be cause they can get killed by NATO bombs if they don't!

    Even so there were few incidents where some Albanian civilians were taken for Serbs and killed by NATO bombs!

    How could Albanians have their schools universities and their language in OFFICIAL use EVERYWHERE before the war and they were majority EVERYWHERE even in police and justice and all politicians in Kosovo territory yet you present them as innocent victims !?!

    If anybody was discriminated that were Serbs be cause minority not opposite!

    Do you have Arab language as official language in Marseilles?
    NO !
    Schools & University in Arab there?
    NO!
    Can people look for the job without speaking French at all?
    NO !
    Is Marseilles Muslim, Arab territory? Is that Algeria ?
    NO!

    So why France doesn't give some city to Muslims as their own or why USA doesn't give Florida to Latinos they are 90% MAJORITY just like Albanians?

    You took 15% of Serbia and gave to Muslims only be cause they multiply like rabbits!


    You are all hypocrites and try to label Serbia as "genocidal" for only defending her territory when you do not even give the same rights to your minority!

    HYPOCRITES !

    From bottom of my heart I pray that Muslims take over France & UK as soon as possible cause you don't deserve better!

    What right did you have as 30 NATO countries(HEROICALLY!) attack tiny Serbia and occupy our territory!

    WHY is nobody bombing France to "defend" Muslims who do riots and burn the cars?!

    HYPOCRITE !

    WHY is nobody taking France's territory and give to the Muslims ? They are total MAJORITY in Marseilles so why not ?

    HYPOCRITE !


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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    I said it wasn't a genocide. No one in France is killing thousands of Muslims to make them leave. Do you just come here to troll the forums and pick a fight?
     
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    On the NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia
    Noam Chomsky interviewed by Danilo Mandic
    RTS Online, April 25, 2006
    NOAM CHOMSKY, world-renowned linguist, political analyst, philosopher and activist, has been called "arguably the most important intellectual alive" by the New York Times. Recently, in a British magazine poll, he has been voted by a landslide as the top public intellectual in the world today. According to the Arts and Humanities Citation Index, between 1980 and 1992 Chomsky was cited as a source more often than any other living scholar, and remains the eighth most cited scholar ever. A professor at MIT, he is the author of more than 80 books, including The New Military Humanism: Lessons From Kosovo. His most recent book is Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy.


    Noam Chomsky About Serbia, Kosovo, Yugoslavia and NATO War 1 to 3
    there are another 4 parts but you can watch them on youtube


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhg...D51A9A60E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYw8J3mpbzo&feature=PlayList&p=BBCAFA5D51A9A60E&index=8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AapFe-C6tB4&feature=PlayList&p=BBCAFA5D51A9A60E&index=9

    [mod]Jako, please don't use image tags for youtube videos otherwise it screwsup the page format. You just paste the link of youtube, that will suffice. Thanks[/mod]
     
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    Jako I am not really aware of the whole situation which led to the intervention of the NATO and the subsequent bombings.

    But could you shed some light on this case whteher the Kosovo thing was a fall out from the Bosnian affair. I always felt that during the Bosnian crisis NATO did not interfere but during the Kososvo affair they had to act in face of public pressure.

    Edit: I just remembered that at one point the KLA were considered a terrorist organisation by the US and later the same we used by the US in the fight against the Serbs.
     
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    I always felt that during the Bosnian crisis NATO did not interfere
    Yes man they did bombed Serbes and even lost 2 planes (USA F-16 I think and French 1 Super Etendard) to good old 1961 SAM-s

    They have used UAV's and have bombed some Serb radars in Croatia which helped Croats due to huge USA intell reports to know EVERYTHING about
    Serb positions!

    The problem is that media didn't report events so much (proof is that you know nothing about it)

    So it is simple!
    If media doesn't report event, that event "doesn't exist" !!

