1987: India Missed!!!

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  1. rockey 71

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    Ex-Indian general says army had plotted coupe against Rajiv in 1987
    October 4, 2015 9:45 am
    New Age Online

    A retired senior officer of Indian army has claimed that there was a plot of coup d’etat to topple Rajiv Gandhi’s government in 1987.
    Indian army is considered most loyal to the country’s political leadership and has no record of coup d’etat in its 68 years of independence.
    Lieutenant General PN Hoon, a former army commander of the western command of Indian army, made the claim in his just-released book, ‘The Untold Truth’, reports Times of India.
    He has also claimed that three crack para-commando battalions including one from the western command, were told to move for action in Delhi.
    Hoon has alleged that the then army chief General Krishnaswami Sundarji and Lieutenant General SF Rodrigues, the vice chief of Army, who went on to become army chief were involved in the plot.
    Hoon hints that the plan for a coup was hatched at the behest of certain very senior politicians who did not share cordial relations with Rajiv. He says that at his farewell function in 1987 hosted by the then Punjab governor Siddharth Shankar Ray in Chandigarh, Giani Zail Singh had blamed Rajiv Gandhi of corruption and negligence. Singh also said Rajiv was unconcerned about the 1984 anti-Sikh riots.
    Hoon has claimed that as chief of the western command in May-June 1987, he was in Delhi on official work when he received a message that a letter had been received at command headquarters from army HQ seeking three para-commando battalions and the battalions were ordered to be placed under Rodrigues.
    Hoon said he immediately briefed Rajiv and his principal secretary Gopi Arora about the development and showed them the letter demanding special forces and explained to them how dangerous this move could be, not only for the country, but also for our political system. He claims to have ordered the Delhi area commander, which is under the Western Command, not to move any troops without his permission.
    Hoon said that one minister in Rajiv’s cabinet, VC Shukla, was aware about the possibility of army action. In chapter-10 titled ‘Giani Zail Singh vs Rajiv Gandhi’ he said Shukla specially came down to Chandimandir to meet him.
    Hoon, however, concluded that Zail Singh did not take any action against Rajiv’s government fearing that it would lead to transfer of power from a democratically elected government to the armed forces.


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  3. rockey 71

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    Indians missed! India missed! SA missed! If Sundarji had taken over in '87 entire SA would have been under military rule. Military men, unlike politicians, are sincere and honorable. With the degree of trust among the ruling generals of SA, our issues would have been solved to give us peace and prospects of prosperity.
     
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    Indians will choose a corrupt political leadership over an honest "general" on any day. Those who shot at the unarmed protestors in Jalianwala were the soldiers of the "Indian Army". It was the Indian Police which arrested, tortured and killed many freedom fighters.

    Indian Army as an institution will loose the support of Indians it it ever tries to undermine the political leadership. Indian Army enjoys support and respect from the people of India as long as it serves the people of India and takes command from peoples' representatives.
     
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    This is bureaucratic mischief. Every time bureaucrats find politicians bearing too hard down on them, they ask their MoD colleagues to create troop-movement chaos to make it appear to the political class as if there's a military coup brewing up. They then themselves mount a kind of "bureaucratic coup" over the politicians. The most recent instance of this was when the so-called "Swiss Group" freaked out UPA-2.
     
  6. Srinivas_K

    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    There is no chance for a coup in India !!!

    Democracy has strong roots and it will remain so.
     
  7. jackprince

    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    Even if a coup is to happen, it will fail miserably since 2/3rds of the Army will be against it. Unlike Pakistan, India has a strong democratic foundation and the people who serve on the uniform come from the society and families with an ambition to protect that democracy. Most imooratntly rhe ripe time for coup was during the 2nd UPA as people were thoroughly disgusted and it did not happen.

    Doe multi-dimensional place like India, a dictator styled rule is never going to succeed.

    Btw, this article is a hogwash. I guess this Hoon chap is trying to sell his books and citing an incident so far back, with little to prove or refute his claim, since all is supposed to be hush hush, he is trying to get his 2 minutes of fame. Also the fuy is close to 86 years of age and must have retired at least 2 dozens of years ago. Then what is the reason he speaks of something like that now, and also what are evidences he is presenting?

    Also, Sundarji was a highly reapected CoAS, and if he really wanted, given Rajiv's unpopularity, would he have failed to pull of the coup just because theee para battallions did not move?

    Further, was it the case, would Gen. S F Rodrigues have been later made the CoAS?

    Another attempt perhaps to make the current GoI be nervous of Army?
     
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    Military has no role in running a country ... Let them do what they are good at defending country from enemy...

    It was good that their supposedly coup have failed... I have great respect for Gen Sunderjee ... It was Gen Sunderjee who took a bold decision to cross Chinese border in 1987 without the knowledge of Rajiv then PM... Chinese were then needling India in Arunachal Pradesh [ NEFA] ... Rajiv would not have given any such permission ...

    Gen Sunderjee is a very honest Military man but he would have brought chaos within India with coup if at all that were to be believed .... not easy to rule with iron hand...
     
  9. rockey 71

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    I believe Indians missed it several times. Thimayya. Sundraji and lastly V K Singh.
     
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    in your dreams buddy.

    In 1987 we had a paranoid PM who was facing a slew of corruption charges and his administration was stuck in quicksand. His finance minister was in open rebellion and in Rashtrapati Bhavan the President Zail Singh was openly discussing ways to remove him as the PM.

