197 Light Utility Helicopter Deal

Which is the Best Solution for Indian Army`s ULH requirement ?


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Do they expect Dhruv to act as an LUH? It is really a medium helicopter.
 

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Dies ant American chopper fit the bill for FMS? I mean something better than the Dhruv?
 

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US offer Bell 407 Its inferior to Dhruv even Chatan ..

Service ceiling: 18,690 ft (5,698 m)

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Regarding Max Service ceiling and Payload to that Height, I think there is no other to Compete Dhruv in this World..

unbeatable Dhruv Record >> 27,500 feet (8,400 m) ASL in Siachen with 600kg Payload.
 

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So replace all Cheetahs and Chetaks in IA and IAF service with ALHs?


It makes some sense.



But I highly doubt couruption is the reason behind this entire procurement.


The Indian forces have a seperate requirement for such a platform. If it was down to corruption then HAL wouldn't be devloping their own LUH- babus can make 0 off indigenious devlopment. HAL is responding to an open requirement of the IA/IAF and is responding with the LUH.
That is not true.

Babus, DRDO and PSU make a fast buck on so called indegenious product such as Dhruv. It has 80 per cent foreign parts which are required to be imported. So what is the difference between importing a hellicopter or 80 per cent of it in parts ?

So indigeniousness at what prices and to whoes benefit?

It is ultimately should be for the benefit of the Forces who should get better equipment to defend this country.
 

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That is not true.. ;)

Babus and MOD make a fast buck on so call RFI product such as VVIP choppers and many before, RFI business involve corrupts and bribery so does middleman who make money and give force inferior system at double price and kill domestic reliance, As long no domestic player in sight India will always buy military hardware from foreign and Always feed the corruptions in India..

So all these Import at what price and What benefit in long run ?

It is ultimately should be for the benefit of the Forces who should get better equipment to defend this country.

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LoL, It take me few mins to break the nonsense of 80% foreign parts In today`s date, BS Spread by Paid Media..


Fuselage : Made In India



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Avionics : Made in India Under Licensed



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Engine : Made in India




In terms of number of components involved, around 90 percent of the components are made in India.
90 percent of Components for HAL Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv Sourced Internally | India Defence

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At lot reduce cost, Home made Equipment which can be modified at request unlike foreign stuff, High performance compare to any helo in same catagory.. :)
 

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Oh those beuatiful Zigmos which are well photoshoped have all imported parts screwdriven by PSUs....

And who imports those parts?

And what is the big difference in importing parts or the whole ? You seem to have forgotten the Tatra story.... import Rs 30 00 parts for Rs 1 00 000 and then make profit on that too.

Parasites I would say..
 

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@Kunal Biswas, regarding sourcing of Indian components what would be interesting to note would be the import component as a percentage of cost and not numbers.
Of course with the engine being sourced locally the cost does come down.
 
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That is not true.

Babus, DRDO and PSU make a fast buck on so called indegenious product such as Dhruv. It has 80 per cent foreign parts which are required to be imported. So what is the difference between importing a hellicopter or 80 per cent of it in parts ?

So indigeniousness at what prices and to whoes benefit?

It is ultimately should be for the benefit of the Forces who should get better equipment to defend this country.

That is not true.. ;)

Babus and MOD make a fast buck on so call RFI product such as VVIP choppers and many before, RFI business involve corrupts and bribery so does middleman who make money and give force inferior system at double price and kill domestic reliance, As long no domestic player in sight India will always buy military hardware from foreign and Always feed the corruptions in India..

So all these Import at what price and What benefit in long run ?

It is ultimately should be for the benefit of the Forces who should get better equipment to defend this country.

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LoL, It take me few mins to break the nonsense of 80% foreign parts In today`s date, BS Spread by Paid Media..


Fuselage : Made In India



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Avionics : Made in India Under Licensed



============================

Engine : Made in India






90 percent of Components for HAL Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv Sourced Internally | India Defence

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At lot reduce cost, Home made Equipment which can be modified at request unlike foreign stuff, High performance compare to any helo in same catagory.. :)

Oh those beuatiful Zigmos which are well photoshoped have all imported parts screwdriven by PSUs....

And who imports those parts?

And what is the big difference in importing parts or the whole ? You seem to have forgotten the Tatra story.... import Rs 30 00 parts for Rs 1 00 000 and then make profit on that too.

Parasites I would say..
India is not China

TATRA trucks were not Indian

Busted .. :rofl:

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Tatra as a truck were hardly maufature in BEML rather they were secound hand imports sold with Double the cost..

Nice to compare a Indian Design and Made In India stuff with BEML second hand imported..
 