    But could you shed some light on this case whteher the Kosovo thing was a fall out from the Bosnian affair

    The main point is that they WANTED to destroy Yugoslavia (please watch the video from Chomsky I promise he is not boring and it will explain better than I do!
    And on top of it he is American - therefore can't be accused to defend Serb interests ( like me lol ! :))




    Kosovo affair they had to act in face of public pressure.


    Wrong be cause it was OPPOSITE !
    They wanted to bomb Yugoslavia (Serbia) they have staged stories of "massacres" and "genocide" all over ALL world channels just to win public oppinon and have green light from to 1st time in history NATO ATTACK on
    SOVEREIGN COUNTRY which was just preparation for Iraq Afghanistan etc.(Iran?)
    So it is special operation of psychological war planned to influence oppinion of the world!

    Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, and all other politicians were screaming about hundres of thousands of DEAD Albanians in mass graves and "genocide" of Muslims
    to PRESENT THEMSELVES THIS TIME AS DEFENDERS OF MUSLIMS and prepare 2nd war against Saddam Hussein (war against Muslims!)
    But that information was FALSE just like weapons of mass destruction!

    PLEASE watch 1st the video you'll learn plenty from that man-Chomsky he is very intelligent guy !

    Than come back and ask I'll be glad to answer


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    Stolen Kosovo
    (banned documentary) - part 1/6

    This excellent documentary was banned in Czech Republic by Czech TV, and most probably in all mainstream globalist media in western countries. It will reveal to you the horrifying story of Kosovo that nobody ever wanted to tell you, and debunking all hoaxes, lies and propaganda NATO used for trigger events, it will reveal how people live in ghettoes in 21st century, how ancient European heritage and culture is vanishing in the first ethnocide and genocide in the new millennium. It will reveal the disaster of people from different side, and how dirty are the hands of the west in all Balcan tragedies and conflicts, it reveals the real face of globalism, a MUST-SEE!
    1st part


    HERE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6C18Jb-Dg
     
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    jakojako777 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Here there is mention of use of UAV'- drones in war in Bosnia in some recent article in Russian Pravda


    The issue of the drone safety appeared for the first time during the middle of the 1990s, during the military operation in Bosnia




    http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/21-12-2009/111275-drones-0



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    Here this article talks about bombing Serbs in BOSNIA unfortunatly reading full artile must be paid!
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    Article: CLINTON DEFENDS NATO BOMBING OF BOSNIAN SERBS.(MAIN)


    Byline: CHARLES J. LEWIS Bureau chief, Times Union Washington bureau

    HONOLULU President Clinton on Thursday opened a four-day commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the end of World War II by defending U.S. military intervention in Bosnia, saying it is needed to ``deliver a message loud and clear'' to Bosnian Serbs.

    As we celebrate the courage and determination of the World War II generation, Clinton said, ``our thoughts and prayers must also be with the men and women of our armed forces who are putting their bravery and their professionalism on the line in Bosnia.''

    Clinton's remarks were the most extensive explanation he has given for...


    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-156840156.html
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    jakojako777 Senior Member Senior Member

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    HERE SOB I have few links for you
    It is much better than to listen to my explanations
    These are ALL NON Yugoslav/Serb articles so they should be more or less objective!
    They are not Reuters,Times and and other sources of USA & NATO propaganda neither.....


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    As early as 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade and funds supplied from Islamic countries and individuals, including Osama bin Laden. This did not stop the United States from arming and training KLA members in Albania and in the summer of 1998 sending them back into Kosovo to assassinate Serbian mayors, ambush Serbian policemen and intimidate hesitant Kosovo Albanians. The aim was to destabilize Kosovo and overthrow Serbian strongman Slobodan Milosevic.

    CRG -- The CIA met Bin Laden while undergoing treatment at an American Hospital last July in Dubai

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    KLA sites of systematic torture and killings were based throughout Kosovo and also in parts of Albania. For example Kukes and Burrel in Albania were used by the KLA with regards to military training, obtaining weapons, and for other factors. This in itself raises the role of Albania and NATO nations which took part in the bombing of the former Yugoslavia.