    In this background this bogey of a military coup was floated and the rumours were in full swing that General Sundari was moving towards a coup with men from the northern Command. Rajiv Gandhi added fuel to the fire by asking for men to be shifted from Meerut Cantonment to Delhi to thwart such a move. However in the end it was exposed just as a rumour and nothing more. A desperate ploy from a politician to stay in power.
     
  11. sabari

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    India has not seen any crises which need military leadership to solve if or when needed army should take responsibility and peaple will support.but army should also be ready to return peaple writes after end of crises .eg two front war against india
     
  12. punjab47

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    Was Giani Zail Singh Planning to topple Rajiv Gandhi Govt in 1987?

    New Delhi: In a revelation that has brought the political era of 80s back into the limelight, Lt General PN Hoon, a former Army commander of the prestigious Western Command in his recently released book 'The Untold Truth' has divulged that a plot was hatched to topple Rajiv Gandhi government in 1987.

    As per a Times of India report, Hoon has revealed that three crack para-commando battalions including one from the Western Command, were asked to move Delhi to take over the government.

    The octogenarian Lt General has claimed that the former Army chief and vice chief General Krishnaswami Sundarji and Lt Gen SF Rodrigues were part of the action plan.

    He has also shared in his book that some senior politicians who had to settle old scores with Rajiv Gandhi were behind the plan.

    Hoon has also stated that during his farewell function, hosted by the ex-Punjab governor in Siddharth Shankar Ray in Chandigarh, former president Giani Zail Singh had held Rajiv responsible for corruption and negligence and also stated that the ex-PM was not bothered about the 1984 anti-Sikh riots, states TOI report.

    The report further quotes excerpts from Hoon's book, which claim that as chief of the Western Command in May-June 1987 he had received a message that a letter had been received at command headquarters from army HQ seeking three para-commando battalions. The battalions included the First-Para Commando, which was under the Western Command, and the 9th and 10th Para Commando which were under the Northern and Southern Commands.

    These three battalions were ordered to be placed under Rodrigues. He said he immediately briefed Rajiv and his principal secretary Gopi Arora about the development and showed them the letter demanding special forces.

    VC Shukla, who a cabinet minister in Congress-led government, was aware of this possible army action, the ex-Army official has stated in his book.

    Hoon has also revealed that Zail Singh, out of his fear that the action against the government could transfer the power to the armed forces, didn't pursue the plan further. Randhir Singh – a retired air marshal – disagrees with Hoon, saying there's never been any attempt at military coup. “In India, a coup by the armed forces is not possible because of the kind of legacy training they have inherited,” the 94-year-old said.

    KS Pathak, a retired colonel of India’s special forces, said that there may have been mobilisation of the troops in Delhi but it was for ‘other’ reasons. At the time, there was unrest in New Delhi, especially after the Sikh massacre and some other problems, he said. “Mobilization could have been for the state, not to destabilise the democratically elected government,” said Pathak who was deployed in the special forces under the Cabinet Secretariat in 1987

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    http://www.kashmirreader.com/in-198...e-a-fourth-war-with-pakistan-retired-general/

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    Srinagar: In 1987, Indian army carried out Operation Brasstacks, ostensibly a military exercise but in reality preparations for a war against Pakistan, former commander-in-chief of the army’s Western Command Lt Gen. PN Hoon said on Saturday at the launch of his book, The Untold Truth.
    “I have written about operations I have been part of and no one else knows about till today,” Hindustan Times quoted Hoon as saying.
    In the chapter 9 of the book, the author has written that the Indian army began moving to the western border carrying live ammunition and the citizens were told that it was an exercise.
    “Brasstacks was no military exercise, it was a plan to build up a situation for a fourth war with Pakistan. And what is even more shocking is that then prime minister Rajiv Gandhi, was not aware of these plans of a war.”
    The author said that it was General Sundarji’s (the then chief of army staff) and minister of state for defence Arun Singh’s plan to provoke Pakistan “into launching an offensive in Kashmir”.
    “… an attack on Kashmir would be an attack on India and in the garb of the exercise that India was already conducting, India would go into a full-fledged war with Pakistan,” reads the chapter.
    Lt Gen Hoon said that it was during a dinner party on January 15, 1987, (Army Day) that Gandhi came to know about the exercise.
    “Rajiv Gandhi asked me, ‘How is the western front?’ To this I replied, ‘Mr Prime Minister, sir, The western army is in fine fettle and very soon I shall be past our battle stations and will give you Sindh on one side and Lahore (Pakistan) on the other,” Hoon said.
    “Rajiv was totally aghast and visibly angered. He left the party immediately. The PM did not want to go into a war. Hence, on January 20, Sundarji, pleaded me to stop moving forward,”he added.
    When asked as to why Arun Singh and Sundarji would want a war while keeping the PM in the dark, Lt Gen Hoon said: “It was a power game. Sundarji wanted to become a Field Marshal and Arun Singh wanted to become the Prime Minister.”



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    This guy has gone crazy!!!
     
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    But what stopped him? Any details or pure gossip!
     
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    VIP Ultra Nationalist Senior Member

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    It just sounds more gossip than any factual situation to me. Indian army has values & roots which has accepted democracy wholeheartedly. These ideology is inherited by every general. I don't believe in this delusion.
     
  16. The enlightened

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    @rockey 71 has seen what shithole his country became due to multiple Army interventions, along with the shithole his original country has become due to a strong military grip over affairs since coup-1 and hence his clamouring to see India face the same fate.
     

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