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What is Important that we have this Superior platform and that is even made in India with more than 90% Indian components, Operational in IA and IA the user is highly impressed and use it in all kind of work, It is obvious we mass produce them instead looking and buying inferior costly foreign Helos which dont come even half the capability of Dhruv...

More and More Indian companies coming forward in making parts of Dhruv and soon or latter, the 10% Imported stuff will be 10% home made giving Dhruv 100% Indian designed & 100% Indian Made with Indian raw material..


@Kunal Biswas, regarding sourcing of Indian components what would be interesting to note would be the import component as a percentage of cost and not numbers.Of course with the engine being sourced locally the cost does come down.
 
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What is Important that we have this Superior platform and that is even made in India with more than 90% Indian components, Operational in IA and IA the user is highly impressed and use it in all kind of work, It is obvious we mass produce them instead looking and buying inferior costly foreign Helos which dont come even half the capability of Dhruv...

More and More Indian companies coming forward in making parts of Dhruv and soon or latter, the 10% Imported stuff will be 10% home made giving Dhruv 100% Indian designed & 100% Indian Made with Indian raw material..
@Kunal Biswas, you are correct but for some components the volumes will not be justified for their manufacturing to shift to India. But then generally these are critical but not politically sensitive items. HAL has learned this lesson long back that for 100% components they cannot re invent the wheel. DRDO needs to learn this lesson immediately.
 
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Kunal has conveniently forgotten the Tatra story and what goes on in assembling by PSUs..
 

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@ Kunal Biswas Sir any idea what happened to Hal LUH (Light Helicopter)....IS it progressing , where we r stuck.....will it have any foreign parts like Dhruv....Speaking of Agusta Westland we also can adopt their route on how they have converted / developed their A109 into AW119....What i mean is produce a single engine LUH version DHRUV
 

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@sob

Unbeatable Dhruv Record >> 27,500 feet (8,400 m) ASL in Siachen

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HAL Chetan >> 25,150 feet
HAL Cheetah >> 17,715 feet
HAL Chetak >> 10,500 feet

Foreign competitors >

Eurocopter AS350 >> 15,100 feet
Kamov Ka-226 >> 20,300 feet

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Dhruv is safe coz of two engine it has higher payload and higher service ceiling, It is operational Afaik 114 of them in Army aviation already..

Chetan is refurbished old helicopter chetak both are single engine and not safe, foreign competitor are not even close to Domestic helos in terms of performance, Chetan and all other should be simply replace by ALH and reduce complication and ease the logistics, IA have better ALH leave no space for other it is the most capable helicopter alone, there is no need for ULH in Indian Army..
U have got ur facts right but what is stopping Armed force to place more Dhruv orders , Will LUH with Indian Private company partnership fit the bill ? Instead of going for expensive foreign duds which have proven to have lame after sales records

HAL has to pls wake up & work of nation cause now putting their idoitic ego in backseat:frusty:. If terrorists can get united for their cause why not PSU & DRDO?
 
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If terrorists can get united for their cause why not PSU & DRDO?


Good one.

Because terrorists have a cause where as in this case goverment employemnt without responsibility is the only cause for being there.

Secondly, the fight is for the share of the "Uppar Ka Mal" .. who likes to share ?

That is the layman's understanding.....
 

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IMHO, There is no need for a ULH platform when you have more powerful platform preforming same or better in performance..

Presently Dhruv use 10% or less, Minor foreign parts it will reduce when build under license, LUH will follow the same Suit..

@ Kunal Biswas Sir any idea what happened to Hal LUH (Light Helicopter)....IS it progressing , where we r stuck.....will it have any foreign parts like Dhruv....Speaking of Agusta Westland we also can adopt their route on how they have converted / developed their A109 into AW119....What i mean is produce a single engine LUH version DHRUV
 

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Why we should call HAL ALH Dhruv ?, Why not Reliance ALH Dhruv or Mahindra ALH Dhruv ?

It is time to realize that we need more Dhruvs and replace all other Light helo with this proven platform & make more production line with Pvt corp..

HAL has to pls wake up & work of nation cause now putting their idoitic ego in backseat:frusty:.
 

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@Kunal

What is the rate of production of Dhruv ?

In How many years will HAL be able to supply 187 required beside meeting demand of Dhruv already ordered ?

Supose it takes seven yaers. So what happens till those seven years ? Wait under a banan tree !

Are Dhruv designed to be ULH ? What is mission statement of Dhruv ?

Are Dhruv available for the price of ULH and have same running / maintainance cost?

Do you take the work of a Maruti from a TATA truck ? Will that be economical?

Is the mission more important for a military plateform or its manufacturer _ the HAL ?

Your loyalties are phenomenonal !
 
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