    Kosovo and Systematic Persecution by KLA
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    CIA Aided Kosovo Guerrilla Army All Along

    American intelligence agents have admitted they helped to train the Kosovo Liberation Army before NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia. The disclosure angered some European diplomats, who said this had undermined moves for a political solution to the conflict between Serbs and Albanians


    CIA Aided Kosovo Guerrilla Army All Along

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    ...The financing of the Kosovo guerilla war poses critical questions and it sorely test claims of an "ethical" foreign policy. Should the West back a guerrilla army that appears to partly financed by organized crime?

    - Drugs Money Linked to the Kosovo Rebels (The Times, London, March 24, 1999)



    (4/9/99) Kosovo "Freedom Fighters" Financed by Drug Money, CIA

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    Mercenaries IN KOSOVO: The U.S. connection to the KLA - includes related article comparing United States foreign policy in Central America and Kosovo

    Mercenaries IN KOSOVO: The U.S. connection to the KLA - includes related article comparing United States foreign policy in Central America and Kosovo | Progressive, The | Find Articles at BNET

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    Now the (London) 'Sunday Times' has confirmed our charges. The OSCE Verification Mission in Kosovo was indeed a phony, a cover for the CIA to set up liaison with the KLA and spy on Yugoslavia. Walker was indeed creating another death squad operation, just as he did in El Salvador.

    The Cat is Out of the Bag

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    Mercenaries IN KOSOVO: The U.S. connection to the KLA.

    Mercenaries IN KOSOVO: The U.S. connection to the KLA. - Free Online Library
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    Bin Laden, Iran,and the KLA
    How Islamic Terrorism Took Root in Albania
    September 19, 2001

    On 4 May 1999, the Washington Times reported, citing new reports from US intelligence and Jane’s Defense Review, that the town of Tropoje, Albania was a"common staging area" for Bin Laden’s and the KLA’s forces, and thus "a center for Islamic terrorists." US intelligence also acknowledged that Bin Ladin’s al-Qaeda had "both trained and financially supported" the Albanians, and that the Kosovo border had been infiltrated by Bosnian, Chechen and Afghan mujaheedin, in "…crossings (which) originated in neighboring Albania and, according to the reports, included parties of up to 50 men." The Jane’s report added that "…documents found last year on the body of a KLA member showed that he had escorted several volunteers into Kosovo, including more than a dozen Saudi Arabians. Each volunteer carried a passport identifying him as a Macedonian Albanian."

    Bin Laden, Iran, and the KLA
     
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    I understand some of the points that you are making.

    It was my understanding that at one point of time it became the unofficial policy to oust Milosevic ( sorry if the spelling is wrong) with whatever means was possible.

    Also remember people in the US and Europe did not care sh.t about OBL and AQ till 911 happened.
     
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    at one point of time it became the unofficial policy to oust Milosevic


    Milosevic is just name to hide real objective( to destroy Yugoslavia &have military base there ) just like Saddam was just name to hide real objective ( get Iraqi oil & have military base )


    people in the US and Europe did not care sh.t about OBL and AQ till 911 happened


    Even so people still didn't know (censorship in media)that USA was directly helping with weapons and training KLA and they had links with OBL and AQ

    so it was basically the same situation like in Afghanistan training and arming Jihad people to take down Yugoslav regime and install USA influence through them

    they had let OBL and AQ in Bosnia (they were flown from Afghanistan by USA planes) and even they let in Iranian weapons to get in to be used against Serbs

    The same was in Kosovo AQ was there cooperating with KLA and CIA

    I have even seen documentary that 911 investigation was leading to Pakistani ISI that were paying directly some of the 911 terrorist !
    of course all that is top secret and can't be investigated or get any further info
    one Pakistani general head of ISI was in USA to meat Joe Biden and was not arrested even though they admit that ISI was involved without giving details..

    Question is where in all that CIA business terrorism stops...

    Afghanistan is No. 1 world producer of Heroin
    Kosovo is No. 1 distributor of Heroin in Europe
    both are controlled by USA......
     
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    I didn't join here to make a fight :), just to correct sob.
    Yes, NATO interfered in Bosnia crisis, but as Jako said no one know 'cause western medias put only one side of story.

    INAT: Images of Serbia and the Kosovo Conflict

    Scott Taylor, Esprit de Corps Books, Ottawa, Canada. ISBN 1895896

    [​IMG]INAT is a Serbian word that means ‘regardless of the consequences’. To the author - a former Canadian soldier, journalist and military analyst - this word best describes the character of the Serbian people. Inat is what has compelled the Serbian people to resist the Ottoman Empire, challenge the Austro-Hungarian Empire and refuse to capitulate to Nazi Germany’s invasion and occupation. "In every one of these David vs. Goliath struggles, the Serbian people have endured horrible suffering without losing their will to resist." They will need it all the more as they stand in the way of Clinton and Blair’s New World Order.
    The author was one of the few western journalists to report on the situation within Belgrade during last year’s NATO bombardment of that city. Taylor’s interest in the Balkans began in 1992 when Canadian troops first took part in ‘peacekeeping’ forces in the region.
    Canadian soldiers soon learned that no side in the bitter conflict had a monopoly of righteousness or guilt. All sides from time-to time were guilty of terrorist acts and atrocities against one another’s civilian population. Clinton and Blair had laid down the line that the Yugoslavian civil war was a simple High Noon struggle between good guys (Croats and Muslims) and bad guys (Serbs).
    The Canadians on the ground knew that things there were not so simple. In September 1993, troops from the Second Battalion Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry protecting a Serbian enclave known as the Medak Pocket came under heavy fire from Croat forces. Thirty-five Croatian troops were killed and four Canadians wounded in the firefight. The Serb inhabitants of four villages were massacred by Croatian troops before they withdrew from the area. The Croatian general in charge of this offensive was Agim Ceku. This same man was to take command of the KLA in February 1999. The Canadians could do little but gather evidence for war crimes tribunals. Interestingly, the general public in Canada did not know the story of this military action for another three years until the Ottawa Citizen newspaper broke it.
    Canadian soldiers were taken prisoner by Croatian forces in 1995 when General Ceku drove out 250,000 Serb civilians from the Krajina area amidst widespread slaughter and destruction. This terror campaign – helped by covert US ‘advisors’ - received little coverage in the North American media, although the fate of the Muslim enclave of Srebrenica, besieged by Serbian troops just three weeks’ earlier had received saturation coverage. As Howard Michitsch, a former Canadian infantry major put it, "it’s no a case of believing in a justifiable revenge philosophy such as ‘two wrongs make a right or ‘an eye for an eye’. But if the press only tells one side of the story, it distorts the equation, and precludes any rational comprehension. We step onto a slippery slope when people start drafting far-reaching policies and solutions based on such incomplete information." This book attempts to redress the balance. As Taylor drolly observes, "Apparently, what distinguishes NATO’s killing and maiming of innocents from Serbian war crimes is that NATO acts in the name of humanity."
    Taylor gives a useful history of the conflict up to the outbreak of NATO’s airborne attacks in March 1999. In a series of appendices he includes a map of the KLA’s vision of a greater Albania, a list of the main players and events in Kosovo 1986 and a comprehensive index. The main part of the book is a compilation of the author’s contemporary diary of events and first-hand findings. He covers events as they unfolded. Inat is a great counterbalance to the hysterical lies and distortions of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Madeleine Albright, Robin Cook and the obnoxious NATO spin-doctor, Jamie Shea. We’re well used to media distortions here in Ulster, so this book is a must for Ulster-nationalists who are rightly concerned about the power of the media monopolies.
     
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    Great quote. I'm going to make this my signature.
     
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    Thanks for the update and information. This was known to everybody that all the sides were to blame one way or the other. But it was probably IMO bad public relations exercise by the Serbian Leaders that led them to be cast in the role of the villain.
     
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    we have always bad PR agency, for serbian people the best ever PR is Novak Djokovic :cool2:
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    US and it's money laundering front the CIA can create an evil out of anyone; that's their bread and butter, the whole Yugoslavia/Serbia fiasco and then creating Islamic states in EU - to further their strangle hold on East Europe and hence Russia is a well known fact.

    This was shortsightedness on CIA's part as to give Bill Clinton administration a quick solution to gain stooge vassal states in Europe; however, Arabs (and the oil money) has already penetrated Alabania and Kosovo - soon Albanians and Kosovars will bit the white man's ass in EU and NA with the usual Islamic traits!

    Wait and watch, give Albania and Kosovo - 10-20 years and Europe will have its very own Afghanistan in Balkans! Just wait and watch! And guess who will be natural ally of NATO - any guesses? Yes, Serbia! Blunders of Bill Clinton administration in EU and Africa will take ages to rectify! Arm-chair left liberals at their best!
     
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    First when there is UN why there is NATO ?

    If UN cant resolve issue UN Force must be pressed into action also US clutch over UN must be removed this can be achieved if INDIA Russia and China stand firm behind UN
     
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    You have UN resolution 1244 about Kosovo, but no one give a crap about it. UN became only advisory organization.
    I am out of word for this announcement. " Drews said that live ammunition was used exclusively by those who confronted KFOR"

    And this one :
    Kosovska Mitrovica, September 28, 2011, (Njuz) – KFOR Mission Command expressed regrets and apologized for the noise generated by KFOR troops during the self-defense shooting at Serbs who fled the barricades at the Jarinje crossing.
    KFOR said that the soldiers did their best to shoot as little as possible so as not to upset the local Albanian population, but the Serbs were running zigzag, so it was hard to aim.
    - Well, in the beginning we used the rubber bullets, but because of the aerodynamics and the way Serbs were running, we quickly realized that these bullets are not meant for shooting at greater distances. So, in order to end the shooting as soon as possible, we switched to live ammunition – declared a KFOR spokesman Kai Gudenoge.
    KFOR Mission Command also confirmed that it wasn’t the shooting that caused the biggest noise, but it was a homemade bomb that Serbs have thrown at KFOR soldiers while they were switching to live ammunition.
    According to Gudenoge, KFOR soldiers were extremely threatened by fast and weird zigzag running of the Serbs.
    - Our soldiers were forced to protect their vision by stopping the targets, so we can say that it was a clear example of self-defense – said Gudenoge.
    He also noted that already today local Albanians will receive the ear plugs and headphone muffs with special sound insulation, so their ears can be protected adequately during future self-defending actions that KFOR will be carrying out in the days to come.




    On Kosovo still lives over 125.000 Serbs.
     
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    I'll be free to post a part of Resolution 1244 UN,

    " 9. Decides that the responsibilities of the international security
    presence (EULEX and KFOR / NATO) to be deployed and acting in Kosovo will include:

    (a) Deterring renewed hostilities, maintaining and where necessary
    enforcing a ceasefire, and ensuring the withdrawal and preventing the return
    into Kosovo of Federal and Republic military, police and paramilitary forces,
    except as provided in point 6 of annex 2; (meaning occupation)

    (b) Demilitarizing the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) and other armed Kosovo
    Albanian groups as required in paragraph 15 below; (KLA only changed name to ROSU)....

    10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
    international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in
    Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the
    people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of
    Yugoslavia
    , and which will provide transitional administration while
    establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic selfgoverning
    institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for
    all inhabitants of Kosovo; "

    So, what can I say? we are fooled with promises that we will join EU.

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